Mandarin speaking people sucks!!!
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and she was quick to say she is not an elite.Originally posted by Marco_Simone:She will say the same thing about mats and Indian ah bengs if she come across them.
In her world view,she will think:"ENGLAND is the most powerful,other languages are spoken by lowly life forms..."
i would have found her comments more acceptable if she were one!!!
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I felt the pride of being a Cantonese abroad.Originally posted by udontknowme:they need to go out and see the world...
then perhaps they will realize how impt it is to know their own mother tongue well...
and by going out to see the world, i dont mean going on tours and staying in 5 star hotels and such
stay and live as the common locals do...
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well our identity is that of immigrants who were desperate in their own countries. our identity sucks so dont be so proud of it.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Singlish isn't low class at all. It is our identity, a product of post-colonial resistance. Mai sng sng ah... -
The author of that letter is an elitist, a relative of Ms Wee.
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i agree with you on this.Originally posted by 798:there is something i feel our education sys or modern days screw up the use of language. whoever coming wif wif the rojak shogun 'Hua Yu Cool!' (noticed the mixture of chinese n english) need to be shot!
nowaday mandarin songs is like 60% in chinese words whereas 40% mixture of hip-hop english lyrics.
for ABC singers like wang lihong n jay chou wrote songs wif mixture of lyrics will send wrong messages to fools dat make them believe dat is cool. ?
it's no wonder why the writer has dat kinda impression of these kids today. but i feel she is wrong making dat assume dat all chinese speaking pple are ah bengs/lians.
you hardly find an english song with chinese phrases.
listen to those songs by pan wei bo. knn, it sucksss!!! -
Fine, that's your own opinion. Did you know that most defenders of Singlish against government efforts to stamp it out; are the English-educated Singaporeans who have travelled widely abroad?Originally posted by Cenarious:well our identity is that of immigrants who were desperate in their own countries. our identity sucks so dont be so proud of it.
Singlish forms a bond between Singaporeans, something that is not quantifiable. If Creole is accepted by West Indians as a basic form of intra-cultural communication and they do possess the ability to code-switch, mind you; why can't we see beyond the state-led psychological campaign to paint it as irrelevant and primitive?
What we should promote is the ability to code-switch. You can never remove Singlish from the Singaporean pathos, because it is a melting pot of all the cultures that were here in the beginning, and the patois and pasar malay, pasar tamil definitely has had a role to play in the long-forgotten birth of this patois. -
are you saying your identity sucks because you are an immigrant?Originally posted by Cenarious:well our identity is that of immigrants who were desperate in their own countries. our identity sucks so dont be so proud of it. -
is Elitists really so de elite ? Its like rich ang moh that drive BMW or Mercedes there but only can drive Waja in Malaysia..
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the american speaks loudly and noisy especially the blacks...Originally posted by LazerLordz:I would have to say that although it is not fair to lump all mandarin-speaking Chinese into a single noisy category, such situations do exist.
Let's just call it the Ah Beng and Ah Lian phenomenon.
Having said that, it's not exclusive to them either, because you will see some Malay youths blasting their music too.
I've not seen English-educated chaps doing so on the trains though.But these are my personal observations. -
actually many office working environment are very mandarin speaking, as an engineer, i need to converse a lot to my clients in english.
here's a tip on how to make ur client smile,
most people speak english as a facade, if they treat u inside the "circle of trust" they will speak mandarin already.
during discussions, just said something in mandarin, sure to make everyone smile and an effective ice-breaking method. (thats if ur listeners are chinese too)
besides, mandarin is the language which is hardest to learn and more refined language in the world, 5000 years of history and culture can't be wrong. Go Chinese cities like Taipei,HK,Beijing etc observe the eloquence of the language.
Chinese languages are a really beautiful language, be it official ones or dialects.
Although i am a Singaporean, english educated and grew up in english speaking family. I am definately proud to be a Chinese and i would never do anything to degrade Chinese langauge or culture.
p.s. my mandarin is only good in singapore because everyone speaks crappy mandarin in singapore, when i go cities like beijing, i became i dumb-mute person so ashame of myself being not able to speak proper chinese.
sigh...years of PAP's regime of trying to make SG bi-linguel, but we are neither here nor there...
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dont anyhow generalize thanksOriginally posted by play_n_play:the american speaks loudly and noisy especially the blacks... -
come to think of it, it is all the fault of our govt.
look at the ministers.
how many of them can speak chinese properly?
how many could be bothered?
they gave singaporeans an impression that chinese is of little importance for 4 decades.
how can anyone in the right mind think that their own language and own skin is something to be ashamed of?
do these people really feel they belong when they mix around with ang mos and speak english?
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I agree. It makes us uniquely Singaporean in that sense.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Fine, that's your own opinion. Did you know that most defenders of Singlish against government efforts to stamp it out; are the English-educated Singaporeans who have travelled widely abroad?
Singlish forms a bond between Singaporeans, something that is not quantifiable. If Creole is accepted by West Indians as a basic form of intra-cultural communication and they do possess the ability to code-switch, mind you; why can't we see beyond the state-led psychological campaign to paint it as irrelevant and primitive?
What we should promote is the ability to code-switch. You can never remove Singlish from the Singaporean pathos, because it is a melting pot of all the cultures that were here in the beginning, and the patois and pasar malay, pasar tamil definitely has had a role to play in the long-forgotten birth of this patois.
Why should I speak to my friends with impeccable English, when it seems much more informal to speak to them in Singlish? -
hehe, see what I mean, the tar and brush hobby is so global.Originally posted by udontknowme:dont anyhow generalize thanks -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:
becos there's more mandarin speakin household in sg?
Ahem, no banana bashing here ah.
There's nothing wrong. It's the antisocial behavior that's the problem, just that the writer fails to see that. However, I'd put her in the JC age group, where she still lacks the ability to draw a fair, comparative estimate based on her observations.
If I were to stretch this a bit further, maybe it's plausible to link a lack of good social mannerisms and upbringing with the education level of their families, so there is a statistical chance that it would skew such behavior to more mandarin-speaking households.
Now this is just an estimate, so please do not flame me. You'd have to get a sociologis t to do a study on this. -
to make things worst, singaporeans are not even good at english.
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proportionately, yeah. So there might be a higher percentage too..Originally posted by shinta:becos there's more mandarin speakin household in sg?
but that's not the real issue here.. the real issue here is that this girl, is one mistaken fellow. -
precisely. english language CMI, chinese language CMI.Originally posted by dragg:to make things worst, singaporeans are not even good at english.
if we are countries like japan, korean, malaysia, at least they
japanese language can, english CMI
korean language can, english CMI
malay language can, english so-so
at least these people held their heads high, love their culture and language.
we singaporeans are just a copycat nation just trying to learn the most economically-strong language in the world.
wheres our REAL mother-tongue? GONE! banned in all govt-owned media. cantonese? huh? hokkien? huh? shanghainese? huh?
what left is just half-baked, disgraceful creole like unrecognised degrading , funny accented chinese, we singaporeans speak of... -
not just chinese, many cant even speak their own dialects.
knn, what stupid speak english champaign. the banning of dialect programs on tv should be lifted.
it is obviously not working. -
ang lixing is such an uncouth, vile name. ask this little tart to get an ENGLISH name first before she makes any claims about being part of the english-speaking ala "eat potato" clique
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another michael richards...sigh...Originally posted by play_n_play:the american speaks loudly and noisy especially the blacks... -
How you know?Originally posted by ditzy:The author of that letter is an elitist, a relative of Ms Wee.
Unless ... -
In response to the potato's article, I think he / she only saw how teenagers behave and it should never be any way connected to a language superority. Btw, the issue of language superority is outdated. If you talk about language superority with those into lingulistic, I think you are going to be a laughing stock.
x2.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Singlish isn't low class at all. It is our identity, a product of post-colonial resistance. Mai sng sng ah...
Singlish is cool. Cooler than English and Mandarin.
Singaporeans, don't you feel comfortable speaking with the "lah"s and "lor"s? Of course, Singlish isn't just not about "lah"s and "lor"s, it's the identity and uniquely Singaporean signature.
The "invention" of Singlish as a dialect shows the world the integration of the multi-racial society in Singapore. Any attempt to diminish it shall be seen as an attempt to undermine the unity of SIngapore's multi-racial society.
So we should speak proper English to those who wants us to speak proper English. When we are talking among Singaporean, Singlish, please. -
This seems to stem from the Chinese school of thought which advocates 'If I don't take, I lose out' and 'If others can do it, so can I, otherwise I lose out', among other factors.
where she hear this from one har? -
Yup this is also why our variety shows CMI because they cannot speak in their most natural language.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Fine, that's your own opinion. Did you know that most defenders of Singlish against government efforts to stamp it out; are the English-educated Singaporeans who have travelled widely abroad?
Singlish forms a bond between Singaporeans, something that is not quantifiable. If Creole is accepted by West Indians as a basic form of intra-cultural communication and they do possess the ability to code-switch, mind you; why can't we see beyond the state-led psychological campaign to paint it as irrelevant and primitive?
What we should promote is the ability to code-switch. You can never remove Singlish from the Singaporean pathos, because it is a melting pot of all the cultures that were here in the beginning, and the patois and pasar malay, pasar tamil definitely has had a role to play in the long-forgotten birth of this patois.