Falungong is not a cult
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That's the greatest joke of the century.Originally posted by no more:Falungong has nothing of such evils. It preaches goodness.
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Still the same thing I am not here to preach or try to convert other people to my belief. It is not my intention for this thread.Originally posted by fymk:Well it has been interesting discussing this with you. No offence meant but alot of things just don't stick logically together. I hope u will find ur own truth out of everything said.
My beliefs asides. I do not tolerate gross human right violations done by the Chinese Communists. I just feel that people should know about such atrocities like trading live human organs is happening in China. I hope I can dispel any misunderstandings that people have towards Falungong. Even if I cant, I just hope most people would not hate Falungong. -
talk to my hand, looney o chapOriginally posted by no more:Nope. I had never pay a single cent before. I being encouraged to learn and be rational.
What you have described are real characterisitics of cults. Fortunately none are present in Falungong. -
Originally posted by fymk:
maybe i can make him an offer he cant refuse, i'll take a bank loan, buy over his stupid cult and take over from there. i smell a profit...i wonder why carl icahn hasn't made his move yet.
" Hongzhi bought a house in New York shortly after arriving in US for $293,500 and then bought another home in New Jersey for $580,000 the next year. Together the two residences cost $873,000.00 reports The Independent of London.
Given the substantial rise in real estate values across the United States and particularly in the New York/New Jersey area, it is probable that HongzhiÂ’s homes may have doubled in value.
This means Li Hongzhi has likely become a millionaire.
Not bad for a former army musician and clerical worker, who seems to have done much better marketing religion than making music.
The British newspaper did not disclose if the homes were paid for in cash or financed through mortgages.
But even if the Falun Gong leader borrowed money, considering the timing and appreciation of his investments he is a wealthy man."
[b] You call that humble living? It's like GCT 's wife calling a lot of money " peanuts ". I don't mind having this "humble living" and having "peanuts" as my salary . I must be impoverished in my condition. Please note that the news came from western media . I took careful steps to ensure that the media is not CCP- controlled so that our dear nomore can't say it is propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party .
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Hi nomore. Tell us when you plan to martyr yourself together with your fellow believers on Tiananmen square. I will personally go cheer you guys on!!!
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So now you saying it is ok that your master li rich, when just now you say he is not. Now you saying it is ok.Originally posted by no more:Maybe I use Maths to better illustrate the picture. There is at least 100mil Falungong member in China so say the communists. There is actually more if you consider it internationally. By for simplicity sake, let use communist figures.
(the following is not true but only a mathimatical stimulation)
If Master Li makes $1 for every book, he has $100mil
If he make $0.10 for every book he will has $10mil
Fact one, royalty per book is always bigger than $0.10
Fact two, Master Li wrote more than one book.
With such readership, any profit motivated person becomes rich. Falungong books are priced so cheaply that anti-Falungong propaganda books are more expensive.
There is nothing wrong making money from a bestseller. people want to pay for a best seller. If Jesus is alive he will be rich because the bible is the number one best seller in the world. It would be unfair to accuse jesus of money-grabbing. People read the bible because they want to learn the good taught by him.
Shame on you, just twisting your words to suit yourself ! So the damn teaching of Falungong is twist the what ever truth to suit yourself !!!
By the way is Jesus is alive, he will not be rich because of the bible, he be rich because he did the world a favour and send you and your master Li to hell !!!
The rich gain is not money rich, but peace on earth , short of 2 idiots worms ! -
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz still not finished yet?? wah.....
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Coz this is a damn hilarious topicOriginally posted by I-like-flings(m):zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz still not finished yet?? wah.....
I still like the Time Magazine interview I posted -
Please read the thread carefully. I think you had misinterpreted it. I am saying that Master Li had never being profit motivated thats all.Originally posted by storywolf:So now you saying it is ok that your master li rich, when just now you say he is not. Now you saying it is ok.
Shame on you, just twisting your words to suit yourself ! So the damn teaching of Falungong is twist the what ever truth to suit yourself !!!
By the way is Jesus is alive, he will not be rich because of the bible, he be rich because he did the world a favour and send you and your master Li to hell !!!
The rich gain is not money rich, but peace on earth , short of 2 idiots worms !
Try to limit your flaming to me. It has nothing to do with Master Li. Thank You. -
i still dont know what the hell is falungong and who li is
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Maybe another saga is brewing....
The "Falungong Saga" -
One more thing.
My favourite quote.
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig, you get dirty; and besides, the pig likes it."
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Well . Some of us don't misunderstand it. Some of us just don't understand it. Why Falungong must make such a big ruckus to the point of causing the funding of Chinese New Year for San Francisco's Chinese community to be cancelled?Originally posted by no more:Still the same thing I am not here to preach or try to convert other people to my belief. It is not my intention for this thread.
My beliefs asides. I do not tolerate gross human right violations done by the Chinese Communists. I just feel that people should know about such atrocities like trading live human organs is happening in China. I hope I can dispel any misunderstandings that people have towards Falungong. Even if I cant, I just hope most people would not hate Falungong.
Falungong is already political in the sense that it is trying to buy the world's pity about alleged human right crime against it . Well we all know China has human rights issues with main stream religions such as Christianity and Catholicism but there is prayers for those who are persecuted in China NOT POLITICAL DEMONSTRATIONS to go SLAM into people's faces.
Yet Falungong with all its infinite wisdom claim to be apolitical when it repeatedly highlights all alleged crimes committed against its practitioners as a POLITICAL REASON TO DETHRONE a political party i.e. " Overthrow the Communist party" - that was what I saw on a falungong's banner. Falungong also threatened to sue a person like Samuel Luo tries to speak up against their practice. It just doesn't make any sense to me if falungong claims to be apolitical.
As for the alleged human organs - I don't think it can be proven as true neither can it be proven as false. One thing I know logically is that Communist China doesn't even allow the western media to film anything inside the prisons , let alone take a tape out of China. How must I be expected to believe that the videos they show on the lawn are true especially when u need a big arse camera filming it and with security over human rights sensitivity such as China's - it is just not possible to smuggle in a video camera and smuggle out that same camera. The gullible may believe it but I certainly won't.
I am sorry but Africa deserves more pity than Falungong in terms of human rights violations and genocidal ideations of some of the african dictators. -
Falungong members have no respect for the laws of Singapore and should be banned.
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I am sorry but Africa deserves more pity than Falungong in terms of human rights violations and genocidal ideations of some of the african dictators. [/b][/quote]
Nothing to be sorry about it. It was nice talking with you. I am repeating the same thing over and over again- I am not here to convert preach or force my ideas down to other. I respect the freedom of beliefs. What I am trying to do is to highlight the present crisis in China and perhaps clear up some understanding about Falungong. Nothing else.
With regards to how these evidences can get out of China, it is because there are falungong sympathesiers and people still with a conscience working in concentration camps and military hospitals. There are still people who are willing to risk their life for justice. They somehow managed to get these evidences out.No matter how you try to cover up, things still get out to the public.
The following is totally unrelated but is what I feel judging from the replys from the threads. I know a lot of people now believe the whole world is filled with bad people but the truth is there are still good people around. Perhaps there is no need to always think on the bad side.
With regards to the samuel Lo incident etc. I am not sure and hence I abstain from commenting. Again sorry for the problem faced by your parents. Perhaps my fellow members have being over-zealous in trying to promote Falungong. No harm is intended despite the rudeness. It is just a case of trying to share what they feel is good to other people. However, this is not an excuse for their act. Hence i seek your understanding on this issue. -
That is not true. Falungong is legally registered in singapore. Whatever done is in respect of the Law.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Falungong members have no respect for the laws of Singapore and should be banned.
Of course, if you think that highlighting awareness of human right through peaceful methods is illegal in Singapore, I have nothing to say. Freedom of belief and speech and expression is a constitutional right for any country that want to be called a democracy. -
Orh, never mind, it's never too late to know that.Originally posted by no more:That is not true. Falungong is legally registered in singapore. Whatever done is in respect of the Law.
Of course, if you think that highlighting awareness of human right through peaceful methods is illegal in Singapore, I have nothing to say. Freedom of belief and speech and expression is a constitutional right for any country that want to be called a democracy. -
Matthew 12:33 NIV
Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.
Matthew 7:18 NIV
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Matthew 7:19 NIV
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 7:15 NIV
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mark 13:22 NIV
False christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.
Revelation 20:10 NIV
and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. -
You are right he has never being profit motivated !!! He is soul collecting movitated !!! Yep collecting all your damn soul for the devil so you all can join him in hell and burn forever !!!Originally posted by no more:Please read the thread carefully. I think you had misinterpreted it. I am saying that Master Li had never being profit motivated thats all.
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Nobody hate Falungong, and there is no misunderstandings here. The discussion here is on Falungong, your beliefs, nothing to do with human right or the Communists. You have not convinced anybody here that Falungong is a religion, or philosophy, so for the time being, cult appears to be a more suitable name.Originally posted by no more:Still the same thing I am not here to preach or try to convert other people to my belief. It is not my intention for this thread.
My beliefs asides. I do not tolerate gross human right violations done by the Chinese Communists. I just feel that people should know about such atrocities like trading live human organs is happening in China. I hope I can dispel any misunderstandings that people have towards Falungong. Even if I cant, I just hope most people would not hate Falungong.
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Not everyone is a christian.Originally posted by Skibi: -
I agree with you on this, that not everyone is a christian.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Not everyone is a christian. -
falungong is not just a religious cult or some form of self-improvement exercises...it has political ambitions as well. That's why the Chinese government is cracking down on it.
How the Chinese govern their nation is no concern of mine. But members of Falungong have defied the laws of Singapore and that's a fact. If you disagree with a law in a democratic society, you change it by petitioning the government or at the polls. Disobeying the laws of a country with a popularly elected legislature is not a democratic right. -
Originally posted by no more:
Just curious if FLG is not a religion, why are they always appearing on the worldwide religious news website?
1. Falungong had never being a religion. It has no religious ritual or any systems to be considered a religion. If is not a religion, how can it be considered a cult? Moreover, Falungong requires a high level of personal cultivation, which in other words, requires its practitioners to be morally upright.
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I think I need to explain the religion label once and for all. In Zhuan Falun, It had being stated clearly that we are not a religion. It just happen that everybody think that we are. Falungong disciples clearly know that we are never a religion and that is good enough already. It had not being my intention to insist upon others to believe this viewpoint. However cultivation or Xui lian is very similar to religion at least on a low level of understanding. hence the label stick.Originally posted by elindra:Just curious if FLG is not a religion, why are they always appearing on the worldwide religious news website?