Downsides of Down under
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I just give facts here,telling you another side of Aussie & New Zealand.
You draw conclusions.
u are most welcome to high light up-sides of Aussie&NZ in another
thread to have a balanced views.
Of course,SG is not perfect yet.Talk more lah.
All images from The Australian
1.8,000 teachers left Aussie in 2004/2005,(in 12 months )
Caption:Number of teachers leaving Aussiesaying money was a main factor
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source:The Australian
2.No free lunch in the world.Good welfares always come with high tax.
Cheap car/house,but how about disposable income and purchase power?
September 2006
AMP.NATSEM Report
The latest AMP.NATSEM report entitled Trends in Effective Marginal Tax Rates has been released.
A Media release for the 14th AMP.NATSEM report is also available.
glance of tax in aussie pdf file -
YAWN, tell me something I don't already know.
Each new post you make gets more and more BORING. -
Does it includes high peg?
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At least, over there you're taxed heavily for SOMETHING in return.
Here, we're taxed till we die - for NOTHING much in return....
I'd rather pay for something substantial than pay all my life and still have to worry when I'm old and sick.
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Hmm.
First thing, I've got the education departments of all Australian states except NSW as my clients. I do have job satisfaction data on schools across these states, and my data shows that while teachers in some schools do report low satisfaction, it's due to factors in specific schools, not the education system overall.
Also, I do know quite a few teachers who have gone overseas to teach. Most often, they've ended up in the Middle East, where private schools offer them five times their government salary. I dare say that if a Singaporean government employee was offered $300,000 to do his $60,000 job, he'd take off too.
Second, the tax article in the Australian refers to a figure that's nearly doubled from 4.8%, referring to 9.6% of the Australian population - hardly a majority by any measure. Also, you may not know this, but over the years the tax brackets have actually gotten wider, which means that you have to earn more to move into the next bracket.
What does this add up to? There are now more and more people getting into that top tax bracket, which itself is higher than it used to be. Is that really bad news?
What's it mean in real terms? In the past week I've spent coming to four grand on Christmas presents, with more to come over the next few days, but I'm not feeling any pinch whatsoever. Hell, about half that amount was paid by the Tax Office when I got my tax returns. -
Ged, what do you think of the attempt by WA to introduce outcome-based education?
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i am not sure this should be posted on Up sides of Aussie(not
yet created) or this thread.Dr Nelson decided to opt for the Super Hornet without a detailed study of alternative aircraft types such as the US air force's F-15 Eagle or the European Typhoon.
2.Amazing!No need to go for detail study and spend A$3,000,000,000
or good $3 billions tax payers hard earned money!!
More easy than Sg to spend $3 million.
3.Ten years gone and has not completed the much simpler M113 ACP upgrading -
No sure about you..... me born here more than 32yrs.... the most income tax i ever paid is $200+....... out of a yearly pay of $25K+.Originally posted by ShutterBug:At least, over there you're taxed heavily for SOMETHING in return.
Here, we're taxed till we die - for NOTHING much in return....
I'd rather pay for something substantial than pay all my life and still have to worry when I'm old and sick.
FARK...!
So tell me...... how Much tax have you been paying
10%... 20%... or above.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Australia still have a surplus. Why you care?
i am not sure this should be posted on Up sides of Aussie(not
yet created) or this thread.
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2.Amazing!No need to go for detail study and spend A$3,000,000,000
or good $3 billions tax payers hard earned money!!
More easy than Sg to spend $3 million.
3.Ten years gone and has not completed the much simpler M113 ACP upgrading[/b]
All government departments have to justify their spending to the Department of Finance and Administration. Defence is an essential item for the country - why not? If I am not wrong, all departments have to go through justification of spending cash and more than 100k , there is the Murray Motion which lets senators from opposition parties question their spending. Most spending is out on open books except for classified information like Defence.
At least one thing for sure - their pay is also regulated and has to go through Parliament. They can't give themselves a 1 million dollar salary per year . They get voted out pronto. -
Well, obviously I'm in a somewhat sensitive position here. I will say that it's a good idea as long as political agendas don't derail the key concept.Originally posted by iveco:Ged, what do you think of the attempt by WA to introduce outcome-based education? -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
*sigh*
i am not sure this should be posted on Up sides of Aussie(not
yet created) or this thread.
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2.Amazing!No need to go for detail study and spend A$3,000,000,000
or good $3 billions tax payers hard earned money!!
More easy than Sg to spend $3 million.
3.Ten years gone and has not completed the much simpler M113 ACP upgrading
How much is the CPF fund worth and where exactly is it invested?
You really think Singaporeans' money is safer in the hands of their government?
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Originally posted by hloc:
Hmm talking about tax, is it true that if u donate a sum to charity u will be exempt from tax. Can anione confirm.
No sure about you..... me born here more than 32yrs.... the most income tax i ever paid is $200+....... out of a yearly pay of $25K+.
So tell me...... how [b]Much tax have you been paying 10%... 20%... or above.
Me just like to know why you kena tax so much...... [/b] -
This reminds me of something .
I remember meeting 2 Singaporeans. One who was keen to go back and one who was not.
The keen Singaporean said that Singapore is where her family is , and she doesn't really fancy australian lifestyle . She did point out the bad things about Australia i.e. the drugs , the porno shops etc. However she did appreciate the good things about Australia and acknowledge there were alot of opportunities present.
Now the Singaporean who was not keen to go back , tried applying for Permanent residency because she was rattling about how bad Singapore was. She failed to obtain it. She had to pack up and leave by the expiry date on her visa. So suddenly, Australia became damn bad ....got the drugs ...got the porno ....got racism ...got this got that. Why? Because she just couldn't open the door in. So she went around telling every new Singaporean student she got to know in university how bad it was.
The TS reminds me of the second Singaporean. Or the situation could be worse - The TS has been living in Singapore and never bothered to live elsewhere which means the TS is passing judgements without proof and probably did not realise that there is such as thing as freedom of speech whereby the newspaper can publish anything bad about the government without getting sued. -
2.fymk means if one never been in Aussie and stay there forOriginally posted by fymk:This reminds me of something .
I remember meeting 2 Singaporeans. One who was keen to go back and one who was not. .......
The TS reminds me of the second Singaporean. Or the situation could be worse - The TS has been living in Singapore and never bothered to live elsewhere which means the TS is passing judgements without proof and probably did not realise that there is such as thing as freedom of speech whereby the newspaper can publish anything bad about the government without getting sued.
sometimes then cant pass judgement on Aussie??
I have never been there but i think i still can talk about Aussie.
3.No freedom of speech in Sg?How can Catherine Lim article can be published
in ST and she made this speech in government funded institution??
4.Besides freedom od speech,there are freedoms of
---not to be robbed/killed/molested/raped
---not to be drug addicted----ALMOST half of all Australians aged under 25 have used illicit drugs and view their use as acceptable.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
ROFL . I can say something and be listened to because I lived in the 3 main cities of Australia and one being the CAPITAL. I know Australia is not perfect. Illicit drugs pertain mostly to Marijuana . Even Bill Clinton tried it when he was young. I never touch the stuff but I know alot of my colleagues did in their younger days. They were just being young and experimenting with things they don't understand but they came out as responsible adults with families.
2.fymk means if one never been in Aussie and stay there for
sometimes then cant pass judgement on Aussie??
I have never been there but i think i still can talk about Aussie.
3.[b]No freedom of speech in Sg?How can Catherine Lim article can be published
in ST and she made this speech in government funded institution??
4.Besides freedom od speech,there are freedoms of
---not to be robbed/killed/molested/raped
---not to be drug addicted----ALMOST half of all Australians aged under 25 have used illicit drugs and view their use as acceptable.
......[/b]
You may think as with all rednecks that your opinion is correct . Yes I nearly got burgled but I had neighbours looking out for me. A snatch thief came and tried to grab my handback and a few guys went after him to catch him . I nearly got mugged but the homeless guy helped me by scaring the kids away. Crime happens everywhere . No country can be free of crime but at least I know if I am in trouble, there is always someone to help me even tho they might not be the police.
Don't talk so much . How about the poor china woman in Singapore who got stabbed a few times by a crazed man. Her stabbing was filmed with a phone while the person filming it was just standing by and doing nothing or even using that same phone to call the police. And better still - that person uploaded it to YouTube. Singapore has crime too but the best part - nobody helped her when it started except for one guy in a blue tshirt who saw her when she was bleeding profusesly came in courageously to help her. You can see all the rest just gawking as though it is one big show.
Freedom of Speech - here the australians can criticise the Australian Government freely. Who ever restricts them from discussing election issues online or offline or in the news during elections? There is no such thing as selected sites to voice your opinions. The australians voice it out loud about what they are not happy about EVERYWHERE during Elections. You have political parties talking about the negatives of other political parties' agenda or policies. I don't hear them getting sued. The media goes wild sometimes but we can evaluate both sides of the story.
When I read Singaporean newspaper - I think sometimes it is all too good to be true. Everyday in Australia you are bound to have some unhappy person publishing their thoughts and view in the news - the more negative the more it gets attention. Yet here in Forums , I hear of some forumers who wrote with poignant remarks to the ST but never got published at all.
And by the way , you don't have students in Australia who tell you to "get out of their elite uncaring face" and daddy who sits on the ivory tower defending her arrogance as well as insensitivity. That is a great way to kill off a political career in Australia. -
They also racits towards Singaporeans right?
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Well done, Fymk. The Valley of the sWAns is so much better, ay?
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One may talk a lot about a place, but it takes having lived in that place to have a value-added commentary and realistic opinions as opposed to reactions to Op-Ed pieces and government-controlled press articles.
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wah i no face 2 say i m singaporean liao...Originally posted by fymk:ROFL . I can say something and be listened to because I lived in the 3 main cities of Australia and one being the CAPITAL. I know Australia is not perfect. Illicit drugs pertain mostly to Marijuana . Even Bill Clinton tried it when he was young. I never touch the stuff but I know alot of my colleagues did in their younger days. They were just being young and experimenting with things they don't understand but they came out as responsible adults with families.
You may think as with all rednecks that your opinion is correct . Yes I nearly got burgled but I had neighbours looking out for me. A snatch thief came and tried to grab my handback and a few guys went after him to catch him . I nearly got mugged but the homeless guy helped me by scaring the kids away. Crime happens everywhere . No country can be free of crime but at least I know if I am in trouble, there is always someone to help me even tho they might not be the police.
Don't talk so much . How about the poor china woman in Singapore who got stabbed a few times by a crazed man. Her stabbing was filmed with a phone while the person filming it was just standing by and doing nothing or even using that same phone to call the police. And better still - that person uploaded it to YouTube. Singapore has crime too but the best part - nobody helped her when it started except for one guy in a blue tshirt who saw her when she was bleeding profusesly came in courageously to help her. You can see all the rest just gawking as though it is one big show.
Freedom of Speech - here the australians can criticise the Australian Government freely. Who ever restricts them from discussing election issues online or offline or in the news during elections? There is no such thing as selected sites to voice your opinions. The australians voice it out loud about what they are not happy about EVERYWHERE during Elections. You have political parties talking about the negatives of other political parties' agenda or policies. I don't hear them getting sued. The media goes wild sometimes but we can evaluate both sides of the story.
When I read Singaporean newspaper - I think sometimes it is all too good to be true. Everyday in Australia you are bound to have some unhappy person publishing their thoughts and view in the news - the more negative the more it gets attention. Yet here in Forums , I hear of some forumers who wrote with poignant remarks to the ST but never got published at all.
And by the way , you don't have students in Australia who tell you to "get out of their elite uncaring face" and daddy who sits on the ivory tower defending her arrogance as well as insensitivity. That is a great way to kill off a political career in Australia. -
how much of the 4 grand you spent goes into tax?Originally posted by Gedanken:What's it mean in real terms? In the past week I've spent coming to four grand on Christmas presents, with more to come over the next few days, but I'm not feeling any pinch whatsoever. Hell, about half that amount was paid by the Tax Office when I got my tax returns. -
cant to share with us what they are not happy about?Originally posted by fymk:The australians voice it out loud about what they are not happy about EVERYWHERE during Elections. -
Crime up Down Under
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/ECFAF68AB75AE9E3CA256DEA00053A5A -
Why should I care? I spend it without feeling any pinch.Originally posted by Gazelle:how much of the 4 grand you spent goes into tax? -
Uhh, aren't the first two sources biased? World Net Daily purports tp "keep an eye on the government" and Metcalf, well, does NRA ring a bell?Originally posted by Gazelle:Crime up Down Under
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304
Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/[email protected]/Lookup/ECFAF68AB75AE9E3CA256DEA00053A5A
As for stats, the figures are based upon reported cases. We all know how forthright Singapore is with its figures, right?
As Lordz said, you can either live it or read about it. In 12 years, the only thing criminal I've seen is the price of chicken rice and satay. -
racism exists everywhere. There is bound to be some idiot who doesn't like a person for ethnicity or physical appearance. However there is such a thing as EEO - Equal Employment Opportunity. There are laws governing racism.Originally posted by buses_galore:They also racits towards Singaporeans right?
You can either choose to be insulted and do nothing about it except whine, or you can choose to fight it and gain respect.