Downsides of Down under
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I don't hold feel anything for the git.
However, what you've posted is making this thread an eyesore.
And do think twice if you think nobody with an interest in Estonia is reading. There's no need to post items at their expense as well.
Peace.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:You mean you are even taking this guy seriously? Much less bothered to take this thread seriously after page 5.
Please refer to the previous few pages of this thread to realize that more of less the TS is not really interested in discussion, but merely as a soapbox for his crusade against Australia for some bizzare reason.
As such, my posts are as relevant as his- as in they are mere posts with links with no attempt to feed any discussion but simply to push a particular point of view at the expense of others. There is no need to feel any pity for lionnoisy, he pretty much deserves this reception.
And not to mention at least I bother to make my contribution to this thread funny.
And besides, Australia is getting boring, we need to hear more about the intestesting nation Estonia. -
And I knew you had to start on the stupid riots. The issue is a lot more complex than it seems. It's starting to reek of the way Gazelle tried use the Cronulla Beach incident as fodder.
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No worries mate.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:I don't hold feel anything for the git.
However, what you've posted is making this thread an eyesore.
And do think twice if you think nobody with an interest in Estonia is reading. There's no need to post items at their expense as well.
Peace.
My Estonian posts were not made to make fun of Estonia... in fact since the click wars I think everybody involved had a healthy and friendly respect for Estonia and their unique country that is like ours in many ways.
The articles I posted on them were but mostly neutral tibits of information (probably far more interesting that the repeated fare lionnoisy posts in countless iterations) and of course we should be rather concerned with the riots there now, having learnt about them very recently.
Unfortunately there are worst eyesores to what I create, and that would be constantly found in lionnoisy's post that attempt to potray Australia as a place that will bring hardship and culture shock to the migrant Singaporean... a thing that is obviously quite ridiculus from the accounts of those who are now living there.
Unfortunately he did not intend his insensitive posts to be satire, while mine are, as such designed to send the message rather clearly that even if he denies that he has turned his own thread into nothing more worthly of satire, it shall still be treated that way.
Indeed this thread isn't even worth visiting, except for those who want a laugh.
For more laughs from lionniosy, please visit the military nuts forum where he got pwned pretty badly when he attempted to post a pointless article on body armour, demostrating not only a total lack of understanding of the issue (beyond the link he copied and pasted), the grunt's life in the SAF, phrased in his trademark (and extremely funny) writing as well. -
The riots are stupid, no doubt about it. Estonia unfortunately straddles western and eastern idealogy currently... and I wonder where it will lead for them.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:And I knew you had to start on the stupid riots. The issue is a lot more complex than it seems. It's starting to reek of the way Gazelle tried use the Cronulla Beach incident as fodder.
Of course, you must realize that my 'Estonian riot' post was done in the style of a lionnoisy "what's wrong with this country" posts precisely to indicate the ugliness of the thing he is doing- which is a rather discusting way of finding any dirt I can find on the web and posting it up here to push my own bigoted crusade against whatever nation within my crosshairs.
Estonia is a cool nation, the reason they indeed have been mentioned (and not only by me) is not because we want to mock them, but more of the fact that their deeds during the click wars have left such an impression in us they are more then worthy of our consideration.
And fankly, I think Estonian news is far more interesting then the repeated fare lionniosy tosses in here in some misguided attempt to think people bother with what he posts.
As I said, he has made the choice of turning this thread into satire, hence the thread shall be this way until it is locked (of which I have contacted the mods to do so but they say they want to see how funny it can get). -
I've already seen enough of his posts to know. That includes the one on the submarines.
Seriously though, plenty of us here know little about the issues behind the Bronze Soldier memorial to be able to judge what's really going on.
Besides, the violence took place only in the capital. People in the other towns and cities couldn't care less about it.
The looters were not really interested in protesting (the protestors had already come and gone) but were just using the situation as an excuse to stir shit. -
And of course, if I should post more relevantly:
Since lionnoisy says his mission is to inform the potential migrants on the dangers of Australia, I believe the real question is not the downsides of Down Under but rather the downsides of the Little Red Dot.
The truth and the fact is, as things are, Singaporeans still, and are leaving our nation for Australia, and despite all of Australia's problems they are more then willing to go there no matter how many posts lionnoisy posts warning them to save water and how Singapore has water.
In here is the fatal flaw of lionnioisy's crusade: he thinks people leave Singapore because Australia is some dreamland- in fact the majority of the migrant Singaporean- the well-informed, educated person is more then aware of the problems of Austrlia, and certainly understand the media they read more then some guy who claims he CMI in PSLE English (refer to Military Nuts Body Armour thread).
The fact is, we are losing people to Australia not because Australia has become this mythical land of dreams that has tricked and beguilled Singaporeans, but simply because it provides, despite it's problems, many of the things that our system simply does not provide now.
Things that our system has considered not "bread and butter" but that apparently many are more then willing to take very pratical steps to change their lives to attain.
What are those things? Just ask the person who has decided to migrate (and it's not just to Australia). They are willing to face the problems of another nation, and live the non-sheltered life of the Singaporean.
The question is why.
If it was because they saw Australia (in this case) as a land of their only hope (as lionnioisy claims) then they would be sorely dissapointed. But this has not only not happened, we do not even hear of it from the Singaporeans who have gone there. Instead they talk about missing things about Singapore, but rarely do you (if at all) hear them bleed negativity about their life in their new home.
So apparently all the drugs-in-churches, drought and what have you not, no matter how scary lionnioisy tries to make them... simply do not affect the majority of Singaporeans living there. It is as ridiculus about some Yank on the other side of the world starting a whole thread about we having caning and how it makes Singapore unlivable and then keeps harping on it when by all respects we live with it more or less.
At the end of the day, the purpose of this "downsides of Down Under", as lionniosy has claimed fails to justify its own existence. He said he was a thread to inform those to the dangers of Australia as if it was some truth nobody knows when the average migrant Singaporean has already long put it into his equations when deciding if to move or not.
The real question is: what makes them move and what will keep them here if we don't want them to move.
Downsides of Down Under won't help, it makes sense to lionnoisy because in his this system he cannot comprehend of any other system other then ours and indeed is so disturbed that some might leave it that he thinks that they have to be making some mistake based on a lack of information. You can see this mindset in his other threads when he simply can't comprehend anything other then the way Singapore run things.
Hence he thinks that the greatest deterrance to migration (and hence challanging his beloved system of perfection) is to highlight the downsides of Australia (the greatest threat of all) which are the things that terrify him, but he has forgotten that our forefathers, the people who built his beloved Singapore and made the system he beloved so much and cannot live without are prehaps the least like him (a person who will sit back and try to think the system is perfect) and the most like the people he is trying to make "think again".
The migrant Singaporean thinks totally differently from him, and indeed I think if Singapore needs to survive lionnoisy is exactly the kind of person Singaporeans cannot be like. The person who looks to the outside to blame and attack for his own problems while refusing to self-introspect or change to ensure his own improvement and survival. The forefathers who built Singapore were nothing like lionnoisy.
So if lionnoisy were truly interested in trying to reverse the brain brain caused by migration (and not only to Australia), the real productive, and rational thing to do is to look to the root of the issue- and that is not that Australia has managed to sell itself as a dreamland but that some factors within Singapore is making us lose our own population to another country that has more problems (in some areas) then us.
Thinking that he can "scare" or "warn" people into not seeing Australia as an option not only fails to work, it misses entirely to root of the problem, trys to assume an unreality that the migrants are giving up Singapore because they are stupid, and allows the wound that is affecting us to fester while blaming others for it.
Not to mention he even runs the risk of offending other nations and sedition and what have you not for it.
If we want to be fit to pick the Downsides of Down Under, we must first discover and understand what makes Singaporeans want to leave... before we do that we have no right to call those who leave deluded white-suckups or what have you not, not any more then some of the more fanatical people who have left seek the chance to put Singapore down at every turn, even at the expense of its people. -
people defending white pri.ck is already quite aggressive, I am sure people defending a pair of white tit.s is going to get worst than that.
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You real point being? That we should be as openly hostile and racist as they are to us?Originally posted by Gazelle:people defending white pri.ck is already quite aggressive, I am sure people defending a pair of white tit.s is going to get worst than that.
I dunno, but one guy (a white guy at that) made a sentence that made a lot of sense: the best way to fight racism from whites or whatever other colour is not too feed it by giving back in kind just because you have been exposed to it from a bunch of ignorant and bigoted people, if not you are really just part of the problem you speak out against.
I mean, has the irony of lashing back at whites (and those supposed people who support them) in a racist way because some of them look down on people of other colours been lost on anyone in here?
I don't know, but I'm not sure your approach is productive Gazelle, at best it is but a venting of steam, and a kind of steam that eventually burns others and yourself at the end of the day, adding to the misery already caused by racism in this world. -
If you havent notice that my comments are on white pric.k suckers and not the white pri.ck itself. it is your guess to what colors are those suckers.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:You real point being? That we should be as openly hostile and racist as they are to us?
I dunno, but one guy (a white guy at that) made a sentence that made a lot of sense: the best way to fight racism from whites or whatever other colour is not too feed it by giving back in kind just because you have been exposed to it from a bunch of ignorant and bigoted people, if not you are really just part of the problem you speak out against.
I mean, has the irony of lashing back at whites (and those supposed people who support them) in a racist way because some of them look down on people of other colours been lost on anyone in here?
I don't know, but I'm not sure your approach is productive Gazelle, at best it is but a venting of steam, and a kind of steam that eventually burns others and yourself at the end of the day, adding to the misery already caused by racism in this world. -
You are simply intolerant, and what makes you think that aficionados of yellow longdongschlongs are culturally superior in this world?Originally posted by Gazelle:If you havent notice that my comments are on white pric.k suckers and not the white pri.ck itself. it is your guess to what colors are those suckers. -
And what, by your definition, qualifies somebody to be such a person?Originally posted by Gazelle:If you havent notice that my comments are on white pric.k suckers and not the white pri.ck itself. it is your guess to what colors are those suckers.
And furthermore are your actions towards them productive or simply mere hostility? That's anybody guess.
But I need to point out that much of your actions are deemed offensive even by those who do not suck up to Whites, and that is simply because while some people may be idiots going around calling Singapore "Sinkapore", there are better ways to respond to these morons then going the crass and vulgar route that is not only ultimately counterproductive (as if the insults even make a dent on them), but also an eyesore and not even flattering to the intelligence of the user. If anything it only steels their resolve to carry on in their line of labeling and reasoning, sparking off your own and leading to a competely meaningless war of words that are less and less about the issue, and more about how creatively one can spin his words and vulgarities.
Is your time really worth being spent on such a thing? At least in the process of debunking lionnoisy, a lot of things are learnt (like on the truth behind the Collins and why Singaporeans want to leave- not because of Australia but Singapore itself).
However I can't see what your labels seek to acomplish except to show hostility that does not even work on its intended victim. And of course, alienating yourself from those who might share their views with you.
In the big picture of things, while spinning a vulgar insult may pay off in the short run in getting feelings of "getting back", in the long run it ultimately works against its user.
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hey guys .U put your posting on wrong thread.
This is Down Sides of Aussie,not Singapore.
Pl open a thread or http://www.singaporedemocrat.org/.
2.Never mind Speakers Corner become Under Sides
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Ssssh! lionnoisy, you should be glad that your thread is finally being used for something productive.
As you said, the main purpose of the thread is to expose people to the realities of migrating to Australia (and as you said, hopefully dissuade them), and indeed, it so turns out a large part of that reality starts right here in Singapore.
The fact of the matter is this: despite all its shortcomings, we are still losing our citizens to Australia, hence the main reason for people migrating obviously goes beyond the issues that Australia faces. The sheer Downsides of Down Under are simply not a big hinderance to the typical Singaporean migrant at all, you hear of migrant Singaporeans saying they miss some aspects of Singapore life, but rarely, if ever that they regret the decision to migrate.
So what at the basis of this issue? Is it the Downsides of Down Under or the Downsides of the Little Red Dot? It is obviously the former.
Since you keep insisting that your thread isn't a meaingless and insensitive attack on Australia and was made to adress the issue of Singaporeans who might want to migrate there- fine, let's cut to the root of the issue and find out what REALLY makes Singaporeans leave. Is it mainly the attraction of Australia or the push factors making people leave.
It is only by adressing the root and true issue that this thread can be taken seriously, if not, expect people to simply ignore your posts and use this thread for fun, as we are more then willing to do. -
An interesting article written by a person as to why some might quit, and of course these are his opinions as to on why:
IS presents “I am a Singaporean” by Dan E, inspired by Mr Brown===
I was born in 1970 at the KK hospital and grew up in a kampong near the old airport. My parents stopped at 2 after having my younger sibling.
I moved from my kampong to a HDB flat in the west-end of Singapore when the government exercised the Land Reclamation Act on my kampong to build new flats.
I schooled through PSLE, O-level, A-level, and took a 2.5 years Army conscription break before disrupting to return to NUS for a degree course.
I followed the Singapore dream: study hard, serve the country, work hard, listen to the government and have a good life.
I remember vividly an illustration from the National Education text in primary school where it depicted a happy family of four walking towards their car from a high-rise apartment.
I observed the property market riding waves after waves of increase and read the dosage of how “investors” harvested profits within weeks without even seeing the apartment they bought. Inspiring.
And I quietly wondered how I can afford a high-rise apartment. But I thought that the government has a plan and I went for my Reservists and IPPT.
I watched my mother fell sick, admitted for emergency treatment and ICU observation. I saw the hospitable bills piled to intimidating figures but I have one and just only one mother – priceless. I knew I had enough CPF savings to cover her.
I thought I knew, but the CPF Board knew better. I watched in horror as the clerk punched her calculator and calmly informed me that the combined CPF of my 3 family members could only pay for less than 15% of the $25,000 bill.
I wiped out my first few years of cash savings in one cheque. Little did I know, then, that this one cheque would go on to change my Singapore dream.
I researched the CPF and learned about the limited medical scheme, housing scheme, and the ever-rising minimum sum requirement. I found out that I canÂ’t access my money even if I have a dying mother requiring an operation for which I have no cash to pay.
I finally understood why some old people say, “in singapore you can die but you better don’t fall sick”.
And I went for my Reservists and IPPT – but I began hating it for its inflexibility and infringement on my personal life.
I started asking “why”. I questioned and discovered that no one had a satisfactory answer, (or perhaps they just didn’t want to answer) – except for slogans like “More Good Years”, “Swiss Standard of Living”, “First World nation”.
No one, in fact, could tell me what constitutes a “Rainy Day” or who can decide if its going to be a rainy day. Certainly not the weatherman, I know.
I took up a job that led me away from Singapore, relocating to a few locations. Someone called me a quitter subsequently.
In Japan, I concluded that World-class transportation network is quite a bit more than just 4 lines running through the city.
In Taiwan, I realized that Singapore is really a western society that happens to speak functional Mandarin. I learned what is civic participation, media independence, and how absolute power will corrupt absolutely eventually.
I now know it is the electorate’s responsibility to ensure that the government does its job – not the other way around.
I married and bought my own high-rise apartment (not a cent from the CPF) – all outside of Singapore. I found out that I don’t need a car to complete the picture in order to be happy, or to support my ego.
I watched the post-911 GE and the recent Lee-junior GE. I saw Martyn See’s documentary on CSJ. I observed the emergence of political forums and their haste relocation from singapore, the evolution of the “persistently non-political” blogs, not to mention the blogs’ coverage of GE-2006.
I read with interest the emergence of civic awareness that are well articulated and presented on the Internet.
I am amused at the PAP’s apprehension of this new media, as well as its instinctive need to “fix” this emerging trend. I wonder how the new fix will reconcile with the new slogan, “Open and Inclusive Society”.
I continue to be amused by a shriveled 80+ years old man who persists in putting on his gauntlets and meeting his imaginary opponent in a cul-de-sac. And yet when the time comes for reckoning he backpeddles and calls out for judgement without trial.
I pay the government to do its job of providing governmental services to the country, including a fair, equitable and non-partisan method of upgrading older estates.
I didn’t pay to be told what can or cannot be expressed as opinions, be it constructive, partisan or otherwise. I have my wife at home to discuss freedom of expression – it is not the call of a civil servant or a minister employed by my tax dollars.
I have this to tell the civil servants and ministers: create more jobs, keep prices steady and try to move singapore upwards a little more in the Happy Nation Index. And stop complaining about how you cannot cope with rising oil prices, globalization, terrorism – you need to think really hard and come out with solutions.
And you do really need to worry about losing confidence because you are already there: through non-performance.
I am a Singaporean, who now understand the separation of State and Government, and who knows government must be managed and can indeed be changed (as opposed to some misguided musings).
I am a Singaporean, and I want a democratic society based on justice and equality. And I believe we will slowly but surely dismantle the obstructions accumulated from years of apathy.
So say we all.
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Categories: IS Opinion
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a 10-20 per cent decrease in rainfall can equate to a much larger reduction in stream flow of up to 70 per cent.
I may be anti-aussie as some learned guys here think.
But u guys will not so stupid to say
Australian of the Year 2007 anti--Aussie!!Prof Flannery was presented with his award by the Prime Minister, The Hon John Howard MP, at a ceremony on the lawns of Parliament House in Canberra this evening.
The Prime Minister said Prof Flannery had helped millions of Australian better appreciate and understand the environment.
2.Both of us have a common ground--Aussie facing big water trouble
Monday April 30, 2007
Australian cities facing 'Big Dry' water shortagesFlannery said the drought meant two of Australia's largest cities, Brisbane and Adelaide -- home to a combined total of almost three million people -- would run out of water by the year's end unless the so-called "Big Dry" ended.
3.Like the Gobi desert,June 14, 2005Scientist Tim Flannery predicts that one morning in the not-too-distant future in one of the major cities, taps will be turned on, and instead of water, there will only be a whistling in the pipes.
4.Few know this,but it will kill millions
Not a drop. Totally dry.
But sustainability expert Charles Essery says such a scenario is unlikely, but not impossible.where scientists have found a 10-20 per cent decrease in rainfall can equate to a much larger reduction in stream flow of up to 70 per cent.
---http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21581501-910,00.html?from=public_rss
"We're just not getting the flow into the rivers any more," Professor Flannery said.
"That's because the soils are warmer and the plants are more stressed and more water gets used up on the way through."
As temperatures increased, more water was lost to evaporation and to plant transpiration.
u compare two maps then u know why aussie water supply
drop so fast!!
Average maps - Australian rainfall pa
Trend maps - change in rainfall per 10 year in from 1950
The east coast drop some 10 to 20 % in few decades!!where scientists have found a 10-20 per cent decrease in rainfall can equate to a much larger reduction in stream flow of up to 70 per cent
5.dunt post irrelevant info
While we talk,the drought become worst
My language is poor,but my heart is kind.
Do your fren and relative a favour,tell them this news.
Ask them consider to sell their houses NOW.
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The problem is this: this will not deter the Singaporeans who want to migrate.
The typical Singaporean who wants to migrate is not the person who is ignorant of world events and see other countries as an escape from Singapore, but instead the rather well-educated, talented, and knowledgeable Singaporean who has very specific reasons for making his choice to migrate.
This is why our government is extremely concerned about the brain drain in here, because it is our top talents who have the means to, as well as the reasons and motivates to migrate.
Hence all this news from the drought will not deter them- in fact they probably know this much better then lionnoisy. They know full well what they are stepping into when they make the decision to shift to Australia, and they are more then willing to take the country as their home with itÂ’s problems with drought and all.
The reason they decide to migrate does not lie with Australia being attractive, but with Singapore have plenty of “push” factors making them want to migrate.
A worrying proportion of our youth and top talents express intentions of migrating, with Australia still being the top on the list of locations. And this is not because they are ignorant on what is happening in Australia- these are educated and talented people have already weighted all the pros can cons, and of course this is the reason why our Government is so concerned about the Brain Drain.
So highlighting Australia’s drought problems over and over again won’t really help this issue (that is if you even intend to help it), it is as best the “Indonesian Solution” to internal issues, and that is to highlight the issues of some other country to draw attention away from what is really happening.
Instead if one really wants to solve the problem of Singaporeans wanting to migrate to other countries, why not look into what the person who migrate really thinks? Even if Australia becomes inviable, Singaporeans will still find other places to go to, and what are you going to do then? Set up some Downsides of XXX Country thread for everyone they choose?
Unless we deal with the real issue at hand, which lies with ourselves, the problem can never be solved. Trying to shift the attention to other nations is simply not the solution. -
4.Few know this,but it will kill millions
Frankly you should refrain from using statements like that, because not only is it untrue, it's somewhat ridiculus.
You think the Australians are like Africans ah? Do you seriously think they have no idea on how to deal with their issues and would allow millions of their citizens to die?
Is this not another example of your habit of using words that are ridiculusly out of proportion with reality?
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the cows come home already dont agure animore
