Downsides of Down under
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He can make a good comedy skit partner for Gazelle, IMO.Originally posted by Gedanken:This is just too much. You ought to quit your day job and become a comedian.
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2.why dunt u read first then talk to me?Originally posted by Gedanken:So, who's this Candy or Dev? Are they legislators, perhaps? Members of parliament? Media political commentators, even?
This is just too much. You ought to quit your day job and become a comedian. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
I now present my response to lionnoisy in the similar thematic format used minus the summaries and commentaries.
many said Aussie Good.I have different views already and supported
by reports in Aussie Medias.
singabloodypore.blogspot.com/2006/08/singapore-immigration_25.html
channel-x.blogspot.com/- nice videos
matilahsingapura.blogspot.com -
Since it's obvious lionnoisy is just here to make noise, as opposed to actually having a balanced debate on the pros and cons of Australia.
As much as he claims to show one side of the coin, it seems to me that his coin only has one side, and he is not really interested in hearing anything other then that.
In the light of this, it seems to me the best thing to do is just to ignore him... after all if he chooses to celebrate ignorance... by all means so be it. Why be an instrument of his ignorance?
For his kind of posts, the best response it this:
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Oh, I read it all right. It's obvious you didn't, though.Originally posted by lionnoisy:2.why dunt u read first then talk to me? -
Good point.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Since it's obvious lionnoisy is just here to make noise, as opposed to actually having a balanced debate on the pros and cons of Australia.
As much as he claims to show one side of the coin, it seems to me that his coin only has one side, and he is not really interested in hearing anything other then that.
In the light of this, it seems to me the best thing to do is just to ignore him... after all if he chooses to celebrate ignorance... by all means so be it. Why be an instrument of his ignorance?
For his kind of posts, the best response it this:
+1
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pl share how you feel Almost one in 10 Australians has tried methamphetamines at least once,....About half a million Australians have used methamphetamines in the past year.(crystal methamphetamine is "ice",)---http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/exposed-the-new-illicit-drug-scourge/2007/01/29/1169919278504.html
2.Who says A democratic and free country is necessarily come
with serious drugs problems?Oh it is ok if you think the situation
is not too bad.Any way,my kids is not in Aussie yet. -
Noisy siah, give me something about Tibet. I'm more interested in Tibet, why you and gazelle always talk about Australia. You kena bully in Australia before is it? Siah lah, go tell your MP you kena bully lah...
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Good point.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Since it's obvious lionnoisy is just here to make noise, as opposed to actually having a balanced debate on the pros and cons of Australia.
As much as he claims to show one side of the coin, it seems to me that his coin only has one side, and he is not really interested in hearing anything other then that.
In the light of this, it seems to me the best thing to do is just to ignore him... after all if he chooses to celebrate ignorance... by all means so be it. Why be an instrument of his ignorance?
For his kind of posts, the best response it this:
+1
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Hey at least in Australia they really support democracy. No sure how much lah, but it's the thought that counts... In Singapore I think it's Opposition go and die.
Political parties are funded by contributions from their membership and by individuals and organizations which share their political ideas or who stand to benefit from their activities. Ardent supporters may will their estate to the party of their persuasion. Political parties and factions, especially those in government, are lobbied vigorously by organizations, businesses and special interest groups such as trades unions. Money and gifts to a party, or its members, may be offered as incentives. In the United Kingdom, it has been alleged that peerages have been awarded to contributors to party funds, the benefactors becoming members of the Upper House of Parliament and thus being in a position to participate in the legislative process. Famously, Lloyd George was found to have been selling peerages and to prevent such corruption in future, Parliament passed the Honours (Prevention of Abuses) Act 1925 into law. Thus the outright sale of peerages and similar honours became a criminal act, however some benefactors are alleged to have attempted to circumvent this by cloaking their contributions as loans, giving rise to the 'Cash for Peerages' scandal. Such activities have given rise to demands that the scale of donations should be capped. As the costs of electioneering escalate, so the demands made on party funds increases. In the UK some politicians are advocating that parties should be funded by the State; a proposition that promises to give rise to interesting debate. Along with the increased scrutiny of donations there has been a long term contraction in party memberships in a number of western democracies which itself places more strains on funding. For example in the United Kingdom and Australia membership of the two main parties in 2006 is less than an 1/8 of what it was in 1950, despite significant increases in population over that period.
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Joe, the SG garbement is already funded by Temasek, with co-sponsorship by Courts - whoops, the courts. Any other donations from private concerns would be like a mouse trying to rape an elephant.
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What about the poor WPs?Originally posted by Gedanken:Joe, the SG garbement is already funded by Temasek, with co-sponsorship by Courts - whoops, the courts. Any other donations from private concerns would be like a mouse trying to rape an elephant. -
No one can tell me any up sides of Downunder.
Do you think all the political donations in the western countries just to
promote the freedom and democracy in respective country?
Dunt be so naive.The donations is another form of investments--
to put on in plain English---bribe and corruptions!!
I would rather ''bribe'' the leaders in one fixed lump sum---
fixed salary.All are human being and cant resist too much
tempations---except CSJ.
You give low pay to politicians and they look for donations--
some are under the table.
Pick the best option.
New laws make it even harder to see who donates to political parties,Misha Schubert , Canberra,February 2, 2007...
----http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/new-laws-make-it-even-harder-to-see-who-donates-to-politicalparties/2007/02/01/1169919472327.html
Casino magnate Stanley Ho, whose son Lawrence is in partnership with James Packer's PBL, donated $109,000 to Labor — including $48,000 to have lunch with NSW Premier Morris Iemma.
Kowloon property developer Chau Wing, who owns the Sydney Chinese-language newspaper The New Express, gave the Liberals $100,000.
Annual returns released yesterday reveal that the major parties profited handsomely from shrouded income streams....
2.Our democracy encourages corruption and undue influence,February 2, 2007---by Joo-Cheong Tham, a senior law lecturer at Melbourne University. With Sally Young, senior lecturer in media and communications at the University of Melbourne, he is the co-author of a report on Australian political finance for the Democratic Audit of Australia.
---http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/our-democracy-encourages-corruption-and-undue-influence/2007/02/01/1169919469189.html
Membership of this fund-raising arm of the Victorian ALP would have entitled them to attend closed-door ministerial briefings by Premier Steve Bracks and Treasurer John Brumby. Such secret meetings give rise, at the very least, to an apprehension of undue influence and corruption. -
Good point.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Since it's obvious lionnoisy is just here to make noise, as opposed to actually having a balanced debate on the pros and cons of Australia.
As much as he claims to show one side of the coin, it seems to me that his coin only has one side, and he is not really interested in hearing anything other then that.
In the light of this, it seems to me the best thing to do is just to ignore him... after all if he chooses to celebrate ignorance... by all means so be it. Why be an instrument of his ignorance?
For his kind of posts, the best response it this:
+1
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If anybody gives $1 to the WPs, the courts will arrange to take another $10. Who's got the resources to spend 11 times Temasek's blood money?Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:What about the poor WPs? -
Yup, pay them an onscene salary and they'll be bribe-proof, right?Originally posted by maurizio13:Tan Kia Gan : Minister for National Development
Tan Kia Gan, then Minister for National Development, was investigated in August 1966 for attempting to help his close businessman friend Lim Tjin Hauw and his son William Lim to clinch the sale of Boeing aircraft to Malaysian Airways. He also acted as an intermediary for his brother-in-law in the sale of a tin mine to Lim. For this, he was given 70,000 shares worth $1 each. As the witnesses did not want to implicate him, Tan Kia Gan was administratively stripped of all his public appointments by the Government.
Wee Toon Boon : Minister of State for Environment
Wee Toon Boon, then Minster of State for Environment, was charged for corruption involving $839,023 in April 1975. Investigation revealed that Wee was involved with a developer Lauw Tjin Ho, then Chairman of Lauw and Sons Pte Ltd. He used his ministerial status to make representation to civil servants on behalf of Lauw. In return, he was rewarded with a bunglow, worth $532,000, galvanised roofing for his home worth $3,500, free air tickets for him and his family to Indonesia and bank overdrafts totalling $300,000 to speculate in shares. He was convicted and sentenced to 4 1/2 years' imprisonment and ordered to pay a penalty of $7,023. His jail sentence was reduced to 18 months after he successfully appealed against one of the 5 charges.
Teh Cheang Wan : Minister for National Development
Teh Cheang Wan, then Minister for National Development, was investigated in 1986 for accepting 2 bribes totalling $1 million from Hock Tat Development Pte Ltd and Ho Yeow Koon of Keck Seng Pte Ltd in 1981 and 1982 respectively. Hock Tat Development had paid Teh a gratification of $500,000 after he helped the company to retain a piece of land that was earmarked for acquisition by the Government. Ho Yeow Koon had also given a gratification of $500,000 to Teh for helping to buy over a piece of State land for private development. Teh committed suicide before he could be formally charged in court. He maintained till the end that he was innocent.
http://app.cpib.gov.sg/newcpib/user/default.aspx?pgID=237
Choy Hon Tim : the largest total bribe amount in CPIB's history
Choy Hon Tim, the former Director of the Electricity Department as well as the Deputy Chief Executive (Operations) of the Public Utilities Board (PUB) may not be the most senior public officer investigated by the Bureau, but his case involved the largest amount of bribes uncovered. He was investigated in 1995 following allegations that he had received kickbacks in return for awarding contracts to suppliers and contractors of PUB when he was a Chief Electrical Engineer of PUB. Choy was subsequently charged for obtaining gratifications totalling $13.85 million. He was convicted and sentenced to 14 years' jail term and the $13.85 million bribe obtained by him was forfeited to the State.
Yeo Seng Teck : Trade Development Board Chief
Yeo Seng Teck, then Chief Executive Officer of Trade Development Board was investigated in 1993 for cheating offences dating back to 1988. Investigation revealed that he had used forged document to cheat his principals (in this case, the organisations he was working for) involving the purchase of Chinese antiques worth about $2 million. He was subsequently charged and convicted for cheating offences and sentenced to 4 years' imprisonment.
Lim How Seng : Director of Singapore History Museum
Lim How Seng was charged for corruptly receiving two loans of $20,000 each from a private vendor named 3G Studio. In return, Lim recommended a contract for the production of a new 3-dimensional show at the museum to be awarded to 3G Studio. He was sentenced to 3 month's imprisonment and ordered to pay a $20,000 penalty.
Andrew Goh Keng Guan : Assistant Head, Talent Group, Economic Development Board.
Andrew Goh, the Assistant Head of Talent Group took bribes totalling $380,000 from seven Chinese nationals between February 1999 and June 2001. In return, he helped the 7 Chinese nationals by processing their application for permanent residency in Singapore. Andrew was sentenced to 26 months' imprisonment and the money he took from the seven Chinese nationals was forfeited.
Ong Beng Leong : Commanding Officer of Training Resources Management Centre
Ong Beng Leong, a Lieutenant Colonel in the SAF, was the Commanding Officer of Training Resource Management Centre (TRMC) from 1st April 1999 to 14th December 2001. During this period, he knowingly accepted fictitious quotes submitted to him by the sole-proprietor of Sin Hiaptat Construction. According to financial procedures, he should have sourced for quotations from other contractors. Ong had then gone on to award contracts to the Sin Hiaptat Construction. He was later charged and convicted for using false documents to deceive his principal (i.e. his employer in this case), an offence under section 6(c) of the Prevention of Corruption Act, Cap 241. He was sentenced to 1.5 months' imprisonment.
http://app.cpib.gov.sg/newcpib/user/default.aspx?pgID=236
For those that are detected, I wonder how many goes undetected. If you see 5 persons with nine fingers walking pass you; Does it mean Singapore only has 5 persons with nine fingers?
There will [never] be no corruption in Singapore.
[xxxxx] = censored
Class 95 FM, only hear the good stuff. (Tennis Coach talking to father regarding kid's potential in tennis)
It's pretty clear who the really naive one is. -
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Neither can you tell me any up sides of the new generation of MIW leaders...
If we find it hard to come up with any up sides, perhaps it's because we don't stay in Australia... but for someone staying in Singapore, I think we know the good and bad better than anyone else...Originally posted by lionnoisy:
No one can tell me any up sides of Downunder.
Do you think all the political donations in the western countries just to
promote the freedom and democracy in respective country?
Dunt be so naive.The donations is another form of investments--
to put on in plain English---bribe and corruptions!!
I would rather ''bribe'' the leaders in one fixed lump sum---
fixed salary.All are human being and cant resist too much
tempations---except CSJ.
You give low pay to politicians and they look for donations--
some are under the table.
Pick the best option.
[b]New laws make it even harder to see who donates to political parties,Misha Schubert , Canberra,February 2, 2007
---http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/our-democracy-encourages-corruption-and-undue-influence/2007/02/01/1169919469189.html[/b] -
Greed is prevalent in developed n developing countries. Huge salary cannot guranteed free from corruption.Originally posted by Gedanken:Yup, pay them an onscene salary and they'll be bribe-proof, right?
It's pretty clear who the really naive one is. -
Joe, do you honestly think this guy's interested in hearing about any upsides, especially since he's started a thread about downsides? As far as what he's written shows, the only thing he's interested in is droning on and on and on and on with mindless cut-and-paste jobs, to the point where he's numbed even himself so much that he's equated letters from the public with government policy.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:If we find it hard to come up with any up sides, perhaps it's because we don't stay in Australia... but for someone staying in Singapore, I think we know the good and bad better than anyone else...
I live in Australia, and so does fymk, but if we do talk about the upsides here as we do in other threads, won't it be a waste of effort? -
You know it, I know it. Mr Cut-and-Paste has obviously eaten too much glue to notice the obvious.Originally posted by will4:Greed is prevalent in developed n developing countries. Huge salary cannot guranteed free from corruption. -
2.i am waiting for anyone to tell me the good points of Aussie.Originally posted by Gedanken:Joe, do you honestly think this guy's interested in hearing about any upsides, especially since he's started a thread about downsides? As far as what he's written shows, the only thing he's interested in is droning on and on and on and on with mindless cut-and-paste jobs, to the point where he's numbed even himself so much that he's equated letters from the public with government policy.
I live in Australia, and so does fymk, but if we do talk about the upsides here as we do in other threads, won't it be a waste of effort?
A copy of Application of Aussie PR is right in front of me.
Give me the reasons then i wil engage a lawyer to apple for me.
But i have been waiting for some 72 hours and no one tell me
a single reason in I love Aussie.It is so sad that the topics is closed by MOD.
I stop cut and paste now and listening to all of you.
Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!! -
Good point.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Since it's obvious lionnoisy is just here to make noise, as opposed to actually having a balanced debate on the pros and cons of Australia.
As much as he claims to show one side of the coin, it seems to me that his coin only has one side, and he is not really interested in hearing anything other then that.
In the light of this, it seems to me the best thing to do is just to ignore him... after all if he chooses to celebrate ignorance... by all means so be it. Why be an instrument of his ignorance?
For his kind of posts, the best response it this:
+1
+1 -
Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!!
Since it's obvious lionnoisy is just here to make noise, as opposed to actually having a balanced debate on the pros and cons of Australia.
As much as he claims to show one side of the coin, it seems to me that his coin only has one side, and he is not really interested in hearing anything other then that.
In the light of this, it seems to me the best thing to do is just to ignore him... after all if he chooses to celebrate ignorance... by all means so be it. Why be an instrument of his ignorance?
For his kind of posts, the best response it this:
+1 -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Be in the country you like, why listen to what others say. If others say Singapore sucks but you think it's great, just ignore them.
I am waiting for anyone to tell me the good points of Aussie.
A copy of Application of Aussie PR is right in front of me.
Give me the reasons then i wil engage a lawyer to apple for me.
But i have been waiting for some 72 hours and no one tell me
a single reason in [b]I love Aussie.It is so sad that the topics is closed by MOD.
I stop cut and paste now and listening to all of you.
Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!![/b]
Mmh I am sure you have no intention whatsoever to shift base to Australia, anyway I do hope that you don't move to Australia for I have reasons to suspect that your life would be very miserable there. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
you want a lawyer to APPLE for you?
2.i am waiting for anyone to tell me the good points of Aussie.
A copy of Application of Aussie PR is right in front of me.
Give me the reasons then i wil engage a lawyer to apple for me.
But i have been waiting for some 72 hours and no one tell me
a single reason in [b]I love Aussie.It is so sad that the topics is closed by MOD.
I stop cut and paste now and listening to all of you.
Dunt change the topics to SG MIW etc.Tell me now,NOW ,NOW.
Why do u love Aussie?Tell me NOW!![/b]
