FT took over his job...
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nobody is asking the govt to ban foreign workers.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If foreigners can pick up the skill in a couple of months and do the job as well, you have to show your boss why you deserve a higher salary. This story just goes to show that we have to constantly upgrade our skills. Foreign workers may know nuts when they first started, not because they are dumb but because they lack the training opportunities available in Singapore.
Knowing well that you are training these foreign workers to take over your job, you should be undergoing trainng yourself to take over your supervisor's job. The other point in this story is that it is not just about salary. The writer admitted that foreign workers are willing to work much longer hours. If you are not able to do more and still insist on working shorter hours, employers will go for foreigners. If the government bans all foreign workers, employers will move their businesses elsewhere and Singaporeans will lose more.
the govt can limit them to certain sectors and control the numbers as well. it seems like it is now a free-for-all.
the way you put it i believe majority of singaporeans will soon be out of job.
i am sure there are foreigners who can be ministers and yet willing to take a pay lower than 100k a month.
why dont the ministers outsource themselves? -
So is he going to jump the MRT tracks?
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btw, i think the doctors from India are willing to work for a lot less than OM is asking for...
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I am sure the ministers can train those banglas on everything they know, in no time, those banglas can replace our ministers, like those that replace this Singaporean. Even technical skills can be taught, what more about ministers job.Originally posted by dragg:nobody is asking the govt to ban foreign workers.
the govt can limit them to certain sectors and control the numbers as well. it seems like it is now a free-for-all.
the way you put it i believe majority of singaporeans will soon be out of job.
i am sure there are foreigners who can be ministers and yet willing to take a pay lower than 100k a month.
why dont the ministers outsource themselves? -
What makes you think OM is a doctor?Originally posted by the Bear:btw, i think the doctors from India are willing to work for a lot less than OM is asking for... -
isn't that what he says he is?
maybe i'm mistaken.. but what the heck? let's bring in whatever nationality that is way cheaper and just as qualified
or is OM one of those "FT" that are cheaper for the country he is currently in?Originally posted by maurizio13:What makes you think OM is a doctor? -
isnt it ironic?
'we' are actually paying the ministers 100k a month to make our lives more difficult!!! -
It's a real Gourmet Recipe! One that only our PAP can dream up!Originally posted by Mid9Sun:The article is written by an ITE chap trained in IT who just got laid off.
The main jeez is that the bosses hired FTs who knows nothing and once the singaporean trained these FTs, these singaporeans will be retrenched because they cannot compete with the FTs in terms of salary as well as working hrs.
He complaint that why the govt on 1 hand encourage ppl to retrain and upgrade skills on the other encourage and give out permits for FTs.
So there......
>> First the gov makes money when people retrain and upgrade to remain employable.
>> Then they encourage FTs to come and work here, citing globalization craps, and being competitive bull, when they are again making money when foreigners come here to work - just look at the recent announcement to increase medicals for foreigners!
So tell me, WHY THE HELL do people still STUPIDLY vote for them???
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You think our gov gives a crap whether people loses jobs to friggin PRCs???
They way they are doing things, I say they can't be farking bothered!!
I run my own business, I turn away EVERY farking PRC that ever tried to seek employment in my company!!!!
FARK them all man...!!!
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You might as well tell the gov to screw their suggestion of locals having more time with their families!!!Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If foreigners can pick up the skill in a couple of months and do the job as well, you have to show your boss why you deserve a higher salary. This story just goes to show that we have to constantly upgrade our skills. Foreign workers may know nuts when they first started, not because they are dumb but because they lack the training opportunities available in Singapore.
Knowing well that you are training these foreign workers to take over your job, you should be undergoing trainng yourself to take over your supervisor's job. The other point in this story is that it is not just about salary. The writer admitted that foreign workers are willing to work much longer hours. If you are not able to do more and still insist on working shorter hours, employers will go for foreigners. If the government bans all foreign workers, employers will move their businesses elsewhere and Singaporeans will lose more.
Eventually China's inflation will make PRCs just as costly, and our GST will eventually drive investors elsewhere anyways!!!
Why yer always talking thru yer ass??? -
I think the 66.6% are that made up the electorate are sadomasochistic, blinded by money illusion, fear of reprisal, etc.Originally posted by dragg:isnt it ironic?
'we' are actually paying the ministers 100k a month to make our lives more difficult!!! -
a portion are simply jellybeans.Originally posted by maurizio13:I think the 66.6% are that made up the electorate are sadomasochistic, blinded by money illusion, fear of reprisal, etc. -
Spoke to this bad tempered hawker once, he's like big time gangster, come election time, ask who he vote, he said "PAP lor", when queried, he said "they will know if I voted for opposition".Originally posted by LazerLordz:a portion are simply jellybeans.
Hahaha
I have to agree most of the population bo ji. Even big time gangsters.
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sad, truly sad. wither a man if he hath no two brass ones to speak his own mind with.Originally posted by maurizio13:Spoke to this bad tempered hawker once, he's like big time gangster, come election time, ask who he vote, he said "PAP lor", when queried, he said "they will know if I voted for opposition".
Hahaha
I have to agree most of the population bo ji. Even big time gangsters.
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Dr Chee has BIG brass ones alright....Originally posted by LazerLordz:sad, truly sad. wither a man if he hath no two brass ones to speak his own mind with.
and he's showing us all, what happens when you speak up... -
That one has 2 big brass ones but no brains.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Dr Chee has BIG brass ones alright....
and he's showing us all, what happens when you speak up...
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He has brains.Originally posted by maurizio13:That one has 2 big brass ones but no brains.
But I admire his balls, if he comes over my district, I will still vote for him.
It's just What he's doing is following the foot steps of Gandhi.
If you read his book you will understand why he puts himself on the line for all of us who dare not speak up, or talk back at our oppressive government. -
Moral of the story: Never make yourself so expandable that flicking you off will not affect the team.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If foreigners can pick up the skill in a couple of months and do the job as well, you have to show your boss why you deserve a higher salary. This story just goes to show that we have to constantly upgrade our skills. Foreign workers may know nuts when they first started, not because they are dumb but because they lack the training opportunities available in Singapore.
Knowing well that you are training these foreign workers to take over your job, you should be undergoing trainng yourself to take over your supervisor's job. The other point in this story is that it is not just about salary. The writer admitted that foreign workers are willing to work much longer hours. If you are not able to do more and still insist on working shorter hours, employers will go for foreigners. If the government bans all foreign workers, employers will move their businesses elsewhere and Singaporeans will lose more.
If you have to learn the hard way , why make it easy for others to pick it up.
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Globalization means opportunities for developing countries and threats for more advanced countries.
Singapore is one of the advanced countries.
The Singapore Government should focus on two important areas:
* education and vocational training, to make sure that local workers have the opportunity to acquire the right skills in dynamic changing economies; and
* well-targeted social safety nets to assist local people who are displaced.
It seems that Singapore Government is focussing on neither.
Singapore Government's focus is unique: Give opportunities to people from developing countries to threaten Singapore born citizens. -
Once again, you speak in tangent to the crux of the issue.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If foreigners can pick up the skill in a couple of months and do the job as well, you have to show your boss why you deserve a higher salary. This story just goes to show that we have to constantly upgrade our skills. Foreign workers may know nuts when they first started, not because they are dumb but because they lack the training opportunities available in Singapore.
Knowing well that you are training these foreign workers to take over your job, you should be undergoing trainng yourself to take over your supervisor's job. The other point in this story is that it is not just about salary. The writer admitted that foreign workers are willing to work much longer hours. If you are not able to do more and still insist on working shorter hours, employers will go for foreigners. If the government bans all foreign workers, employers will move their businesses elsewhere and Singaporeans will lose more.
Just because a FT can learn faster and produce better for a lower pay doesn't automatically imply that locals already hired have instantly become redundant.
This thread is talking about locals who are asked to train new FTs in their workscope and are then unceremoniously dumped because of a wage variance that the company cannot 'afford'. You must be naive to think employers would 'inform' a surbordinate that they are to train FTs for the purpose of being replaced.
If anyone knew that, they would have refused immediately.
So what if an FT can work for longer hours? Since when did longer hours = better worker? If the employee can meet the standards and provide value-add in a shorter time, does that not make him/her a more valued asset? Why waste the OT pay on a worker who completes the task in X+5hr if the local can finish the task in Xhr?
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Of course keeping costs down is important to a business. They are not charities after all. But likewise, businesses are not daft. If a local can contribute more to the business financially despite his higher pay, he is still valued.Originally posted by BillyBong:Once again, you speak in tangent to the crux of the issue.
Just because a FT can learn faster and produce better for a lower pay doesn't automatically imply that locals already hired have instantly become redundant.
This thread is talking about locals who are asked to train new FTs in their workscope and are then unceremoniously dumped because of a wage variance that the company cannot 'afford'. You must be naive to think employers would 'inform' a surbordinate that they are to train FTs for the purpose of being replaced.
If anyone knew that, they would have refused immediately.
So what if an FT can work for longer hours? Since when did longer hours = better worker? If the employee can meet the standards and provide value-add in a shorter time, does that not make him/her a more valued asset? Why waste the OT pay on a worker who completes the task in X+5hr if the local can finish the task in Xhr?
No, the underlying factor to chop workers is WAGE COST and WAGE COST ALONE.
The CEO of Morgan Stanley has been given millions of dollars as bonus this year. Why not hire someone cheaper? Because he can bring in billions to the company.
So you agree that if the local worker is more productive than the foreigner despite his higher pay, it doe snot make sense to replace him. Of course that's right! If the local employee can add more value than the foreign worker, which employer would want to get rid of him? Any business who looks only at the manpower cost without regard to the productivity of the workforce will ultimately lose out in the competitive economy. The fact is, the local employee in question probably does not add more value compared to the cheaper foreign worker.
Btw, employers need not inform employees that if the new foreign worker can perform as well as they do, their jobs would be in jeopardy. That is common sense and is happening in every field. Indian radiologists can read plain X-rays as well as our doctors, so we outsource these X-rays to Bangalore. Our radiologists have to undertake higher value work in therapeutic radiology or be jobless. That's a fact of life. If that happens to the highly trained medical specialist, what makes the ITE graduate so special that he should be exempted from the realities of the global economy? -
Agree with you in a way. There are those who would say that you should not train the new foreign worker then. If that happens, it will create a new industry: companies that provide training for foreign workers. The local worker who is a quick entrepreneur will find that he will not only have a job but a better one.Originally posted by fymk:Moral of the story: Never make yourself so expandable that flicking you off will not affect the team.
If you have to learn the hard way , why make it easy for others to pick it up.
If you want to teach, be a teacher and get paid for it. -
Originally posted by maurizio13:What makes you think OM is a doctor?
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OM is probably a singaporean foreign talent working in another country.
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Wow! Just open the flood gate to FTs recently, so many of our dear singaporeans hve oreli thrown out of jobs.
As i said many months ago,wat the FTs from third world countries can contribute to our economic progress and well being of our citizens besides cost factor i.e our workers and professionals' wages/fees!!!!!