FT took over his job...
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sooner or later there'll be many "quitters" liao
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You do not sack people on a whim, especially since classification of whether an FT is 'better' than a local is subjective. And if you do, and by your arguments, then there are plenty of people in SG that deserve the sack. Yet they are still holding onto their jobs.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Btw, employers need not inform employees that if the new foreign worker can perform as well as they do, their jobs would be in jeopardy. That is common sense and is happening in every field. Indian radiologists can read plain X-rays as well as our doctors, so we outsource these X-rays to Bangalore. Our radiologists have to undertake higher value work in therapeutic radiology or be jobless. That's a fact of life. If that happens to the highly trained medical specialist, what makes the ITE graduate so special that he should be exempted from the realities of the global economy?
Why this strange phenomenon?
Did the radiologists get sacked after the hospital 'experts' decided bangalore specialists could read and diagnose X-rays better than locals? Or did they get a job re-alignment and be re-assigned to other duties?
Surely such high-earners eating away company funds, doing less than satisfactory results compared to mainland Indians who are paid a fraction of their wages should be immediately shown the door?
Isn't it more likely some people are simply better than others in certain fields? Should we then sack all the locals and outsource FTs based on this warped assessment?
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well that is just
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this is inevitability. i think it deserve some form of replacement because at time we can see Singaporean they want stable job. short hrs big pay ... no way ... OT a bit KPKB. they deserve it
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I'm not going to say whether FTs are better than Sillyporeans or not or vice versa...bottom line is that this is the real world and as a businessman, I'd say to Sillyporeans to wake up their bloody ideas and get used to the real ever changing world....
As much as we like to be politically correct and be seen doing the right thing here( you see in the papers when everything that is said is pro Sillyporean)...fact of the matter is that its the survival of the fittest....SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT and I don't mean just retraining just to get a better job and pay....bottomline to all companies in Singapore, whether foreign or local is BOTTOMLINE.....even bus and train companies....
This I can tell for sure....no matter how much we complain about rising costs in transport, food etc.....its still going to go up and up.....for the next few years...to survive is to find out your own niche in the working or business world and I don't mean just retraining and expecting to get paid higher.....question is what is your own unique value add.....this is the sad reality of life in Sillypore, no matter how much comforting words or success stories published in the papers.....many have ventured overseas to work or have quit Sillypore to find greener pastures out there.....or to really suffer and work harder here....its the way to go man... -
so, there is no social responsibility anymore and we should screw everyone and anyone to make an extra buck..
great world to leave your children with.. -
No matter how hard you work or how many days of OTs a Sg person put in, the bosses will always see the 'FT' as better.
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i disagree on all this talk about survival of the fittest, globalisation and whatnot.
the ministers draw a monthly salary of 100k? it is their duty to come up with viable solutions, not the easiest solution.
it is also the duty of the manpower ministry to keep singaporeans gainfully employed.
if the only thing they can do is import FTs and tell us to buck up they might as well resign from their position.
so our govt is paying the ministers big money to make our lives more difficult? -
As much as we like to depend on the gahmen....they can only do so much and the sooner you realize it the better.....who are you anyway? an employee or an employer......widen your horizon and see the realities of life.....have you worked overseas, done business with europe, china and the US...wake up...
Gahmen can only do so much and the rest is for you to find your own way in life...how do you think the people in China and Taiwan and HK survive...
You, like so many Sillyporeans are all the same, still clinging onto the gahmen to solve all your problems.....if you complain they earn so much....go and find a way to earn as much as them if not more....find a way to earn money from the goernment....
That will be the downfall of Sillypore....every damn little thing complain and seek the gahmen for protection....like a little sissy running to his mom's skirt to hide -
Have anyone seen the hunger of graduates in other countries, hunger to strive for the best without the gahmen's help.......how enterprising they are...
I blame it all on the system here...taught to just accept order and do as told....all Sillypore has is efficiency(can do a job well) but no entreprenuerial spirit(think out of the box to make more money)....just go pay a visit to Taiwan or China or even the US and see what the entreprenuers are up to -
i can see you talk very big.Originally posted by Coquitlam:As much as we like to depend on the gahmen....they can only do so much and the sooner you realize it the better.....who are you anyway? an employee or an employer......widen your horizon and see the realities of life.....have you worked overseas, done business with europe, china and the US...wake up...
Gahmen can only do so much and the rest is for you to find your own way in life...how do you think the people in China and Taiwan and HK survive...
You, like so many Sillyporeans are all the same, still clinging onto the gahmen to solve all your problems.....if you complain they earn so much....go and find a way to earn as much as them if not more....find a way to earn money from the goernment....
That will be the downfall of Sillypore....every damn little thing complain and seek the gahmen for protection....like a little sissy running to his mom's skirt to hide
hopefully your business wont fail. -
Or NTUC spin off something similar to his business and simply compete till his pants drop off loh...Originally posted by dragg:i can see you talk very big.
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well, i'm not asking for whatever..
may i ask those who keep taking the side of the employers one thing...
what if you were retrenched?
what if you were in the shoes of the poor sod who trained the very FTs and got retrenched?
what if you did all you could and still got replaced by the FTs?
don't tell me that "survival of the fittest" craptrap... because we, as humans, evolved beyond animals...
everyone needs a helping hand occasionally.. we could do better when a person is down and out than to have people kick him in that predicament...
in the other countries, there are unions, workers' rights, and a lot more to make sure the little guy gets a fair shake... here, the union is in bed with the gabrament, the laws protect the corporations from the workers, the little guy doesn't have much recourse if the corporates decide to cast them aside...
like i said, it's a great world to leave your children with...
besides, if a gabrament is not willing to do its sacred duty, and that is to look out for its people, then the gabrament isn't worth spit..
and get with the plan! we are not asking for people to be mollycoddled.. a fair shake is all that is asked for...
or in the pursuit of profit and "progress", our dignity and our humanity has taken a backseat? if it is, heck.. back to that again, it's a great bloody world to leave for your children.. -
Yeah hopefully it won't fail but I am not blind to the fact that it may fail....
Someone who think he cannot fail is the one talking big...
There are many of us who choose to get out of our comfort zone and take some risks in life.....are u one of them....btw my business is not a big business.....just a small one to keep me going and to have some satisfaction in life.... -
they talk about comfort zones.. have the bloody gabrament taken a step out of the comfort zone themselves and served the people correctly for a change?
have corporations taken a step out of their comfort zones and taken on social responsibility instead of a maniac pursuit for profit for a change?
i look at the corporations we have which should have been Public Services from the start, and i wonder... corporates like SBST and SMRT are essential public services and are making obscene profits...
they "answer to shareholders" which get maybe a $0.10 dividend extra but were screwed for increased fares??
nevermind... there are many ways to screw the public...
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he is acting like he is damn special just because he has the experience of working overseas, done business with europe, china and US.
he thinks that gives him the the right to brand other people as sillyporeans, sissy.
it also gives him the right to ask others to wake up and widen their horizons.
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on the contrary... he shames himself...
a person who has worked abroad, who has seen some things takes it as if he has seen the world... but has seen just a little bit..
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I wonder if FTs can replace our ministers and take a pay cut of 50%?Originally posted by dragg:i disagree on all this talk about survival of the fittest, globalisation and whatnot.
the ministers draw a monthly salary of 100k? it is their duty to come up with viable solutions, not the easiest solution.
it is also the duty of the manpower ministry to keep singaporeans gainfully employed.
if the only thing they can do is import FTs and tell us to buck up they might as well resign from their position.
so our govt is paying the ministers big money to make our lives more difficult?
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Not everyone is fortunate enough to ever be able to own a company,
Not everyone is fortunate enough to work above the level of the pawn,
If some people have good fortune, it is best to learn humility and know there are many people struggling and trying to make ends meet only to be told the govt takes no responsibility for the current environment they created and the employers are free to fire anyone on any basis.
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frankly i dont see why not.Originally posted by ditzy:I wonder if FTs can replace our ministers and take a pay cut of 50%?
afterall the solutions they came up with arent solving the problems at all.
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90% cut and the FT would be happy beyond the world and will still be swimming in luxury.Originally posted by ditzy:I wonder if FTs can replace our ministers and take a pay cut of 50%? -
I think anyone who has come out of his/her shell and seen the world has seen lots......try running a business yourself where you have to worry where the next business deal is going to come from.....
When you are employee, you worry only about your own specfic scope of work. When you run your own business, you have to take care of logistics, accounts, sales, marketing, everything....
Yeah I've worked overseas and done some business with overseas companies as an employee and employer....
I'd say this to Sillyporeans....buck up or get eaten by FTs....yes we all need a helping hand and what we as business people do is try to create jobs for employees like you..but fact of the matter is life is getting tough here....IF you say you are employee, think for a moment where your company gets the money to pay your salary...think very hard...
We don't agree with the gahmen and that I do agree....but what can you do...speak up more, incite a riot, break into the MPs' homes and steal their money, act like robin hood.....C'mon get real....Yes its human to complain but stop after a while and work for your own success instead of griping about how much MPs earn...why don't you run for parliament????
Sillyporeans, when will they ever learn that its tougher in Vietnam, China, Thailand..... -
Not everyone is fortunate enough to ever be able to own a company,
Not everyone is fortunate enough to work above the level of the pawn,
If some people have good fortune, it is best to learn humility and know there are many people struggling and trying to make ends meet only to be told the govt takes no responsibility for the current environment they created and the employers are free to fire anyone on any basis.
As said, the rail tracks are the only option for a lot of people.
Hmmm, Owning your own company doesn't mean you are above a pawn....a pawn can just quit when he/she is not happy....a businessman is stuck with the commitment he/she made to the business....I tell you an employer has to work even harder than an employee....
Never said we business people are proud...uptight and tense yes, but not proud.....
Yes I do agree that gahmen does nothing sometimes....and it irks me to see JC gals who have an uncaring elite face...and that's only because she does not need to work for her riches...provided by daddy who has lost touch with is constituents...
All I am saying is stop griping and start thinking out of the box....TRY even if not all of us are going to be sim wong woos or nanz chongs...our business may even end up quarter as successful but its still better than seeing these people who earn lots and do nothing for it...
These people irk me too...like some MP who said he didn't know there were so many poor people around until he started doing grassroots work...sigh...these people have really lost touch -
think out of the box for a moment!!
listen to your own counsel!!
economics which we are following is wrong..
besides, if you follow your dog-eat-dog philosophy the world becomes a bleak place
again, ask this: do you want your child to inherit this type of world?
and don't tell be because everyone else is doing it so you have to.. we are all going to lower ourselves to the Lowest Common Denominator?
it's what everyone says.. because the other guy licks the ass of his superiors and gets promoted, i will go lick the superior's ass too.... that's what this is tantamount to..
a simple "singaporeans first" policy isn't hard.. heck, in many countries they have that..
the pursuit of profit and "growth" has to have a reason.. it is not a reason in itself...
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The Ministry of Manpower isn't doing anything coz they r not the ones who tinker with policies. They just regulate labour. If anything must be done, I think it will be if written to the Prime Minister's Office.
However, if your letter is just to complain about your job being taken over by an FT, you can forget about them sitting up to take note.
However, if you not only can highlight the problem AND propose viable alternatives to solve the problem and highlight the potential benefits of your proposals, it might get you notices lor....... Good luck!