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Am not asking everyone here to adopt a dog eat dog world....if you have seen all my replies....its to adopt a self reliant philosophy where we don't expect handouts but if comes along, then all well and good. Heck I'd be happy if there is a progress package every year, will you be happy? I'm sure you will.
I also said its ok to complain but do not over do it...I've seen many who just complain and do not do anything to improve their own lot in life....
As you can see, business people are self reliant....I agree that not all will succeed and not all were born to be a business minded person....ALL I AM SAYING IS GET A MOVE ON AND THINK OF SOME WAY TO EARN A LITTLE EXTRA....If you have a business mind then you will know what I am talkiing about...IF you are an employee, then work smarter like taking on more than one job....
You go to China and you see the hunger and drive in their eyes....sadly majority of Sillyporeans do not have it and since we are on the topic and since our gahmen has been busy going to the middle east recently...you should see the determination of the average middle easterners...ready to do business and make their lives more bearable.....
Look at our own home grown Charles & Keith.....2 Ang Mo Kio bros who made good selling shoes to Egypt and making tonnes of money.....not that everyone will be like them as I said....just to make a little more by taking some risks.... -
no one asked for hand outs. people just want level playing field...
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I agree drive plays a role but we still need to ask the fundamental question, why are entrepreneurs not as good as those in Taiwan or Hong Kong? Does the enviroment and policies play no role?Originally posted by Coquitlam:You go to China and you see the hunger and drive in their eyes....sadly majority of Sillyporeans do not have it and since we are on the topic and since our gahmen has been busy going to the middle east recently...you should see the determination of the average middle easterners...ready to do business and make their lives more bearable.....
Look at our own home grown Charles & Keith.....2 Ang Mo Kio bros who made good selling shoes to Egypt and making tonnes of money.....not that everyone will be like them as I said....just to make a little more by taking some risks....
The government created a scholar-elite culture that places more importance in getting academic results than developing other skills. This indirectly shapes how parents bring up their child, the peer expectation of their children. I think its quite rare to hear someone aspiring to strike out on their own.
The other thing is the cost of doing small business in Singapore. Its quite costly to advertise in the Straits times because it has no competition for classified ads.(The price of state control press). Billboards in some obscure unknown area can cost up to $900-$1200 a month in Singapore. In Taiwan where billboard are plastered all over the country, it is definitelymuch cheaper. Business broadband used to cost $150/month. In Taiwan, it would have been easier to access wireless broadband at $18 a month.
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Level playing field some times possible and is evident....level playing field most of the time possible but not likely......level playing field all the time....NOT POSSIBLE.....c'mon as people say...GET REAL.....you think you live in utopia where everything is fine and dandy and everyone has an equal chance...
You read the papers and you read about all the so called meritocracy in our society.....end of the day its all about connections...
If you do business with a billion people a.k.a CHINA...you know there is no level playing field...my dear, there is such a thing called GUANXI.....connections, move in the right circle my friend....
You may get a level playing field in sillypore that I agree...but move out of the 664 square metres you call home here and it ain't a pretty sight anymore....
Globalization is here to stay and we'll boil to death if we don't push harder...unless of course there may be some content with being an accounts executive or technician...then ok...it will be a fine and dandy world....
Ignore globalization at your own risk....you've seen how many have complained about things in general here and seen the response a.k.a the uncaring elite face of the upper class...frankly she can go and die for all I care but fact is she will survive even though many of us will complain.....
Like me, I've decided to go far and wide, of course not forgetting there are also opportunities at home to make money and create jobs for locals...time for all of us to just get out of our shells -
Precisely.
They are making money in every thing that we undertake.
Just go look at their policies for Medisave for Self-employed, as an example.
Their attitude is like those shops in Sim Lim Square; once they sold you the goods, it's none of their business, they absolve themsleves of all responsibility whether you live or die! -
Globalisation is indeed real.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Level playing field some times possible and is evident....level playing field most of the time possible but not likely......level playing field all the time....NOT POSSIBLE.....c'mon as people say...GET REAL.....you think you live in utopia where everything is fine and dandy and everyone has an equal chance...
You read the papers and you read about all the so called meritocracy in our society.....end of the day its all about connections...
If you do business with a billion people a.k.a CHINA...you know there is no level playing field...my dear, there is such a thing called GUANXI.....connections, move in the right circle my friend....
You may get a level playing field in sillypore that I agree...but move out of the 664 square metres you call home here and it ain't a pretty sight anymore....
Globalization is here to stay and we'll boil to death if we don't push harder...unless of course there may be some content with being an accounts executive or technician...then ok...it will be a fine and dandy world....
Ignore globalization at your own risk....you've seen how many have complained about things in general here and seen the response a.k.a the uncaring elite face of the upper class...frankly she can go and die for all I care but fact is she will survive even though many of us will complain.....
Like me, I've decided to go far and wide, of course not forgetting there are also opportunities at home to make money and create jobs for locals...time for all of us to just get out of our shells
But we are all these while pushing harder but for WHO???
You think ourselves??
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Originally posted by BillyBong:
You do not sack people on a whim, it's based on their performance and value to the organization. I cannot speak for the bosses who still want to keep their deadwood floating around but these companies will lose out eventually in the rat race. The economy will prune them away.
You do not sack people on a whim, especially since classification of whether an FT is 'better' than a local is subjective. And if you do, and by your arguments, then there are plenty of people in SG that deserve the sack. Yet they are still holding onto their jobs.Did the radiologists get sacked after the hospital 'experts' decided bangalore specialists could read and diagnose X-rays better than locals? Or did they get a job re-alignment and be re-assigned to other duties?
It is not true that bangalore radiologists are better, but they are cheaper and can provide an acceptable level of quality.With the business gone to India, the government does not need so many radiologists, so recruitment is cut down. Existing radiologists undergo re-training to handle higher value work such as therapeutic radiolology. If anyone is unable to upgrade and switch to a new field, they will not be able to find a job and have to go further afield where their skills are still needed.Surely such high-earners eating away company funds, doing less than satisfactory results compared to mainland Indians who are paid a fraction of their wages should be immediately shown the door?
If the boss is like Shtterbug, he will keep them as a matter of principle. He can run his business anyway he likes, but those who are not competitive will be pushed out eventually.Isn't it more likely some people are simply better than others in certain fields? Should we then sack all the locals and outsource FTs based on this warped assessment?
This is business, not charity. If you are a talented singer but not good with figures, you have no place working as an accountant. Employers don't care about how good you are in 'certain fields'. If your area of expertise is not needed for the business, why should anyone care?
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Your opinions are too close to pap for comfort... Globalization blah blah blah.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Level playing field some times possible and is evident....level playing field most of the time possible but not likely......level playing field all the time....NOT POSSIBLE.....c'mon as people say...GET REAL.....you think you live in utopia where everything is fine and dandy and everyone has an equal chance...
You read the papers and you read about all the so called meritocracy in our society.....end of the day its all about connections...
If you do business with a billion people a.k.a CHINA...you know there is no level playing field...my dear, there is such a thing called GUANXI.....connections, move in the right circle my friend....
You may get a level playing field in sillypore that I agree...but move out of the 664 square metres you call home here and it ain't a pretty sight anymore....
Globalization is here to stay and we'll boil to death if we don't push harder...unless of course there may be some content with being an accounts executive or technician...then ok...it will be a fine and dandy world....
Ignore globalization at your own risk....you've seen how many have complained about things in general here and seen the response a.k.a the uncaring elite face of the upper class...frankly she can go and die for all I care but fact is she will survive even though many of us will complain.....
Like me, I've decided to go far and wide, of course not forgetting there are also opportunities at home to make money and create jobs for locals.
.time for all of us to just get out of our shells
I guess you support the GLCs overcharging of the small business. I can say its
50% more expensive to ship the same parcel from Singapore to Japan than from Japan to Singapore than
Its globalization dont expect a level field. Lets support these GLCs to overcharge the local business to maintain their profits
Costly business broadband holds Singapore back
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Me too close too pap?? You gotta be joking...I just run some my own little itsy bitsy business......used to complain lots last time but very much just working hard these days.....complained less...no point...do we see a change in party? Nope...that's why I gave up....
Just work hard....take more risks hoping it will pay off and think in terms of other countries' markets to work with and hopefully save enough so that I can spend in my adopted country Canada...... -
Tsk tsk...quoting an obviously biased anti-government, pro-gay website..Originally posted by kilua:Your opinions are too close to pap for comfort... Globalization blah blah blah.
I guess you support the GLCs overcharging of the small business. I can say its
50% more expensive to ship the same parcel from Singapore to Japan than from Japan to Singapore than
Its globalization dont expect a level field. Lets support these GLCs to overcharge the local business to maintain their profits
Costly business broadband holds Singapore back
http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2005/yax-482.htm
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Can compare pay?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Tsk tsk...quoting an obviously biased anti-government, pro-gay website..
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Can?
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Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Yes, I support locals. But if I find any dead-weights in my company - they will be expelled most unceremoniously.
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If the boss is like Shtterbug, he will keep them as a matter of principle. He can run his business anyway he likes, but those who are not competitive will be pushed out eventually. b] -
self-reliance.. yes..
however, if you do not give the person a fair chance at it, how is he going to become self-reliant?
look at the fella who was retrenched... he taught the FTs and then got retrenched..
no one will give him a job.. if he wants to put food on the table of his family, he's going to go flip burgers... he is much more qualified than that... and at his age, he is unable to get further qualifications without time which will make him too old for people to go hire him...
what will he do? go start a business for the GLCs to wipe him out? because i've seen that...
continue to flip burgers? maybe.. i would if i had a family to feed..
back to the employer.. did he have to hire the cheaper FTs? he was doing fine with the local dude.. but for the sake of profit, he retrenched the local dude..
dog eat dog.. isn't this what it is?
i would take this to another complaint we see from corporates... they lament the lack of loyalty in the workforce... well, if the corporates do not want to look after their staff, do not expect their staff to look out for the corporate...
ultimately, what the heck are we trying to do? has the accumulation of profit become the be-all and end-all?
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but he argues on facts. Broadband for 512Kps cost only $30 for Home user... i am still stuck on a $150/month plan.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Tsk tsk...quoting an obviously biased anti-government, pro-gay website..
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f the boss is like Shtterbug, he will keep them as a matter of principle. He can run his business anyway he likes, but those who are not competitive will be pushed out eventually.
this is exactly where the manpower ministry must do something.
they shouldnt use globalisation as an excuse and let the foreigners come in take jobs away.
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Mr Bear hath spoken my thoughts......Originally posted by the Bear:self-reliance.. yes..
however, if you do not give the person a fair chance at it, how is he going to become self-reliant?
look at the fella who was retrenched... he taught the FTs and then got retrenched..
no one will give him a job.. if he wants to put food on the table of his family, he's going to go flip burgers... he is much more qualified than that... and at his age, he is unable to get further qualifications without time which will make him too old for people to go hire him...
what will he do? go start a business for the GLCs to wipe him out? because i've seen that...
continue to flip burgers? maybe.. i would if i had a family to feed..
back to the employer.. did he have to hire the cheaper FTs? he was doing fine with the local dude.. but for the sake of profit, he retrenched the local dude..
dog eat dog.. isn't this what it is?
i would take this to another complaint we see from corporates... they lament the lack of loyalty in the workforce... well, if the corporates do not want to look after their staff, do not expect their staff to look out for the corporate...
ultimately, what the heck are we trying to do? has the accumulation of profit become the be-all and end-all?
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And how creditable is your response? How does being 'gay' fit into this argument? Does being gay bias all one's suggestions? Is it a crime to be gay?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Tsk tsk...quoting an obviously biased anti-government, pro-gay website..
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It seems you read too little of Alex Au's blogs, for he has published full page articles by people who completely disagree with him (pro-govt so to speak).
And in this regard, aren't your petty comments mirroring those who label you govt' lackey?
Whether he's gay or not is of no significance. Many of his articles have struck home and hit the very crux of the rotten egg. His command and articulation of the language is masterful and humorous.
Perhaps you should review some of the articles he has written for gay's rights and you might get a peek into the underhanded and devious tactics our boys in blue practice when exercising their authority against the local gay population.
And given the insightful observations he has made, it is not surprising that the MDA intends to pass legislation to provide powers of censure against such bloggers.
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Your post reminds me of the emporium tycoon who went bankrupt, but made a comeback and the first thing he did was pay tribute to the staff who stood by him back when his chips were down.Originally posted by the Bear:i would take this to another complaint we see from corporates... they lament the lack of loyalty in the workforce... well, if the corporates do not want to look after their staff, do not expect their staff to look out for the corporate...
ultimately, what the heck are we trying to do? has the accumulation of profit become the be-all and end-all?
if so, the country is doomed..
This is simply something that will NOT happen in today's world.
We're certainly not asking for charity and i personally abhor freeriders, but to be dumped in favour of cheaper labour to cut operating costs leaves a sour taste in the mouth. -
the reason why some people are speaking for the govt is because they are employers. the influx of foreign workers benefit them.
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You can get 512kbps for $30 a month from Singtel what:Originally posted by kilua:but he argues on facts. Broadband for 512Kps cost only $30 for Home user... i am still stuck on a $150/month plan.
http://www.singnet.com.sg/plans_and_services/broadband/snbb.asp?snbb=KOatl
But I agree the prices can even be lower. I heard the argument that it is related to the fact that most websites surfed at in the US and possibly Europe rather than in Singapore. Not sure about that but I think with more competition prices will drop. If they bring in Wi-Max, there will not be a need for existing infrastructure and other ISPs won't have to pay Singtel for the telephone lines. Prices should drop further. -
yes yes...i've heard it all. Sack the lot if they've outlived their usefulness. That's an elite 'meritocractic' talking.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:This is business, not charity. If you are a talented singer but not good with figures, you have no place working as an accountant. Employers don't care about how good you are in 'certain fields'. If your area of expertise is not needed for the business, why should anyone care?
All you've given are a bunch of motherhood statements. Your straight-talking works fine now, but when face-to-face, will you have the same courage to tell an employee that he's to be let off, especially the senior staff?
Even the FTs who form a queue for replacements are seldom up to the mark, even if they are cheaper. There is always something they lack, be it language barrier or a willingness to do overtime.
Even the stone-cold managers i knew went soft when they had to handle people who couldn't cope with the new changes; they preferred to isolate them in the hopes that they resign on their own, a simple but effective ploy.
The other alternative is to absorb the MVC of locals who are underperforming as a warning to buck up or ship out.
The only real reason why people are terminated with immediate effect is either pure incompetence or violation of company policies.
Otherwise, the reason why terminations are rare, is simply because it's the hardest thing to do, especially if the grounds are contentious. Not measuring up to an FT who works more for less is certainly not valid grounds for termination. With FTs, one can always lower the wage to rock bottom and they will still take the job becuase the exchange rate for most are still favourable.
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If u earned S$800 pm n yr bus fare cost u S$4 and yr 3 meals cost u S$12 per days ,u go home elect n water bills cost u S$200pm, will u like 2 work????u left with S$120 2 smoke cig worst than a begger loh!!!!
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The world is becoming dog eat dog world. If I have children, I will tell them that if they do not buck up , there will be plenty of people to step on their faces to move up the ladder above them. I am not telling them that they live in the beautiful fairytale of how wonderful the world is - the world is nasty because of people who exploit people. I once lived in one wonderful fairy tale named Singapore and I am not having them live in a bubble like I did.Originally posted by the Bear:think out of the box for a moment!!
listen to your own counsel!!
economics which we are following is wrong..
besides, if you follow your dog-eat-dog philosophy the world becomes a bleak place
again, ask this: do you want your child to inherit this type of world?
and don't tell be because everyone else is doing it so you have to.. we are all going to lower ourselves to the Lowest Common Denominator?
it's what everyone says.. because the other guy licks the ass of his superiors and gets promoted, i will go lick the superior's ass too.... that's what this is tantamount to..
a simple "singaporeans first" policy isn't hard.. heck, in many countries they have that..
the pursuit of profit and "growth" has to have a reason.. it is not a reason in itself...
if it is, your humanity is lost... just like many others' humanity out there..
However I will also teach them that when in power, dole out a bit of fairness all around if they can and always keep their conscience clear because ultimately they are answerable for their own actions.
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This is because our gov runs this country just like a large MNC; in a sense that if any locals cannot catch up, he/she/they either die financially, immigrate, or remains in financial strife.Originally posted by fymk:Most countries have their locals first . Just that Singapore does not.
They aren't afraid of us, and they aren't afraid of losing support because they are wooing more foreigners in to become supporters - fresh citizens.
Is this the kind of gov we want to continue voting for???
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Yup it's true....
No doubt many of us(including myself have left Sillypore).....there is always a way out for the powers that be here....just simple replacement....
Simple solution is to augment the locals here by converting some of the PRs here to be citizens....simple as that
This is the real world as I have mentioned....wake up your ideas and start fending for yourself...expect nothing and work hard....if the odd bonus package comes along...fine and good....else work smart and think like the mainland chinese and honkies......see the drive in them to succeed....like a fire in their eyes....
Sillyporeans do indeed have a good life I do not deny but for how long....used to be that the lower income class used to complain but if you read the papers carefully.....the next wave of complainers will be from the middle class....
Want to know how the powers that be spend your money?
Simple....just go to www.gebiz.gov.sg and download the attachments...
some even call for crash courses in English for PRC students in the public schools here....why??? to make them citizens to compete against you...