Is Australia a Racist Country?
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
Former US president Richard Nixon called then-Indian prime minister Indira Gandhi an "old witch" and Indians a "slippery treacherous people", according to released transcripts of Oval Office tapes.
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The comments were made during a private conversation between Nixon and his national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, and Mr Kissinger appeared to support his views.
"We really slobbered over the old witch," Nixon told Mr Kissinger of his meeting with Gandhi the previous day.
"While she was a biitch, we got what we wanted too," Mr Kissinger said. "She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn't give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war."
Gandhi had come to Washington to discuss the growing possibility of war with neighbouring Pakistan. At the time, the United States was allied with Pakistan and saw India as too closely allied with the Soviet Union.
Indians are "a slippery, treacherous people," Nixon said.
"The Indians are bastards anyway," Mr Kissinger replied. "They are the most aggressive goddamn people around."
The transcripts and other newly declassified documents were released yesterday as part of a state department collection of significant documents on UN foreign policy. They cover the build up to the 1971 India-Pakistan war, which led to the creation of Bangladesh.
Other papers reveal US concerns that India was developing nuclear technology, and chart US contacts with China. Nixon asked China to use military force on its border with India to intimidate New Delhi, but the Chinese declined. -
We are not defending Australia you goondu. I am quoting the 60s racial riots to show you that Singapore's policies are effective and that Australia has taken it's first baby steps too. I am responding to your dumb post of whether people will take to a policy change immediately.Originally posted by Gazelle:Surprise to see so many Singaporeans defending Austrlian isnt it? Some even quote about Singapore 60s riots and racial jokes to justify that Australia is a young country and the Sydney 2005 Cronulla riots is expected.
I am beginning to wonder if globalisation is starting to making more Singaporeans to believe that White people culture are great while yellow skin Asians sucks?
Do they really think that by being an Australian citizen, they will be part of the Aussie culture?
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY OK? I somehow suspect you have a problem of understanding simple English. Perhaps I should simplify it further.
You say Australia change policy won't help. Singapore introduce policy after 1964, it helped to a certain extend. Isn't Singapore enjoying racial harmony now? Stop your pathetic comments.
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Stop dredging out new points when you have yet to defend your old ones. Anyway what are you trying to say by quoting from others? Can you give us a summary and the exact point about what you are saying to tell us?Originally posted by Gazelle:Abstract from http://www.anu.edu.au/NEC/dunn_paper.pdf
There is a general dearth of concrete evidence as to the extent of racism in
Australia. This paper reports on research into the extent and distribution of intolerant attitudes in Australia, as well as data on the reported experience of racism. A telephone survey of residents throughout the states of Queensland and NSW generated a completed sample of 5056. The constructs of racism that were tested included: tolerance of cultural difference, perceptions on the extent of racism, tolerance of specific groups, ideology of nation, perceptions of Anglo-Celt cultural privilege, and racialism, including separatism and hierarchy. Findings suggest a substantive degree of racism in Australia. Anti-Muslim sentiment is very strong. There is a persistence of intolerance against Asian-, Indigenous and Jewish Australians. Most Australians recognise the problem of racism, yet less than half recognise the cultural privileges that racism accords. Racist attitudes are positively associated with age, non-tertiary education, and to a slightly lesser extent with those who do not speak a language other than English, the Australia-born, and with males. About 15 percent of Australians have experienced racism within institutional settings like the workplace and in education. About one-quarter of Australians report the experience of ‘everyday racisms’. Reporting experiences of racism was higher among indigenous Australians, those speaking a language other than English, those born overseas (excluding UK and NZ), and males. While racism is quite prevalent in Australian society its manifestation is everywhere different. Locally sensitive anti-racism initiatives are required to engage the racisms within Australian society.
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Originally posted by bangkokboy:
The white australian policy was "abolished" in the early 70s and the last major racial riot in Australia was in 2005. I am not sure how can that be compared to the progress Singapore has made? Or is there about double standard when you talk about white people?
We are not defending Australia you goondu. I am quoting the 60s racial riots to show you that Singapore's policies are effective and that Australia has taken it's first baby steps too. I am responding to your dumb post of whether people will take to a policy change immediately.
[b]PLEASE READ CAREFULLY OK? I somehow suspect you have a problem of understanding simple English. Perhaps I should simplify it further.
You say Australia change policy won't help. Singapore introduce policy after 1964, it helped to a certain extend. Isn't Singapore enjoying racial harmony now? Stop your pathetic comments.
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If you cannot summarise, I can summarise what this topic is actually about.
After experiencing rejection from Australia, you hope to soothe your already inflated ego by telling yourself that you are one lucky guy not to be an Australian PR as you will not be able to be a first-class citizen that you are in Singapore.
So, on you go on the warpath trying to tell everyone that FYMK has made a horrendous decision. First you ask us to give you opinions.
When FYMK (now residing in Australia) joined in the discussion, you commented:
What is your view on racism in Australia?
High, Medium, Low?
Based on your above statement, you naturally assumed that FYMK will come to the defense of Australia thus is unable to give a neutral point of view. Hence you seek the opinions of fellow Singaporeans. Your agenda from hence on was to expose the "dark side'' of Australia. You will thus ignore everything else that is happening in the world. Only Australia.
fymk, I would rather that you dont participate in this thread because we knows that you are not capable to having a discussion on the "dark side" of australia
However once you starting losing grip of things, you remarked:Bangkokboy, you dont live in Australia, you are not an australian and obviously not an Aussie. I am not expecting alot from you.
Obviously we are saying things that you do not like to hear. What do you want Gazelle? Please tell us as we are all at a lost. Since you don't want feedback from someone residing in Australia, you don't want it from a Singaporean, I am now wondering whose opinion do you seek? -
Would you rather have it that Australia did nothing? Perhaps you have a better suggestion?Originally posted by Gazelle:The white australian policy was "abolished" in the early 70s and the last major racial riot in Australia was in 2005. I am not sure how can that be compared to the progress Singapore has made? Or is there about double standard when you talk about white people?
Obviously something sparked off the riots. It only takes a spark to get the fire going... read carefully and understand what sparked off the riot my dear friend.
We also must not forget that numerous Australians perished in the 2002 Bali bombing by extremist islamic fractions, as well as other bombings in Indonesia that affected Australians. Some people in Australia obviously has some personal grievances against the islamic extremist. To take it out against innocent muslims is of course very wrong, and those minorities should be punished. Just leave the majorities out of it... -
Perhaps Singapore is free of racism? If that is the case, I have nothing to say and I wish you all the best in your attack on Australia. Have fun.Originally posted by Gazelle:The white australian policy was "abolished" in the early 70s and the last major racial riot in Australia was in 2005. I am not sure how can that be compared to the progress Singapore has made? Or is there about double standard when you talk about white people?
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It's not about white people. They are people too. Beneath the skin color, we all have the red blood running through. You also seem to easily forget that Australia has an asian population as well as people of other races.Originally posted by Gazelle:The white australian policy was "abolished" in the early 70s and the last major racial riot in Australia was in 2005. I am not sure how can that be compared to the progress Singapore has made? Or is there about double standard when you talk about white people?
I am being fair to a country which adopted me . Why should I not defend it? I live there and you don't. If you view Australia as a terrible place, why did you even claim to have property there? Why bothering investing in a country you think is plainly racist? Just to show off the minulescale riches you have? BS. You just cannot get in through the door and you are vandalising the door so that others cannot be more successful than you.
If you perceive that as double standard , too bad for you. You seem to be the one who has the double standard.
At least the Australian media is not afraid to deny Australia has her own set of problems ....media is not controlled by the government to sweep the dust and dirt under the carpet. They are free to voice their opinions in any way they like. -
Originally posted by fymk:
fymk, I am glad you admit that you are bias
It's not about white people. They are people too. Beneath the skin color, we all have the red blood running through. You also seem to easily forget that Australia has an asian population as well as people of other races.
I am being fair to a country which adopted me . Why should I not defend it? I live there and you don't. [b] If you view Australia as a terrible place, why did you even claim to have property there? Why bothering investing in a country you think is plainly racist? Just to show off the minulescale riches you have? BS. You just cannot get in through the door and you are vandalising the door so that others cannot be more successful than you.
If you perceive that as double standard , too bad for you. You seem to be the one who has the double standard.
At least the Australian media is not afraid to deny Australia has her own set of problems ....media is not controlled by the government to sweep the dust and dirt under the carpet. They are free to voice their opinions in any way they like. [/b] -
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OMG. Do you even know what is a nationalist? They are in every sense an extremist. If you consider a minority voice as a majority, Singapore is a damn racist country too cause we do have racist bloggers do we not? But we are not because we know it is a minority voice, most Singaporeans practise racial tolerance...Originally posted by Gazelle:
Anyway I can see you are avoiding my points again. Please answer them or we take it as you avoiding the topic on the whole.
Ok anyway I am going for a short trip, hope you continue your fun in blasting Australia and making yourself look silly.
I must say you are spending alot of time digging up news about Australia. Why don't you spend more constructive time thinking what will happen to your property in Australia... perhaps it is now covered in vandalism saying,'' go back home yellow sh.it.." since you are portraying Australia in such a bad light... who knows... they might even revise the policy to throw out all foreign investment by asians...
I don't know what is your issue with fymk and australia, but really, please stop making yourself look silly. Cheers and happy holidays. -
I have stayed in Singapore for many years and I have stayed in Australia for quite some time now. I am just being objective and I stated the facts.Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk, I am glad you admit that you are bias
However I am beginning to believe that you may be suffering from what many Singaporeans termed as the green eye or the red eye disease . -
What is your objective? To cover up and avoid talking about the dark side of australia?Originally posted by fymk:I have stayed in Singapore for many years and I have stayed in Australia for quite some time now. I am just being objective and I stated the facts. -
My objective is to make sure it stays objective.Originally posted by Gazelle:What is your objective? To cover up and avoid talking about the bad things of australia?
You have 2 choices:
1. Continue to make yourself look stupid. You are arguing with someone who lives in Australia when you have not lived there as a resident to comment on anything.
OR
2. Just back off and talk about something else that you might know more about like the packaging industry or tin cans.
Remember hor ...empty tin cans makes the most noise and I am sure you know that only too well -
bottomline: why whack another's country for being racist? So what if the country is racist? Does it affect Singapore?
If you wanna talk about racism talk about Singapore first lah. We dun have as bad a situation as Aussie. But What can we improve over in SG...you'll be surprised of the lack of understanding between the races about the other's race and religion... -
Are you saying it will be ok for some "Aussie" to criticize your country, while it is wrong to talk about a white man's land?Originally posted by Wakus:bottomline: why whack another's country for being racist? So what if the country is racist? Does it affect Singapore?
If you wanna talk about racism talk about Singapore first lah. We dun have as bad a situation as Aussie. But What can we improve over in SG...you'll be surprised of the lack of understanding between the races about the other's race and religion...
I am glad you are aware the racism situation in australia is bad. -
No one is saying that it is alright for an Aussie to criticise us on the basis of race.Originally posted by Gazelle:Are you saying it will be ok for some "Aussie" to criticize your country, while it is wrong to talk about a white man's land?
I am glad you are aware the racism situation in australia is bad.
At the same time, before we start talking about the actions of others, it would do us all a lot of good to look at the antics of some racist Singaporeans first. We can't be going around criticising other people's houses when our own house is not fully in order. -
I think there is a difference between cristicising their race and their attitute towards immigrants and other races.Originally posted by fudgester:No one is saying that it is alright for an Aussie to criticise us on the basis of race.
At the same time, before we start talking about the actions of others, it would do us all a lot of good to look at the antics of some racist Singaporeans first. We can't be going around criticising other people's houses when our own house is not fully in order.
Singapore's achievement in racial harmony is 2nd to non, especially if you consider our short history, geographical location and multiculture society. -
So who are you referring to as the some "Aussie". urm hope you are not referring to me because today I just checked - my passport is still Singaporean and valid for travel.Originally posted by Gazelle:Are you saying it will be ok for some "Aussie" to criticize your country, while it is wrong to talk about a white man's land?
I am glad you are aware the racism situation in australia is bad.
And I quote Jame Baldwin's quote "I love America more than any other nation in the world and for that reason, I reserve the right to criticize her perpetually."
So I actually love Singapore more than any country in the world and for that reason , I reserve the right to criticise her perpertually.
I just wonder why Lionnoisy and Gazelle are attacking Australia when they don't even live there ? Both must be rejects from the Australian migration scheme... -
Originally posted by fymk:
Even if you are holding on to a australian passport, that doesnt mean you are qualify to be an Aussie. right lee?
So who are you referring to as the some "Aussie". urm hope you are not referring to me because today I just checked - my passport is still Singaporean and valid for travel.
And I quote Jame Baldwin's quote "I love America more than any other nation in the world and for that reason, I reserve the right to criticize her perpetually."
So I actually love Singapore more than any country in the world and for that reason , I reserve the right to criticise her perpertually.
I just wonder why Lionnoisy and Gazelle are attacking Australia when they [b] don't even live there ? Both must be rejects from the Australian migration scheme...
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It is still an indication Spore still had it share of racist.Originally posted by asdfzhao:whatever he has siad is true no doubt,
but lets take a look at the 9 11 events
there was discrimination against muslim minorities in many area,
including singapore
they had thier fair share of racial riots
so did singapore
they discriminate people openly
same thing in singapore
ever heard people telling each other racist jokes? the 2 blogs that got closed 4 racist remarks? -
UN demand more action from Australia to reduce racial discrimination
http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/0/7606EE3348E2E4FA802568AB003D8D40?opendocument -
The report is issued in 2000. I hoped the UN issued this to Indonesia.Originally posted by Gazelle:UN demand more action from Australia to reduce racial discrimination
http://www.unhchr.ch/huricane/huricane.nsf/0/7606EE3348E2E4FA802568AB003D8D40?opendocument -
i suspect you have some sort of a comprehension problemOriginally posted by Gazelle:I suspect that you speak with too much american slang. i'm well versed in singrrrish too, and i do not sound the least bit american -
Let me laugh at your ignorance. Australian passports must be held by a law abiding citizen of Australia aka Australian aka Aussie- that is the qualification . If a person cannot hold an australian passport , they are not a citizen or they are convicted of a crime i.e. propagating racial hatredOriginally posted by Gazelle:Even if you are holding on to a australian passport, that doesnt mean you are qualify to be an Aussie. right lee?
And I am not a Lee. HAHAHAHA
Do not presume to assume.