What makes a thing ILLEGAL???
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I wonder, what makes a thing ILLEGAL? Because our gov says so? Or because the products may be poor in quality and or unsafe?? Or is it simply, our gov could not profit form an unlicensed hawker???
It sounds to me very much like the last reason.
Why must our gov make lives of those who can do little or has no money to make a living, tougher???
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DonÂ’t buy from illegal hawkers
- Dec 29, 2006
AsiaOne
The National Environment Agency (NEA) and the Singapore Police Force (SPF) have issued a joint statement urging the public not to purchase items, like party novelties, food or drinks from illegal hawkers who usually peddle their wares in crowded areas or mass-public participation mega-events like the forthcoming Marina Bay Countdown.
In its last operation during the "Celebrate Christmas" concerts, NEA officers issued 80 tickets against those hawking items like spray foam, party novelties, food and drinks. Their wares were also seized.
Illegal hawkers, if convicted, may be fined up to $1,000 and; in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, fined up to $4,000 or jailed up to 3 months or to both.
NEA officers will continue to work with the Police to curb illegal hawking along Marina Bay and other areas for the upcoming New Year countdown celebrations. -
In Tw,they even encourage ppls 2 set up a stall for free to sell things during feative season.
I think we shd look into those PASAR M stalls set up along the road side organised by CDC and Rc.cauz i heard something seriou had happened in renting the stalls during the Hari Raya this year which warrented CPIB's involvments at Geylang S CC..
In order to reduce emplyment rate in Spore ,sg gov shd make the leasing of road side stalls more tranparent and affordable 2 Sporeans only!!! -
It removes the vibrancy associated with street celebrations. Dumbasses.
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goes again the law = illegal
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what if the law is illegal in spirit? contravenes the spirit of the constitution and pays no heed to justice but to legal efficiency?Originally posted by NewAge:goes again the law = illegal
what then?
I'm not talking about street hawkers here.
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The farking logic in the system here is simple;
in so long as they can't profit from whatever you do for a living, you are ILLEGAL!
FARK THEM!!!! -
Then you mean its fair if others work and pay tax while some work and evade tax?Originally posted by ShutterBug:The farking logic in the system here is simple;
in so long as they can't profit from whatever you do for a living, you are ILLEGAL!
FARK THEM!!!! -
It's fair to tax a worker or tradesman who pulls in some several thousands per month, but what kind of logic is there, to tax someone who hawks simple party novelties???Originally posted by Nelstar:Then you mean its fair if others work and pay tax while some work and evade tax?
It takes little brains to implement straight dead-fixed rules, but requires both heart and IQ to implement one that is FLEXIBLE and looks at one's earning powers. -
Oh and I'll be laughingly pleased to find out that majority of these so called illegal hawkers are from China..!!
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So other small businesses and tradesmen should pay tax and then suffer due to competition from non-paying entrepreneurs?Originally posted by ShutterBug:It's fair to tax a worker or tradesman who pulls in some several thousands per month, but what kind of logic is there, to tax someone who hawks simple party novelties???
It takes little brains to implement straight dead-fixed rules, but requires both heart and IQ to implement one that is FLEXIBLE and looks at one's earning powers.
Your logic is obtuse. -
Small time hawkers, cannot be comparable to small businesses.Originally posted by Nelstar:So other small businesses and tradesmen should pay tax and then suffer due to competition from non-paying entrepreneurs?
Your logic is obtuse.
A Hawker and a Business is very different. -
its because they dont make anything from it that it becomes illegal.Originally posted by NewAge:goes again the law = illegal -
Imagine a fruit stall which is a family business.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Small time hawkers, cannot be comparable to small businesses.
A Hawker and a Business is very different.
Family worked 10am to 10pm to earn a living and pay taxes.
Hawkers selling fruits appear nearby and because they are paying no tax, they sell at a much cheaper rate thus affect the fruit stall.
The fruit stall which may earn a paltry 300 a day may have its earnings reduced to 50 a day barely evening paying loans and livelihood. Not to mention fresh supply of fruits.
That fruit stall is still a small business.
So are we here to promote hawkering?
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A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I wonder, what makes a thing ILLEGAL? Because our gov says so? Or because the products may be poor in quality and or unsafe?? Or is it simply, our gov could not profit form an unlicensed hawker??? -
Illegal Hawkering will cause a dip in the rent of retail space... landlord's asset may reduced significantly... In short term... is bad for the economy...
In the long run... may not be bad for the economy... But u'll see a more chaotic Singapore... Imagine buying things to be faulty or fake and return to find out that they were gone for good...
This will oso have a black market... since the retail space does not belong to "zheng Hu"... local gangster will claim "rent"...
Disorder all over... tink over
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What ?Originally posted by foomwee88:In Tw,they even encourage ppls 2 set up a stall for free to sell things during feative season.
I think we shd look into those PASAR M stalls set up along the road side organised by CDC and Rc.cauz i heard something seriou had happened in renting the stalls during the Hari Raya this year which warrented CPIB's involvments at Geylang S CC..
In order to reduce emplyment rate in Spore ,sg gov shd make the leasing of road side stalls more tranparent and affordable 2 Sporeans only!!!
You suspect corruption at grassroots / RC level? -
they let a pte company to take the whole lot of stalls who then sub- let 2 an individual of more than 10 stalls each at say S$2000 who subsequebtly sub- let to unknown ppls for S$ 5k per stall each.Originally posted by charlize:What ?
You suspect corruption at grassroots / RC level?
Do u know how much the pte company n the concerned ppls made just 2 play this game during Hari Raya seeson!!!!
Shaking legs at home making more than S$200k p.m
Sillyporeans!!! -
I wonder if those buskers along Orchard Road pay money to taking up space...
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It take country interest into account. but slowly it become gahment interest.
When business are picking up it become cooperate interest, then safety come along.
Someone bring up in ST forum about "why wifi theft should be decriminalised ",
Which is much a cooperate interest on business point of veiw. -
I recalled back when I first bought a van, that time u r not allow to remove the partition behind. I was fine removing it. 4 yr later someone got into accident and the driver was trap in the driver seat while the van crash into a tree. The van caught fire and the door was jam and unable to open, the driver die by being burnt alive. Next month LTA, announce all van allow to remove their partition.
Rule will change after something happen. -
because this government cannot differentiate between the two.Originally posted by T.Ryousuke:It take country interest into account. but slowly it become gahment interest.
When business are picking up it become cooperate interest, then safety come along.
Someone bring up in ST forum about "why wifi theft should be decriminalised ",
Which is much a cooperate interest on business point of veiw. -
Illegal unregulated hawking can also lead to lower food hygiene standards, causing the spread of diseases such as cholera and typhoid.Originally posted by sunny6110:Illegal Hawkering will cause a dip in the rent of retail space... landlord's asset may reduced significantly... In short term... is bad for the economy...
In the long run... may not be bad for the economy... But u'll see a more chaotic Singapore... Imagine buying things to be faulty or fake and return to find out that they were gone for good...
This will oso have a black market... since the retail space does not belong to "zheng Hu"... local gangster will claim "rent"...
Disorder all over... tink over -
I think "illegal" hawkering should be allowed during certain times; eg. festive seasons etc etc.
They should be allowed to operate for free; maybe just register somewhere to just inform the govt what they are selling; just in case their wares are defective etc etc. -
as long as it harms some1?
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Its considered illegal as long as the govt is not getting a share of the profits.