More And More China People In Singapore
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Yah... dun prey prey... they are the culprit that made commodities rise world wide... which cause world wide inflation...Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The question is: can we ride the tiger or end up its prey?
and Our government accelerate this world wide inflation by raising civil servants pay too fast in the economy stage, 7% gst and employer's cpf contribution...
which made me tink that maybe we can't hv a young PM afterall...
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the govt should exercise some control. there are too many already!! they seem to be everywhere.Originally posted by TYING:These chinese who come its actually ok if we are not narrow minded. But if they come to become prostitutes and hook up married man. They deserve to be sent to exile.
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The Gov, die ing to get our citizen to spend , cash flow, this is anther way to make our country more vibran.Originally posted by dragg:the govt should exercise some control. there are too many already!! they seem to be everywhere.
if every citizen every month collect salary, only buy from NTUC xtra / fairprice, Shingshong, Shop N save, Giants. No one buy from Cold storage, these FT, will do their shopping @ Cheer / 7-11, which most of our citizen do not buy big amount these places. -
Can I draw the conclusion from your statement that Singapore is the land for losers? Hope that makes you happy.Originally posted by zaxis:those that come over to our land
I call them" Reject of the Rejected lots"
they cannot survive in China ground. so they come over to singapore
lease shop houses, open steam boat shop, apply PR, even everyday lost money
within 2 years award PR status, ASAP change Singapore IC
upon Citizen Certificate received, apply another country PR status.
upon received another country PR, surrender Singapore Pink IC.
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Talking bad about your ancestors?Originally posted by zaxis:those that come over to our land
I call them" Reject of the Rejected lots"
they cannot survive in China ground. so they come over to singapore
lease shop houses, open steam boat shop, apply PR, even everyday lost money
within 2 years award PR status, ASAP change Singapore IC
upon Citizen Certificate received, apply another country PR status.
upon received another country PR, surrender Singapore Pink IC. 
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What evidence do you have that Zaxis is a Chink?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Talking bad about your ancestors? -
my Ancestors do not stand wait @ Geylang, or other part of Singapore.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Talking bad about your ancestors? -
Especially on public holidays... They are damn loud-mouth... See so many of them around, take Xmas day itself. So many and i felt like i was in China.
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They come all the way here, spend close to almost whatever savings they have, because they want to succeed. When you have the hunger, the desire and the passion to succeed in a foreign land, you will definitely do whatever it takes to succeed. That's why you see these Chinese people having the correct attitude and service. Singaporeans basically want to be served well, but do not want to treat other people well. That basically is where it has gone all wrong for us.Originally posted by tehconi:to be fair, i find that the chinese salespeople working in shops here have better service attitude than our locals. they are more proactive and service-oriented, unlike our locals who are passive and tend to think that they are king not the customer. if i own a kopitiam or shop, i may prefer to hire chinese as salesperson because they sell better than locals.
Let's be fair to them, and call a spade a spade. Basically, what they have done is want a better future for themselves, and Singapore, because of the fact that we have a Chinese majority and also because of our excellant education system and facilities, decide to come here and make a living, because they believe that if they are hardworking and willing to learn, they can succeed. That was what helped Spore to become a first world country in the first place, isn't it? Much as I dislike the fact that there are too many of them here, I think there's NO wrong in them wanting a better life for themselves, and coming here. But of course, I abhor those that come here and do all sort of stuff that disgraces their country.
Besides, so many Sporeans migrating to Australia, how can we be so sure that they ain't complaining about us the same way we complain about Chinese people? Kiasu, queuing up the whole night before a major event is launched etc. -
if what you say is true i am sure those chinese office workers should be just as good. base on this fact alone our people will soon lose jobs to them in every sector.Originally posted by tehconi:to be fair, i find that the chinese salespeople working in shops here have better service attitude than our locals. they are more proactive and service-oriented, unlike our locals who are passive and tend to think that they are king not the customer. if i own a kopitiam or shop, i may prefer hiring chinese salesperson because they sell better than locals.
if you've visited china before, you'll notice that the sales people stick to you like crazy. its the same culture that they bring with them over here.
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What are the real benefits that these ppls from a third world country bring to our country besides taking away our poor fellow sillyporeans' jobs and suppress their wages????Originally posted by nanren4ever:They come all the way here, spend close to almost whatever savings they have, because they want to succeed. When you have the hunger, the desire and the passion to succeed in a foreign land, you will definitely do whatever it takes to succeed. That's why you see these Chinese people having the correct attitude and service. Singaporeans basically want to be served well, but do not want to treat other people well. That basically is where it has gone all wrong for us.
I had been doing business in China since 1988? and had been served with flying plates and asking me to fly kite if i didnot buy the items when they persued me to buy!!!in PRC. hence, I dont know which part of PRC? u r talking about?Cauz I was staying in shangai and Beijing most of the time in PRC!
PDMMs and all the PRC's flies in Sillypore had made us including Professors from NTU went crazy and lost their reputation n $. -
I believe that there are more China nationals coming here because in Singapore, they can communicate in Mandarin - as most are chinese here.
They are here, because of our exchange rates, and yes money is their success. And when they have made enough, they'll go home to undertake the second half of their journey to success - not here.
They are all over the world not just only here, it's just that there are more coming here because of language.
For them to stay, I believe most would choose America for the size and freedom.
As it is, a lot of foreigners can see how living costs can become impractical if they choose to become citizens.
No worries, eventually their own country's inflation will make not worth their while to come here, and offer cheap labor. Soon manufacturers will need to setup factories elsewhere when China, becomes too expensiove to operate.
Price of Progress... -
But I have one question though:
>> With all these PRCs here, what happens if another SARS outbreak occurs in China???? -
Ladies and Gentlemen, we are just a Stepping Stone to all the PRCs you see in Singapore. -
Ladies n Gentlemen, prepare to get pwned by PRC, it's destined!
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i won't say thats the same for the chinese office workers. when it comes to office work, its another ball game altogether. its common to hear of the chinese good at just talk but no work, dragging feet at work.Originally posted by dragg:if what you say is true i am sure those chinese office workers should be just as good. base on this fact alone our people will soon lose jobs to them in every sector.
lets assume it is true does that mean that we should just let them do it?
chinese are good at building up surface impressions only, but inside the grand exterior, its probably rotten wood all around. watch the grand shows (performances on CNY, etc) on CCTV and you see that they are good at putting a nice big door front (men2 mian4).
just on work ethic alone, i wld say sporeans are more superior when it comes to getting things done. otherwise we wld not have succeeded amidst the massive constraints that we face. the way i see it, their competitive advantages that really matter at this moment are their size and cheap labour. then again, whether china can be a truly great country contributing to human advances (rather than driven mainly be their culture of greed) remains to be seen.
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i agree with you. maybe a minority do hv a geniune affection for our country, i can't say. personally, i hv met chinese students bad-mouthing and sarcastically poking fun at sporeans all over. from our red dot size, to our bilingualism which is "neither here nor there", to our "silly chinese phrases" which are used incorrectly, to our stupidity as in Li Ao's idiotic comparisions of sporean/hongkee/taiwanese/chinese.....Originally posted by ShutterBug:Ladies and Gentlemen, we are just a Stepping Stone to all the PRCs you see in Singapore.
the irony is, these people come here on our gahment scholarships. so as it turns out, we taxpayers are the silly sheep whose sparse wool (or hard-earned $$) have been shaved off to sponsor foreigners who don't feel a damn gratitude towards us and still look down on us. if you ask me, i rather sponsor our own if we hv to sponsor at all. even tho' we complain like nobody's business, most still stick around because this is our home.
something is very wrong with our foreign talent policy and allocation of public funds at least in this aspect....
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You think we can "ride the tiger"?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Do you know which were the four top cities in Asia outside of Japan before WW2? Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok...
If not for the civil war and years of communist mismanagement, the top financial centre in this part of the world will not be Tokyo and Hong Kong, but Shanghai. The Chinese economy is a tiger that was kept in a cage...the door is now open...
The question is: can we ride the tiger or end up its prey?
You forget that we are discussing a culture that invented bureaucracy.
We are already prey - an action of 'our' own choosing. -
Let me address this.Originally posted by ghimpheng:why are there so many China pple coming to singapore ???
will they be competing us for jobs ?
Our currency is still the same why last time so less china pple come to singapore but now like flooded like that
Why are they here? We have a Chinese majority and a good economy. They are encouraged to come here by our leaders - university recruiters go to China to actively bring them into Singapore.
Chinese nationals assume that we should be culturally identical to other Chinese majority societies like Hong Kong and Taiwan. They expect the cultural "purity" of a Chinese society.
They assumed wrong.
This is why they have so many criticisms of Singapore. If you have an in-depth conversation with them you will realize just how little respect they have for non-Chinese races and societies, even including the Europeans.
They have been competing with Singaporeans for jobs since the late 1990s. Until the wages in China rise to parity with us, our current policies guarantee continued competition.
As Singaporeans we cannot outcompete them in terms of costs, productivity, production capacity... not even our much exaggerated 'communications' advantages. The Chinese nationals are learning English faster and better than we are.
We only have one advantage.
Trust.
Chinese nationals cannot even trust each other. And they never will. If you have a good understanding of Chinese political and cultural history, you will realize just how complex their society is, with so many undertable rules and nuances and layer upon layer of complications.
As China becomes richer and more powerful, mistrust and misunderstandings are bound to worsen.
Singapore, an island of clear rules and 'stupid' people, is a comparative safe haven. -
You should buck up and improve your productivity. If they can generate $200 of business a day, you must do do $250. If they work 50 hours a week, you have to do 55hours.Originally posted by dragg:if what you say is true i am sure those chinese office workers should be just as good. base on this fact alone our people will soon lose jobs to them in every sector.
lets assume it is true does that mean that we should just let them do it?
Yes, if we cannot measure up to them, we deserve to lose our jobs. -
dun 4get most of our forefathers were from china
they gone thru hardships to come here to work and build up the place thru even more hardships..........
qian ren zhong shu, hou ren cheng liang....... -
I hear dogs barking outside my house again.
First of all, you cannot compete with China in terms of labour cost, our labour cost will definitely be much higher than theirs, unless you intend to have a mass influx of China mainlanders to displace all the locals.
No matter how much mainlanders you bring in, our labour cost will still be higher than China, because we have higher cost for electricity, rentals, water, etc. I just found out that their electricity is about $0.10 per Kwh, as compared to our $2.00 per Kwh.
It's stupid for the ministers to compete on labour cost with China, it's better to pursue a system like the Germans or Swiss, where the pursuit of engineering excellence is instilled in all the citizens, through these excellence you can command a higher price for your product (watches, cars, etc), which the Chinese can't compete with in the short run.
MINISTERS ARE STUPID, THEIR MILLION DOLLAR SALARIES ARE NOT JUSTIFIED, COMPETING WITH CHINA IN TERMS OF CHEAPER LABOUR COST, YOU WILL NEVER WIN AT LEAST NOT IN THIS LIFETIME. -
is that why you are working overseas?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:You should buck up and improve your productivity. If they can generate $200 of business a day, you must do do $250. If they work 50 hours a week, you have to do 55hours.
Yes, if we cannot measure up to them, we deserve to lose our jobs. -
Agreed with u that our forefathers were from China!!! But, do u knows how big is China????Originally posted by FireIce:dun 4get most of our forefathers were from china
they gone thru hardships to come here to work and build up the place thru even more hardships..........
qian ren zhong shu, hou ren cheng liang.......
These flies are shameless and we didnot want 2 associtae them with our forefathers!!!hence,why we let them enjoying the fruit here and shti at us by telling us off as if this is their country!!!
Even their same clan of ppls whom had migrated to Europe countries looking down on them!!! it is strange that they r welcomed in Spore!!!
Siiyporeans,pls dont generalize the mainland chinese same as overseas chinese!!! We cant even get a work permit to work in PRC even though u r an overseas chinese.
Majority of our fellow TW ppls want an independence country,dont u know why???? -
Originally posted by maurizio13:I hear dogs barking outside my house again.
First of all, you cannot compete with China in terms of labour cost, our labour cost will definitely be much higher than theirs, unless you intend to have a mass influx of China mainlanders to displace all the locals.
No matter how much mainlanders you bring in, our labour cost will still be higher than China, because we have higher cost for electricity, rentals, water, etc. I just found out that their electricity is about $0.10 per Kwh, as compared to our $2.00 per Kwh.
It's stupid for the ministers to compete on labour cost with China, it's better to pursue a system like the Germans or Swiss, where the pursuit of engineering excellence is instilled in all the citizens, through these excellence you can command a higher price for your product (watches, cars, etc), which the Chinese can't compete with in the short run.
MINISTERS ARE STUPID, THEIR MILLION DOLLAR SALARIES ARE NOT JUSTIFIED, COMPETING WITH CHINA IN TERMS OF CHEAPER LABOUR COST, YOU WILL NEVER WIN AT LEAST NOT IN THIS LIFETIME.
the ministers have run out of ideas.
all these decisions they are making now have no effect on them and their families. they make millions afterall. in the long run only the common singaporeans will be affected.