More And More China People In Singapore
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In every field, the same rules apply in the global economy. If an engineer from India is able to do the work for less pay, you lose your job to him Businesses are in it for profits. If you stop them from employing foreigners, they will move their business elsewhere.
US hospitals have outsourced their radiology to Israel and now, India, We have also outsourced some of our radiology to Bangalore. Doctors who do not upgrade to a higher value activity will lose their jobs, so why not engineers or IT consultants?
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Originally posted by packjust:
U said u r an enginner ? in what field and from which Uni? cauz a bookeeper can claim he is an acct w/o qulification.
Of course ppl from China will compete with you for jobs. I worked in a company that hires more than 85% of foreigners - Mainland Chinese, Philippina, Indonesians, Malaysians, Burmese, Israeli, Pakistani, etc. Singaporeans are actually a [b]minority in this company. The boss is always looking for ways to reduce costs and increase profits. Otherwise, why would he hire foreigners in the first place? He has foreigners in almost all positions - accountants, engineers, IT support, purchasing, sales, marketing, etc.
There was a time when he hired more than the required number of people in my department. I'm an engineer and the only Singaporean in this department. The rest are foreigners. As you know, if you hire a Singaporean, you could probably hire at least two foreigners (talent or not). Not long after a new foreign engineer joined my department, I was told to leave. He was willing to accept a wage lower than me.
My fellow Singaporeans, the day has arrived for foreigners to take away your rice bowls just like it did in my case. If you do not believe what I said, you could apply for jobs at Esco Micro Pte Ltd, work there and find out for yourself whether you see more foreigners than Singaporeans. The company is founded by a Singaporean.
I do not know about other companies though. Maybe you would like to list them here so that I will never apply to such companies in the future. Thank you.
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Mind u, there is a guy self proclaimed as a doc ,lawyer and economist here!!!but his edu level is below A level cause he doesnot know wat is discounts vs subsidies, bond price vs interest rate, dogs vs human beings etc!!!
A professional's salary in Spore is at least10 times more expensive than a counterpart in a third world country!!! that why it is strange that u said one Sporean professional is more than 2 foreigners from the third world country??? In other word,it makes me think u r only an enginner w/o qulification i.e degree or a member of professional Inst -
They are everywhere NTU , Poly , coffeeshop assistant , factory , Shenton way , Secondary school , infiltrated everywhere
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let me correct ur mistake.Originally posted by seancannot:They are everywhere NUS , Poly , coffeeshop assistant , factory , Shenton way , Secondary school , infiltrated everywhere
actually i dun understand why there are too many PRCs n foreigners in NUS n NTU. somehow i feel i am a foreigner in a local uni.
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and they are increasing by the day.Originally posted by seancannot:They are everywhere NTU , Poly , coffeeshop assistant , factory , Shenton way , Secondary school , infiltrated everywhere -
Plucking figures from the air as usual?Originally posted by foomwee88:A professional's salary in Spore is at least10 times more expensive than a counterpart in a third world country!!! that why it is strange that u said one Sporean professional is more than 2 foreigners from the third world country??? In other word,it makes me think u r only an enginner w/o qulification i.e degree or a member of professional Inst
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Because they qualify to get into our Uni? And quite a number of them sweep away the top prizes each year as well...Originally posted by 798:let me correct ur mistake.
actually i dun understand why there are too many PRCs n foreigners in NUS n NTU. somehow i feel i am a foreigner in a local uni. -
I was a director of an Int'l QS firm and my last drawn salary is US$12,000 per month but my counterpart in PRC earns US$1,200 per month.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Plucking figures from the air as usual?
I m a retired investor now enjoying playing with shares and going for a good holidays in overseas.
U????carrying balls to make a living!!!poor thing!!! -
This is curious.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Simple...acquire the qualifications that are essential for the job that the Chinese and Indians do not have. Oh, they will take up the qualifications in time, no doubt about that. So I just have to continue to upgrade my skills and keep acquiring new skills to keep a step ahead. In the meantime, save enough for my own retirement while I am working.
If you cannot keep a step ahead of the younger, faster, smarter foreign kids who can to do your job better for much less money, you lose your job...period.
There are people who are not on the treadmill who laugh at others who fly off the treadmill.
That I don't like, but I can understand.
You are ON the treadmill laughing at others who are flying off the SAME treadmill!
You are hoping that you can always keep a step ahead of the younger, faster and smarter foreign kids.
My question is - if they are younger, faster and smarter, in what way can you keep a step "ahead"?
You are simply waiting for your luck to run out, old chap. -
Since his days of being ahead of others are numbered, let him say whatever he wishes.Originally posted by Cystaire:This is curious.
There are people who are not on the treadmill who laugh at others who fly off the treadmill.
That I don't like, but I can understand.
You are ON the treadmill laughing at others who are flying off the SAME treadmill!
You are hoping that you can always keep a step ahead of the younger, faster and smarter foreign kids.
My question is - if they are younger, faster and smarter, in what way can you keep a step "ahead"?
You are simply waiting for your luck to run out, old chap.
Coz.. he'd then have a huge pile of his own words to eat later in life... -
He looks very free to me.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Since his days of being ahead of others are numbered, let him say whatever he wishes.
Coz.. he'd then have a huge pile of his own words to eat later in life...
Everyday coming in here to post messages.
Doctors have so much time to surf sgforums in UK meh?
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I think he's PAP's hired MouthPiece in here....Originally posted by charlize:He looks very free to me.
Everyday coming in here to post messages.
Doctors have so much time to surf sgforums in UK meh? -
haha...big words indeed..haven't hear NPNT?Originally posted by foomwee88:I was a director of an Int'l QS firm and my last drawn salary is US$12,000 per month but my counterpart in PRC earns US$1,200 per month.
I m a retired investor now enjoying playing with shares and going for a good holidays in overseas.
U????carrying balls to make a living!!!poor thing!!!
back to youe vulgarities again as usual? why am I not surprised? -
haha...and how much do you think they are paying me with your tax dollars?Originally posted by ShutterBug:I think he's PAP's hired MouthPiece in here....
Nope, I am here on my own accord to provide some balance to the brainless anti-government ranting here. People must get to hear from the other side... -
I agreed...Originally posted by TYING:These chinese who come its actually ok if we are not narrow minded. But if they come to become prostitutes and hook up married man. They deserve to be sent to exile.
why not any ppl asked, why there are so many malaysian coming to SG??? for example, i always saw lots of the malaysian motors going besides my car when i drive for work... -
Men come together in cities in order to live, they remain together in order to live the good life.
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True for some of the earlier post where they condemn about Singapore.
I have some China schoolmates. Sometimes when i was sitting in front of them, i can see them gesturing and talking very loudly when they are just sitting beside one another. This if close one eye still can accept, some singaporeans do tt anyway.
But one thing that is totally unacceptable is that they criticise about EVERYTHING!
They criticise about the food saying that they always eat different food daily back in china. The clothings here are very ordinary and have no taste. The country is very small and is preventing them from nuturing their talent(as if they have). Talk about how bad the attitude that singaporeans kids have and all that. Also claiming that the academic level here are very easy and are simply peanuts.
And just when they have said all these, i gathered the following:
1) In china, there are very little foodcourt or place where all different types of food can be ordered at the same time. Talking about variety, i think we can win them easily with just one hawker centre. They only have an eatery which sells a speciality or all of the same type of cuisine.
2) I went to china before and dont see any extroadinary clothings or anything different from what singaporeans wear. (except winter wear). All wear jeans and shirts.
3) Small and cannot nurture their talents. If they have the talent, they would have already flourish in china given its current status and the rate of its expansion.
4) Ta ma is their most frequently use words when they just arrive, after a few months, those mispronounced hokkien vulgarities became their jia chang bian fan. They accused singaporeans teenagers of being unfilial to their parents when i heard them criticising their parents about something to do with wealth.
5) Easy and peanuts academic levels. They are among the last position in the whole cohort. Besides, they are usually older than the average singaporean student by 1 to 3 yrs. So what makes them qualified to condemn the education system?
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Originally posted by Cystaire:This is curious.
There are people who are not on the treadmill who laugh at others who fly off the treadmill.
That I don't like, but I can understand.
You are ON the treadmill laughing at others who are flying off the SAME treadmill!
You are hoping that you can always keep a step ahead of the younger, faster and smarter foreign kids.
My question is - if they are younger, faster and smarter, in what way can you keep a step "ahead"?
You are simply waiting for your luck to run out, old chap. i was reading from the bottom post upwards and i was wondering if your post was directed towards him -
Whose growth, open economy, and globalization along with gov's tinkering of CPF, causes the current woes of those who contributed in earlier years of Nation's economy who are now in their 50s.
Are we really progressing???
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Middle class wage stagnation could lead to social instability
By Pearl Forss, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 11 January 2007 1856 hrs
SINGPAORE: Middle class wages have been stagnant in the past 5 years, according to economists, and this could lead to social instability.
These concerns were shared at the annual Institute of Policy Studies Singapore Perspectives conference.
Economists believe a US economy slowdown in business and consumer spending may cause problems for Singapore, but as Singapore is tops in the ASEAN resilience index, it should be able to weather external shocks, thanks to a diversified economy and strong Asian demand.
They predict that growth going forward will be 3 to 5 percent.
The long-term growth limits for a mature economy was previously in the 3 to 5 percent range.
However, economists are asking who this growth is for. The income of the bottom 30 percent of the population has fallen. What is more worrying is the fact that the majority of Singaporeans in the middle class has only seen about a 1 percent increase in nominal income in the last 5 years.
It is not just Singapore - economists say stagnant wages is a global problem, and the chief reason for this is globalisation.
India and China are introducing a large pool of skilled and unskilled labour to compete with the labour forces of industrialised countries.
Singapore is susceptible to this because of its open economy.
123,000 jobs were created last year and economists estimate some 70 percent of these jobs went to foreigners.
"With the rate of immigration, even among unskilled and semi skilled labour at a rate twice of what we experienced in the 90s, at a rate fastest in the developed world, the question is - does this dampen our real wages as we grow? Does the strategy itself dampen real wages and depress real wages at the low and middle end of the spectrums? They are sacred cows but we should step back and think about them," said Yeoh Lam Keong, Vice President, Economic Society of Singapore.
Another reason cited for middle class wage stagnation is the move by the government to cut CPF employer contribution rates for older workers by 4 percentage points over the last 2 years.
"So if you were a worker in the 50-55 age group, you could have seen your wages fall as much as 10 percent over the last 3 or 4 years. Now with the economy improving, the government could bring that back, the increase is 1 or 2 percent. I'm in support of CPF tinkering but probably it happens far too often, but I think there's probably some justification to look back and think that the restructuring was a bit too aggressive on the CPF side and it has contributed somewhat to a very sandwiched middle class," said Chua Hak Bin, Director, Asia Pacific Econ & Market Analysis, Citigroup Global Markets Singapore.
The government is looking at increasing CPF by 1 to 2 percentage points in 2007.
Economists say workfare should become a more permanent pillar of the economy so as to cushion growing inequality.
Adding that long term middle class wage stagnation could lead to social instability. - CNA /dt -
The effects of globalisation hits every nation on earth....British car makers MG-Rovers has been bought over by a Chinese company with loss of many jobs, British cleaners have been replaced with Polish ones, British nurses with Filippino nurses....
The cheap supply of labour and services keep inflation low and prevent interest rate hikes. The competitiveness of a country now depends on it. Until China's labour costs catch up with those of developed nations, our low income groups will lose out.
The solution is education and skill development. There should be a safety net to help those who are unable to compete...but how tight the net should be depends on how much society is prepared to pay in terms of taxes. In addition, as the Scandinavian nations are learning now, a welfare state discourages hard work and nurtures a dependent mentality. -
Wah 70% went to foreigners?Originally posted by ShutterBug:Whose growth, open economy, and globalization along with gov's tinkering of CPF, causes the current woes of those who contributed in earlier years of Nation's economy who are now in their 50s.
Are we really progressing???
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Middle class wage stagnation could lead to social instability
By Pearl Forss, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 11 January 2007 1856 hrs
SINGPAORE: Middle class wages have been stagnant in the past 5 years, according to economists, and this could lead to social instability.
These concerns were shared at the annual Institute of Policy Studies Singapore Perspectives conference.
Economists believe a US economy slowdown in business and consumer spending may cause problems for Singapore, but as Singapore is tops in the ASEAN resilience index, it should be able to weather external shocks, thanks to a diversified economy and strong Asian demand.
They predict that growth going forward will be 3 to 5 percent.
The long-term growth limits for a mature economy was previously in the 3 to 5 percent range.
However, economists are asking who this growth is for. The income of the bottom 30 percent of the population has fallen. What is more worrying is the fact that the majority of Singaporeans in the middle class has only seen about a 1 percent increase in nominal income in the last 5 years.
It is not just Singapore - economists say stagnant wages is a global problem, and the chief reason for this is globalisation.
India and China are introducing a large pool of skilled and unskilled labour to compete with the labour forces of industrialised countries.
Singapore is susceptible to this because of its open economy.
123,000 jobs were created last year and economists estimate some 70 percent of these jobs went to foreigners.
"With the rate of immigration, even among unskilled and semi skilled labour at a rate twice of what we experienced in the 90s, at a rate fastest in the developed world, the question is - does this dampen our real wages as we grow? Does the strategy itself dampen real wages and depress real wages at the low and middle end of the spectrums? They are sacred cows but we should step back and think about them," said Yeoh Lam Keong, Vice President, Economic Society of Singapore.
Another reason cited for middle class wage stagnation is the move by the government to cut CPF employer contribution rates for older workers by 4 percentage points over the last 2 years.
"So if you were a worker in the 50-55 age group, you could have seen your wages fall as much as 10 percent over the last 3 or 4 years. Now with the economy improving, the government could bring that back, the increase is 1 or 2 percent. I'm in support of CPF tinkering but probably it happens far too often, but I think there's probably some justification to look back and think that the restructuring was a bit too aggressive on the CPF side and it has contributed somewhat to a very sandwiched middle class," said Chua Hak Bin, Director, Asia Pacific Econ & Market Analysis, Citigroup Global Markets Singapore.
The government is looking at increasing CPF by 1 to 2 percentage points in 2007.
Economists say workfare should become a more permanent pillar of the economy so as to cushion growing inequality.
Adding that long term middle class wage stagnation could lead to social instability. - CNA /dt
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Originally posted by foomwee88:
How sad
Agreed with u that our forefathers were from China!!! But, do u knows how big is China????
[b]These flies are shameless and we didnot want 2 associtae them with our forefathers!!!hence,why we let them enjoying the fruit here and shti at us by telling us off as if this is their country!!!
Even their same clan of ppls whom had migrated to Europe countries looking down on them!!! it is strange that they r welcomed in Spore!!!
Siiyporeans,pls dont generalize the mainland chinese same as overseas chinese!!! We cant even get a work permit to work in PRC even though u r an overseas chinese.
Majority of our fellow TW ppls want an independence country,dont u know why???? [/b]
This is exactly the same kind of attitude the foreigners especially white americans offer to the very first chinese when they first step on the american soil (or any foreign countries) and all they wanted is to work hard and succeed. No wonder chinese are just like desert sand and suffer a identity crisis -
That's why they come to Singapore. Under such foreign conditions, they "work hard and succeed". And we get pushed down, academically or career wise.Originally posted by 02tonyl:How sad
This is exactly the same kind of attitude the foreigners especially white americans offer to the very first chinese when they first step on the american soil (or any foreign countries) and all they wanted is to work hard and succeed. No wonder chinese are just like desert sand and suffer a identity crisis
Anyway, the probability of seeing a Chinamen in Singapore is almost more than it of seeing any Singaporeans. Which makes me infer that Chinamen PRs will overwhelm the local population in no time. -
Provide some "balance"? I think many of us are having trouble detecting any "balance" in your pro-government rantings. I can see it's so much more ... helpful... than the "anti-government ranting(s)" you speak of.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:haha...and how much do you think they are paying me with your tax dollars?
Nope, I am here on my own accord to provide some balance to the brainless anti-government ranting here. People must get to hear from the other side...
Thank you mushroom, for bringing your... "balanced"... views here. They are so enlightening. -
For your information, Chinamen have outnumbered the local population long since 1819....Originally posted by TrixCereals:Anyway, the probability of seeing a Chinamen in Singapore is almost more than it of seeing any Singaporeans. Which makes me infer that Chinamen PRs will overwhelm the local population in no time.