More And More China People In Singapore
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Killing people over trivial matters happens everywhere. It doesn't matter who or what nationality the perpetrator(s) and victim(s) are.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yes, perhaps we each do not have rights to stereotype others. But does the 'person' from 'that other country', have the right to kill another person over work-related differences??? Are we talking about RIGHTS? Or is there some kind of Culture Clash? Maybe in their homeland it is norm to kill another over personal or work-related differences??? -
Oh ok.. I guess we should just accept the fact that it will become the norm here, and just let it become a rampant act among 'those nationals'....I won't say what national or race, I'll just let what the media publishes detail their most common foreign origins.Originally posted by iveco:Killing people over trivial matters happens everywhere. It doesn't matter who or what nationality the perpetrator(s) and victim(s) are.
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U remember the Kallang body parts murder? The victim is from China n theOriginally posted by ShutterBug:Oh ok.. I guess we should just accept the fact that it will become the norm here, and just let it become a rampant act among 'those nationals'....I won't say what national or race, I'll just let what the media publishes detail their most common foreign origins.
murderer is a local. -
Apparently the two of them had some kind of affair going on. Scandalous.Originally posted by will4:U remember the Kallang body parts murder? The victim is from China n the
murderer is a local.
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I read the local guy tried to take money away from the victim.Originally posted by iveco:Apparently the two of them had some kind of affair going on. Scandalous. -
*sigh*
The Kallang Case, is a sad one... I expect this case to be brought up in discussion here.
Well the local man was pushed to the edge where he lost he senses and thus resorted to such a horrific act. He was made a thoroughbred local fool, but personally, I wonder what the hell is a married guy like him doing fooling around with a China girls? Doesn't he know that there are marriage scams, and what nought involving China girls???
Now, I am NOT saying that the local culprit in this instance, has any right to take the China woman's life, but in contrast with the recent restaurant killing, it took very little to push the kitchen helper into such a vicious act. -
I'm sure you are not trying to blame every pissed-on lift in S'pore on the China-born, are you?Originally posted by ShutterBug:Ok, do you piss in the elevators? I'm sure you do not fit the profile of one who does, and certainly neither do I and all of us in here.
Point is WE HAVE come some ways, and while THEY, are still at START.
I think one of the hallmark of someone 'civilised' and/or 'cultured' is tolerence. If you can't tolerate those amonst us who are different, then perhaps the problem is YOU, not them. -
Took very little to push him over the edge? How little? Any more details of the case?Originally posted by ShutterBug:*sigh*
The Kallang Case, is a sad one... I expect this case to be brought up in discussion here.
Well the local man was pushed to the edge where he lost he senses and thus resorted to such a horrific act. He was made a thoroughbred local fool, but personally, I wonder what the hell is a married guy like him doing fooling around with a China girls? Doesn't he know that there are marriage scams, and what nought involving China girls???
Now, I am NOT saying that the local culprit in this instance, has any right to take the China woman's life, but in contrast with the recent restaurant killing, it took very little to push the kitchen helper into such a vicious act.
Maybe the perpetrator got anger management issues, who knows. -
Originally posted by blueheeler:
I tolerate Ukrainians better than PRCs. I wonder if you are able to do the same.
I'm sure you are not trying to blame every pissed-on lift in S'pore on the China-born, are you?
I think one of the hallmark of someone 'civilised' and/or 'cultured' is [b]tolerence. If you can't tolerate those amonst us who are different, then perhaps the problem is YOU, not them.[/b] -
Originally posted by blueheeler:
Blame a China-born for pissing in elevators? No of course not! They are probably capable of more than just piss! hahahahaaa....
I'm sure you are not trying to blame every pissed-on lift in S'pore on the China-born, are you?
I think one of the hallmark of someone 'civilised' and/or 'cultured' is [b]tolerence. If you can't tolerate those amonst us who are different, then perhaps the problem is YOU, not them.[/b]
Kidding..
I know for a fact, local kids, and the illiterates are the culprits - but how come we still have illiterates since we are First World Class?? ...hmmm...
Tolerance???
Now, how tolerant are our neighboring countries towards us (and our gov)? The HAZE from Indonesia (who are now even considering banning granite after sand) were tolerated basically because it is a huge uncontrollable problem in Indonesia - its people. -
Oh and I nearly forgot to mention, that the WHOLE WORLD 'tolerated' SARS which started from China - because of what???
FACE
That's right.... their friggin FACE! They kept quiet about it until ALL HELL BROKE FARKING LOOSE!!!
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so who are you upset with? The PRCs, or the govt? Or the entire world?Originally posted by ShutterBug:Blame a China-born for pissing in elevators? No of course not! They are probably capable of more than just piss! hahahahaaa.... Kidding..
I know for a fact, local kids, and the illiterates are the culprits - but how come we still have illiterates since we are First World Class?? ...hmmm...
Tolerance???
Now, how tolerant are our neighboring countries towards us (and our gov)? The HAZE from Indonesia (who are now even considering banning granite after sand) were tolerated basically because it is a huge uncontrollable problem in Indonesia - its people.
You don't seem to be only upset with PRCs.
And as I said, its not only the PRCs that are coming here, but Indians, Indonesias, Filipinos, etc. -
the rest of them have less problems fitting in, whereas most PRC nationals want to stand out and scream for bleddy attention in broad daylight, like as if they are superior or whatever nonsense.Originally posted by soul_rage:so who are you upset with? The PRCs, or the govt? Or the entire world?
You don't seem to be only upset with PRCs.
And as I said, its not only the PRCs that are coming here, but Indians, Indonesias, Filipinos, etc. -
True, this is one point common in them...Originally posted by LazerLordz:the rest of them have less problems fitting in, whereas most PRC nationals want to stand out and scream for bleddy attention in broad daylight, like as if they are superior or whatever nonsense. -
I am not against globalization, and FTs coming here (but I am against our gov's blindness to the many displaced local employees).Originally posted by soul_rage:so who are you upset with? The PRCs, or the govt? Or the entire world?
You don't seem to be only upset with PRCs.
And as I said, its not only the PRCs that are coming here, but Indians, Indonesias, Filipinos, etc.
To me, these Indian, Western, Malaysian, Japanese, FTs are like butterflies bees and humming birds. But the influx of PRCs, are like FLIES!
Whatever the nationality they are, just come here and make your money peacefully and leave or stay. Fine. But don't behave like 'those nationals' who often end up on the front pages of our local papers!! And or basically be a pain to live side-by-side with!!
Upset? I'm beyond and over with UPSET...
- > annually, ever increasing living costs explained away with bland excuses
- > to help the poor a 2% increase in GST was set in motion
(???)
- > bilateral ties with neighbors - screwd... no sand, no granite, satelite
must be returned to Thailand..etc
- > after so many locals displaced by FTs, gov only just now begin move
get employers to hire older locals either by incentives or by rule - too
little too late..
- > gov blind to the many vices and crimes big or small largely committed
by influx of PRCs
Tell me, which do you think I WAS upset over? I run my own little business, I hire locals EXCLUSIVELY. I have turned away approximately 150 PRC applicants! Now I am taking the show elsewhere!
Personally, I've given up really... cause I'm already effectively leaving this country where the gov doesn't or did little to help its people feel belonged and older locals needed.... -
Now I can understand. True, the govt is ignoring the singaporeans who are being displaced by the FTs.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I am not against globalization, and FTs coming here (but I am against our gov's blindness to the many displaced local employees).
To me, these Indian, Western, Malaysian, Japanese, FTs are like butterflies bees and humming birds. But the influx of PRCs, are like FLIES!
Whatever the nationality they are, just come here and make your money peacefully and leave or stay. Fine. But don't behave like 'those nationals' who often end up on the front pages of our local papers!! And or basically be a pain to live side-by-side with!!
Upset? I'm beyond and over with UPSET...
- > annually, ever increasing living costs explained away with bland excuses
- > to help the poor a 2% increase in GST was set in motion (???)
- > bilateral ties with neighbors - screwd... no sand, no granite, satelite
must be returned to Thailand..etc
- > after so many locals displaced by FTs, gov only just now begin move
get employers to hire older locals either by incentives or by rule - too
little too late..
- > gov blind to the many vices and crimes big or small largely committed
by influx of PRCs
Tell me, which do you think I WAS upset over? I run my own little business, I hire locals EXCLUSIVELY. I have turned away approximately 150 PRC applicants! Now I am taking the show elsewhere!
Personally, I've given up really... cause I'm already effectively leaving this country where the gov doesn't or did little to help its people feel belonged and older locals needed....
I want to make a statement here, on several assumptions:
(1) We are assumed to be expensive
(2) We are assumed to be less skilful
hence many of us are displaced
If that is the truth, then fine, survival of the fittest. But the worst is hearing that these are just assumptions.
Just take up the many Indian consultants I have dealt with. They are not better than us (my colleagues in the dept are better than them in every aspect), they are not cheaper than us (they are asking for pays like in excess of $5,000.00, when we are earning < 4,000.00).
This is what I dislike about how our govt is opening our doors. Give us a chance, don't make silly assumptions. Its like the kid outside the door saying your son is useless, he is better, and you believe him.
The sad part is, our govt thinks our people are incapable of doing what these FTs can do, or are convinced by these contract companies that we Singaporeans cannot do what they do.
And, give the PRCs a chance. Many of them are nice people. As always the minority makes the majority look bad. -
influx of foreign talent = less jobs for singaporeans but on the other hand , forces local talent to work harder >>>>>>>>
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I second this.Originally posted by soul_rage:This is what I dislike about how our govt is opening our doors. Give us a chance, don't make silly assumptions. Its like the kid outside the door saying your son is useless, he is better, and you believe him.
The sad part is, our govt thinks our people are incapable of doing what these FTs can do, or are convinced by these contract companies that we Singaporeans cannot do what they do.
We are Singapore Citizens.. our interests should come before all non-citizens!
We're getting left behind because our government hasn't allocated enough resources/funds from our huge reserves to develop or bring in cutting edge training facilities/programmes to keep us competitive! Our govt's policies and actions continue to favour foreigners over our own citizens, it has repeatedly downplayed or even silenced our concerns in public, and though its actions, our govt has perpetuated the myth that Singaporean workers aren't as capable as our foreign-bred counterparts... one can't help but wonder if our government treats its own people as nothing more than inferior robots near the end of our shelf lives!
No wonder those girls cried over 4 'A's.. they probably can't afford to study abroad without a scholarship.. so they'll still have to fight extra hard to prove they're better than the FTs who draw higher salaries than them for the same work (even if these FTs aren't better)!And, give the PRCs a chance. Many of them are nice people. As always the minority makes the majority look bad.
Aye.. we shdn't discriminate against them blindly.. we'd be just as bad as the ignorant sort of "elites" many of us loathe -
Anyone had this experience? I am a guy and I was once stopped by a China woman. First, she wanted friendship, then money, then begging for financial help, then my phone number, then my home address.....Originally posted by TYING:These chinese who come its actually ok if we are not narrow minded. But if they come to become prostitutes and hook up married man. They deserve to be sent to exile.
Also, there are some China aunties, study mamas I guess. The way they looked at me - long, stare. I felt very uncomfortable. I mean I didn't even showed interest in them in the first place.
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Nope but I have a male colleague who married a well-educated China-born lady.. I've met her and she's a very decent, kind lady.. but she gets harrassed and insulted by Singaporean men constantly in public! She's had to lodge police reports several times for serious cases.. she's really got a very bad impression of our country now.Originally posted by 00011000:Anyone had this experience? I am a guy and I was once stopped by a China woman. First, she wanted friendship, then money, then begging for financial help, then my phone number, then my home address.....
Also, there are some China aunties, study mamas I guess. The way they looked at me - long, stare. I felt very uncomfortable. I mean I don't even showed interest in them in the first place.
Anyone had such experience?
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Well, I sympathise with her, but if we do not sieve out the bad hats, proper immigrants like her will suffer in the end.Originally posted by spinsugar:Nope but I have a male colleague who married a well-educated China-born lady.. I've met her and she's a very decent, kind lady.. but she gets harrassed and insulted by Singaporean men constantly in public! She's had to lodge police reports several times for serious cases.. she's really got a very bad impression of our country now.
So why should we accept these mediocre foreigners just to justify a primarily cost-structure form of competitiveness? We need more stringent character tests and skill tests to ensure that these immigrants that we accept, are of extremely good standing and possess saliently rare skills comparatively.
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I'm very angry and disappointed with pap...they had allowed too many foreigners into our place and resulted too many crimes also!!!
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Let's be balanced about this. There is NO way we can close our doors to foreigners. If companies and factories cannot get cheap labour here, they would go elsewhere. But these are my gripes:
1. Why is it that we cannot compete with them on salaries? We are here for the long-term, we have to buy HDB flats, we have to pay for our children's education, we have to save up for our retirement here. ALL OF WHICH ARE EXPENSIVE. Foreigners can take the low pay and cramped living conditions because many are here for the short-term ONLY.
2. What about NS. Our boys and men will spend or spent the best 2 years of their lives to help "jagar" the country. The government, rightly, stated that it should be a duty. Fine. But foreign males don't do it. And i am sure many have heard of how our fellow PR colleagues sent their boys overseas instead of serving NS, AFTER they have studied here all the way up to JC level. Great isn't it?
3. To elaborate on point 1, not ALL foreigners are cheap and good. Cheap? The professionals demand the same pay. The government is opening up the medical sector to foreign (Indian) doctors, most of whic have been ejected from UK. Does anyone think they will accept long-term lower pay than our own doctors? If they are going to get the same pay anyway, why not train more of our own as Singaporeans prefer to be seen by Singaporean doctors? As for being good, well, in anecdotes I have heard and incidents I have witnessed, our friendly Indian FTs are good in putting up shows, but ask them to "cho kang" and .................
4. For any companies, would the employer prefer to employ a male Singaporean who may have to spend up to 2-3 weeks every year away from the company or a foreign male is better since he is always around?
By all means, make Singapore competitive by letting in some foreign "talents" in, the principle is correct, but the implementation has to be fine-tuned. -
I definitely agree that we need to set more stringent immigration rules, and tighter rules for our working FTs. Right now Singapore's legs have literally been spread for the foreigners. Our National shame!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, I sympathise with her, but if we do not sieve out the bad hats, proper immigrants like her will suffer in the end.
So why should we accept these mediocre foreigners just to justify a primarily cost-structure form of competitiveness? We need more stringent character tests and skill tests to ensure that these immigrants that we accept, are of extremely good standing and possess saliently rare skills comparatively.
If we let the cost-structure become the basis of our economy, then we are doomed.
But hitting out directly at these foreigners who accepted our country's invitation to come over is a waste of our time. Neither Locals nor FTs stand to gain from indiscriminate bashing of FTs..the FTs don't, and won't, fully understand our actions. Plus our govt will simply take the opportunity to announce that Singaporeans aren't mature enough to have a say in our country's affairs.
Let's keep our quarrel focused on the people responsible for these stupid lax rules.. let them feel the heat. After we get the influx of FTs under control, we can subject our existing FTs to a system of stringent checks, like a yearly review, in order to prove their worth and stay on. Eventually, we can filter all the bad ones out and reverse the govt's terrible mistake.