Why we need foreign workers in wafer fab plants
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Then tell me why does Singapore need foreign talents in higher paying jobs , sitting on top of Singaporeans? Why does Singapore LTA invite Australian consultants in to review a public transport station when Australia's public transport is not as good as compared to Singapore? (Don't argue with me on australian transportation system - I live in Australia - I KNOW). Why do they employ foreign consultants to evaluate and change when the system used to be running so well?Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Nobody has an answer to this charge so one can only conclude that there s mute assent.
Despite the higher pay in wafer fab, Singaporeans would rather go jobless than work shifts in a clean environment. How can we reduce the number of foreign workers when Singaporeans refuse to take up the jobs?
Why does Singapore pay a million dollars to ministers to come up with a half-as$ed idea to bring foreign talents in? Temasek has been losing money with Shin corp and Optus ( they overpaid 10 billion for it) etc - since it is part of the Government's investment arm - why don't we retrench the top level management and the ministers responsible in such decision making skills? Why do the government need a 7% GST figure when they should cut the salary from underperforming ministers and civil servants? Why are the locals told to get a lower paid job when foreign talents are sitting on top?
So tell me why?
You cannot tell people to accept jobs which are lower in wages when you are earning a premium yourself. Most Singaporeans I read and know about are more worried about survival, like Derrick Wee ( the guy who was told to get out of Wee Shu Min's elite uncaring face) than some pay rise. Am I not right? -
That was a rant..not an answerOriginally posted by Kuali Baba:It was in BillyBong's post, blind bat.
There are jobs for Singaporeans in wafer fabs...if you are unemployed, what not get off your bum and go do some work? -
From SDP: CSJ
Four years have passed and it is clear that the professors were right. Worse, Singaporeans have had to continue to suffer in silence under the PAP Government's ill-conceived policy even though it is reported that a majority of people want a more judicious application of the foreign talent (Sunday Times, 14 Jan 07).
The Singapore Democrats repeat our stand: The foreign talent policy must be re-examined so that only foreigners with the requisite skills are allowed to work in Singapore.
We proposed the Singaporeans First Policy back in 2001 where we wanted foreigners to get the jobs only when we cannot find Singaporeans with the necessary skills to do them.
The PAP Government is desperately trying to make-up for the stunted population growth that resulted from its cruel and myopic Stop-at-Two family planning policy by flooding the society with foreign nationals.
The resultant economic and social consequences from such an unthinking move will yet manifest themselves in horrendous ways, if they have not already.
In addition, the Government refuses to acknowledge that the slow birthrate in Singapore is primarily due to the high cost of living and stressful lifestyle in our society which deters couples from wanting more children.
It also ignores the fact that the exodus of Singaporeans, most of whom possess talent and skills our country needs, to other countries is a result of the suffocating system created by the PAP.
It is clear that the Government not only has no intention of owning up to these problems it created, but now seeks to plaster over them by encouraging the indiscriminate influx of foreign workers. -
Haha...so now you are singing the government's praises for running things so much better than Australia. Foreign talents are needed in higher paying jobs because we lack the necessary skills. There aren't enough lawyers with experience handling big corporation mergers, so we need FT. There aren't enough scientists and engineers to push our biomedical research, so we need FT. There aren't enough fund managers with stellar performance, so we need FT and there aren't enough management consultants with experience in MNCs, so we need FT. Singapore is a small island and we do not have consultants with experience in public transport systems. Our knowledge is limited to the one we have. To conduct a proper review, we need consultants who have experience with different transportation systems in a big country like Australia.Originally posted by fymk:Then tell me why does Singapore need foreign talents in higher paying jobs , sitting on top of Singaporeans? Why does Singapore LTA invite Australian consultants in to review a public transport station when Australia's public transport is not as good as compared to Singapore? (Don't argue with me on australian transportation system - I live in Australia - I KNOW). Why do they employ foreign consultants to evaluate and change when the system used to be running so well?
Without FT, more Singaporeans will lose jobs. Without foreign lawyers and bankers with specialist knowledge, multi-billion dollar mergers cannot be conducted here. Without top scientists and engineers, we cannot grow our R&D and without foreign workers who will work in wafer fabs, these businesses will move elsewhere, leading to more job losses for Singaporeans.Originally posted by fymk:Why does Singapore pay a million dollars to ministers to come up with a half-as$ed idea to bring foreign talents in? Temasek has been losing money with Shin corp and Optus ( they overpaid 10 billion for it) etc - since it is part of the Government's investment arm - why don't we retrench the top level management and the ministers responsible in such decision making skills? Why do the government need a 7% GST figure when they should cut the salary from underperforming ministers and civil servants? Why are the locals told to get a lower paid job when foreign talents are sitting on top?
Investment companies take risks, make profits and losses. It does not matter as long as the bottomline shows a healthy profit. Their net profit was S$7.4 billion (US$4.4 billion) in FY 2004, S$241 million in FY 2003 and S$4.92 billion in FY 2002 (http://www.temasekholdings.com.sg/). If they do not perform, they will have to account for it, as all commercial companies do.
Why 7% GST? So the government can cut the corporate tax to make Singapore competitive. Hong Kong and many of our competitors have a lower tax rate than us. To avoid losing businesses to them, we have to cut our corporate tax and yet have to raise more money for programs to support the poor. GST is the only way to raise the revenue.
Underperforming civil servants are regularly sacked and demoted...I KNOW 'cos
I have worked in the system.
If locals do not have the skills of a FT, of course they will have to accept a lower pay. That's just business. Life's prizes go the faster and stronger man.
If they are worried about survival, why are they not taking up the jobs in the wafer fabs that are forced to employ foreigners or else close shop? Wages are tied to what the market is prepared to pay for the products and services. If your product or service commands a low premium than another, you get lower wages. A trader may work 10 hours a day and earns $6000 a day. A cleaner may sweat in the hot sun for 10 hours a day and earns $600 a month. That's just what the market will pay for their respective services. And the cleaner is more likely to lose his job because there are more cheap foreigners who are able and willing to do the same job for less. Those foreigners cannot do the job of the trader.Originally posted by fymk:You cannot tell people to accept jobs which are lower in wages when you are earning a premium yourself. Most Singaporeans I read and know about are more worried about survival, like Derrick Wee ( the guy who was told to get out of Wee Shu Min's elite uncaring face) than some pay rise. Am I not right? -
CSJ would do better by working in a wafer fab to pay off his debtsOriginally posted by ShutterBug:From SDP: CSJ
Four years have passed and it is clear that the professors were right. Worse, Singaporeans have had to continue to suffer in silence under the PAP Government's ill-conceived policy even though it is reported that a majority of people want a more judicious application of the foreign talent (Sunday Times, 14 Jan 07).
The Singapore Democrats repeat our stand: The foreign talent policy must be re-examined so that only foreigners with the requisite skills are allowed to work in Singapore.
We proposed the Singaporeans First Policy back in 2001 where we wanted foreigners to get the jobs only when we cannot find Singaporeans with the necessary skills to do them.
The PAP Government is desperately trying to make-up for the stunted population growth that resulted from its cruel and myopic Stop-at-Two family planning policy by flooding the society with foreign nationals.
The resultant economic and social consequences from such an unthinking move will yet manifest themselves in horrendous ways, if they have not already.
In addition, the Government refuses to acknowledge that the slow birthrate in Singapore is primarily due to the high cost of living and stressful lifestyle in our society which deters couples from wanting more children.
It also ignores the fact that the exodus of Singaporeans, most of whom possess talent and skills our country needs, to other countries is a result of the suffocating system created by the PAP.
It is clear that the Government not only has no intention of owning up to these problems it created, but now seeks to plaster over them by encouraging the indiscriminate influx of foreign workers. -
>>The foreign talent policy must be re-examined so that only foreigners with the requisite skills are allowed to work in Singapore.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:CSJ would do better by working in a wafer fab to pay off his debts
>> Singaporeans First Policy back in 2001 where we wanted foreigners to get the jobs only when we cannot find Singaporeans with the necessary skills to do them.
>> The PAP Government is desperately trying to make-up for the stunted population growth that resulted from its cruel and myopic Stop-at-Two family planning policy by flooding the society with foreign nationals.
>> The resultant economic and social consequences from such an unthinking move will yet manifest themselves in horrendous ways, if they have not already.
>> In addition, the Government refuses to acknowledge that the slow birthrate in Singapore is primarily due to the high cost of living and stressful lifestyle in our society which deters couples from wanting more children.
>> It also ignores the fact that the exodus of Singaporeans, most of whom possess talent and skills our country needs, to other countries is a result of the suffocating system created by the PAP.
>> It is clear that the Government not only has no intention of owning up to these problems it created, but now seeks to plaster over them by encouraging the indiscriminate influx of foreign workers. -
If you are not willing to do shift work, dun come and bring the govt in...
That's your decision -
If you have a chance to explore the world for employment opportunities - go - ignore their namecalling - if they take quitters , you can be a quitter too - except you quit for a better pasture and lifestyle.
If you refuse to work when jobs are available - your fault for being unemployed. Take one and wait out til you have a chance or a shot at a higher paid job or going overseas.
If you are struggling and can't meet ends meet even with a job and cannot go overseas due to the lack of skill or resources - then you are trapped in the endless cycle of poverty and there is nothing you can do about it really unless you reskill to get out.
If you cannot afford to support a family with a kid or two - don't have a family with a kid - ignore what they say about having babies . You don't need your child/ren to suffer along with you.
That is the way Singapore is . You must always have your means to run out and do better for yourself. Life is unfair . No point whinging . Just explore outside of the box instead of expecting the useless million dollar a year minister to think of worthless jobs for you to do while letting FTs sit on you.
Don't let them control your life . Take onus for your life and go for a dream even if you have to leave . No point in staying in a dead end place unless you become a millionaire. -
Agreed. That's the advantage and consequence of globalisation. It's survival of the fittest. You lose your territory to stronger foreign invaders, you will just have to move to less favourable areas, drive out weaker ones, or accept that you will have less food until even that is taken away from you. That's life.Originally posted by fymk:If you have a chance to explore the world for employment opportunities - go - ignore their namecalling - if they take quitters , you can be a quitter too - except you quit for a better pasture and lifestyle.
If you refuse to work when jobs are available - your fault for being unemployed. Take one and wait out til you have a chance or a shot at a higher paid job or going overseas.
If you are struggling and can't meet ends meet even with a job and cannot go overseas due to the lack of skill or resources - then you are trapped in the endless cycle of poverty and there is nothing you can do about it really unless you reskill to get out.
If you cannot afford to support a family with a kid or two - don't have a family with a kid - ignore what they say about having babies . You don't need your child/ren to suffer along with you.
There is only one other solution: upgrade your skills, grow bigger and stronger and drive others out. Have your breakfast and avoid becoming another's breakfast. Don't die for your country, make the other poor b_astard die for his. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Awww oxford...I didn't know you think this way...
There is only one other solution: upgrade your skills, grow bigger and stronger and drive others out. Have your breakfast and avoid becoming another's breakfast. Don't die for your country, make the other poor b_astard die for his.
I was thinking in terms of "don't defend foreign interests" . Just defend your own interests first. Between a foreigner and a citizen - send the foreigner front line to test out the water ..and let him die if it is unviable.