Thai bully SG & downgrade relationship
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Thailand down grade relationship with SG
Permanent Secretary Krit registered ThailandÂ’s dissatisfaction on the said incident and its rationalization by the Singapore Government which, from ThailandÂ’s view, adversely affect trust and understanding between the two countries. After assessment of the situation, the Royal Thai Government has decided to implement the following:
2.Thailand discriminate Spore.
1. Cooperation under the framework of Thailand-Singapore Civil Service Exchange Programme (CSEP) is suspended;
2. The 8th CSEP Meeting scheduled to be held in Thailand from 29-31 January 2007 is called off; and
3. The invitation previously extended to Mr. George Yeo, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Singapore, to visit Thailand from 29-30 January 2007 is retracted.
In this regard, it is Thailand’s view that the incident is not consistent with what the President of Singapore told Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont during his official visit to Singapore in November 2006 that “We will never betray nor jeopardize that trust between Singapore and Thailand.” 16 January 2007
Thaksinhas spent most of his time since then in exile in London or Beijing
and spent days in HK.
Have Thai dared to protest to PRC or UK?
If Thai do so to PRC and UK ,I salute them.
3.Spore is not a small bro any more,to any one,even to US.Take note.
4.Tell me which country will crash with US President just for
canning a teen whose name is Michael Faye .
ONLY SPORE DARE TO DO THIS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
5.Even Thai Foreign Ministry said He and his wife can travel on ordinary passports.
So,what is wrong they are in Spore for a private visit?Notwithstanding, both Pol. Lt. col. Thaksin and Khunying Potjamarn, are still able to travel with their ordinary passports.
Elephant kow tow to big panda and big unicorn but bully the small lion!!
6.Thai nationals do not require visas to visit Singapore. There is no reason for Singapore to turn Dr Thaksin away. Prior to Singapore, Dr Thaksin had also visited several other countries without any protest by the Thai Government.
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MFA Spokesman's Comments on Thai MFAÂ’s decision to suspend the Thailand-Singapore CSEP*,etc
7.The Singapore Government notes that the position taken by the Thai Government is a response to the recent private visit of Dr Thaksin Shinawatra.
--SG MFA
The Singapore Government hopes that Thailand can appreciate Singapore's position on the visit. The Thai Government did not notify us that Dr Thaksin has been charged for any offence. There is also no restriction on where he can travel to. He had chosen to make a visit to Singapore on his own.
Dr Thaksin had asked to meet Deputy Prime Minister Professor S Jayakumar, who is an old friend. It was purely a social and private meeting. No official calls or meetings were arranged. Thai nationals do not require visas to visit Singapore.
There is no reason for Singapore to turn Dr Thaksin away. Prior to Singapore, Dr Thaksin had also visited several other countries without any protest by the Thai Government.
We are therefore saddened that the Thai Government has chosen to take this course of action. We hope Thailand will respect Singapore's position as that of a sovereign country. We value the longstanding friendly relations with Thailand."
8.IN FORCE ,I TRUST. -
Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Not Singapore dare to do, is Singapore cannot don't do, don't dare also must do it. If SG don't do it, do you think people still can believe in the law or be happy about it? Can SG still uphold its law? Afterall, SG talks about justices and fairness.
4.Tell me which country will crash with US President just for
canning a teen whose name is Michael Faye .
ONLY SPORE DARE TO DO THIS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
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One thing I dun understand. Why must the 146th reports DPM visit thaksin???
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But you must agree that our government really know how to step on people's toes... the trip to Taiwan by our PM being one such incident.
Being on such close diplomatic ties with the Thai government (ASEAN member and what not), I expect our government to show some sensitivity regarding this issue but they chosen to do otherwise... I wonder is there any agenda behind Thaksin's visit to Singapore? -
I am very sure there's agenda......Originally posted by bangkokboy:But you must agree that our government really know how to step on people's toes... the trip to Taiwan by our PM being one such incident.
Being on such close diplomatic ties with the Thai government (ASEAN member and what not), I expect our government to show some sensitivity regarding this issue but they chosen to do otherwise... I wonder is there any agenda behind Thaksin's visit to Singapore?
I think the govt really losing it.. -
Dun understand. Why they can't go msn and 'chat' right? Or come sgf also can 'chat' mah. The most use clone nicks also can.
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The Thai Government did not notify us that Dr Thaksin has been charged for any offence. There is also no restriction on where he can travel to. He had chosen to make a visit to Singapore on his own.
SG's MFA 16.Jan 2007 statement
Dr Thaksin had asked to meet Deputy Prime Minister Professor S Jayakumar, who is an old friend. It was purely a social and private meeting. No official calls or meetings were arranged. Thai nationals do not require visas to visit Singapore.
2.How SG can turn away Thaksin?
In Thai's wanted list?in INTERPOL wanted list?
3.Singapore's a sovereign country and decide things for her best interest. -
i think its what we call being 'sensitive' to neighbour's feelings.
its true that Thaksin stayed for quite a while in HK & UK, but did he meet with any political ppl there? Ok, maybe he did, but if he did, it was not disclosed, so, to outsiders, no one knows better.
i think the issue is not he visiting Singapore, its no problems because he is not a wanted man, he is not a criminal, he did not commit any crimes as far as we know of. The sensitivity comes from he meeting our DPM and cabinet minister. Sure, we claimed that they were friends, granted but, is it a bit "glam" and show-show for the media to report? If he wants to meet as friends, must it be reported? I think thats the sensitivity.
Already, sentiments are ruffled following the sale of Shin Corp although we maintained its above board and I am inclined to agree its clean. But in this world where the world is not comprised of Singapore alone, sometimes sensitivity should be shown. I don't think this is kow-towing to Thailand. Its just being sensitive. You don't talk happily about your relationship when your friend has just broken up right?
Same thing here, visit can, sure but since its a private visit, must it be made public? Its unnecessary. -
you can read from opening post that Thai MFA offically
admit that they can travel on ordinary passports.
Thai did not inform SG that he was charged on any offence
.Thai people can enter SG without visa.
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I think Singapore have no rights to ban anyone without malicious intention to enter Singapore.
But when an ousted political leader (Thaksin) from a neighbouring country came to visit our political leaders?
No. It's pure stupidity for any leader to allow a meeting with that particular leader, may it be private or diplomatic visit. At least we don't see any Tom or Dick (where Harry? He is known as MM now) go pay a visit to them as private visit.
I'm not surprised by the Thais' reaction following that visit.
One more thing. It's the the Shin Corp incident that ignited the ousting of Thaksin, it is not surprising for the new Thailand governement to be alarmed with Thaksin visiting Singapore political leaders.
So the "bullying" and "downgrading"?
It take two hands to clap. If Singapore did NOTHING to provoke Thailand government, do you think the new Thai government will take such a firm stand? -
No ground to turn him away what, he want to come here eat bak kut teh no one can stop him what.
Got people stop you from eating laksa before? -
Got.Originally posted by ditzy:No ground to turn him away what, he want to come here eat bak kut teh no one can stop him what. Got people stop you from eating laksa before?
Now must eat Ba Cho Mee with pig liver and also Mee Siam with Hum liao. -
This year National Day rally: Bak Kut Teh mia Bak Kut.
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the matter is not about him coming to singapore, but about him having a meeting with the leaders of singapore. whether it is a private or public event, it is still a fact that the great leaders of singapore indirectly caused the previous coup de'tat in thailand. the last thing you want to do now is for the same great leaders to be sitting down drinking tea and eating bakuteh with the ousted leader.
it's called sensitivity. -
I didnt know Thaksin and Jayakumar are old friends.
Of course the reasoning given to Thailand sound lame to them.
It is perhaps the same when Ah Bian from Taiwan want to visit USA for 'private visit and meet old friends'.
In fact nowadays it is so hard for Ah Bian to use 'private visit with friends' anymore, now he has to use 'aircraft refueling' excuse.
I am surprised the 'private visit with friends' is still being used.
Meat Pao. -
agreed...the reason is not strong enough..tts y they not happy i guessOriginally posted by Meat Pao:I didnt know Thaksin and Jayakumar are old friends.
Of course the reasoning given to Thailand sound lame to them.
It is perhaps the same when Ah Bian from Taiwan want to visit USA for 'private visit and meet old friends'.
In fact nowadays it is so hard for Ah Bian to use 'private visit with friends' anymore, now he has to use 'aircraft refueling' excuse.
I am surprised the 'private visit with friends' is still being used.
Meat Pao. -
I worried for our national football team if they get to play Thailand in the Tiger Cup finals.
And if they do, let's thrash them.
I am behind Singapore. -
Thaksin still have 70% support of the Thai people, but mainly poor and from the countryside. It is the middle-class who are against him.
And this military regime is taking Thailand backwards.
Perhaps it is time to withdraw Singapore's investments from Thailand.
And it is time that Singaporeans stop visiting Thailand too. -
Thailand bullying SG?
Really... but who soured relations in the first place??? -
Our gov damn good for lame reasons/excuses....Originally posted by Meat Pao:I didnt know Thaksin and Jayakumar are old friends.
Of course the reasoning given to Thailand sound lame to them.
It is perhaps the same when Ah Bian from Taiwan want to visit USA for 'private visit and meet old friends'.
In fact nowadays it is so hard for Ah Bian to use 'private visit with friends' anymore, now he has to use 'aircraft refueling' excuse.
I am surprised the 'private visit with friends' is still being used.
Meat Pao. -
Maybe they are going for damage control now.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Thailand bullying SG?
Really... but who soured relations in the first place???
But in doing so, may have caused things to become worse. -
aiyah dun huan lok things related to polictics la~~
How much truth can u know by reading a newpapers and tv news..?
Things is not what its seems in this world -
I am surprised by some of the remarks made here... Personally I felt that Singapore have every right to let anyone visit or visit anyone. They do not have to seek permission from any Ah Gou or Ah Niao for them to do things. This is especially true since he do not require VISA and he is not a criminal. Sensitivity-wise, all the procedures used are for "private" visit and I do not think we should obey Thai who decide who we should visit or not visit. So is it recommended that this "old friend" of Thaksin can never see him ever again ? I think this is their personal rights.
It seems to me that the current Thai Gov behaves like little kids claiming "I don't friend him, my friends also cannot friend him" kind of mentality. But seeing the things they had done before, it is not a surprise and they are inflicting more political damage to themselves.
About the deal with Thaksin telecom company, it is strictly a business deal. It is perfectly legal and it is a tragedy that it have been politicised to this. Nobody can foresee the military coup then. -
U are wrong la...
Like i said dun huan lok things related to polictics la..
What if this trip made by Thaksin to Singapore is a danger to Thai nation interest
Tat bugger could sell his whole country nation and its own pple for god knows his own benefits and interests -
The coup has down graded Thailand, now they want a down grade tie with Singapore.
