Thai bully SG & downgrade relationship
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My knowledge of law is next to nothing so I apologise for any assumptions, however more charges are now being brought up against Thaksin. I don't know if his actions are legal or not, Thaksin is guilty or not, but the investigation board will require more time.
I know the phrase 'innocent until proven otherwise' but I would rather our DPM practise sensitivity. The key word is sensitivity, not freedom of rights.
Former premier Thaksin Shinawatra acknowledged the controversial 772-million-baht land deal by giving written permission to his wife, Khunying Potjaman, to buy the 33-rai plot from the Financial Institutions Development Fund (FIDF) in 2003, a reliable source said yesterday. The evidence includes the ousted prime minister's letter of consent that was sought by the military-appointed assets scrutiny committee to back up its probe, according to the source. Khunying Potjaman is alleged to have bought the land at a price much lower than market value. The panel also suspected that the bidding conditions were manipulated to help her secure the deal. This issue has led to debate about whether or not Mr Thaksin breached Article 100 of the Counter Corruption Act which bars state officials, the prime minister, members of the cabinet and their spouses from entering into or having interests in a contract with a state agency where they have authority to oversee, control, regulate and execute. Article 122 of the same act which stipulates punishment for breaching Article 100 said the officials would not be guilty if they can prove they did not acknowledge or permit the action(s) of their spouse. But this kind of immunity seems to no longer apply to Mr Thaksin, then the premier, as the source close to the issue said Mr Thaksin had submitted his letter of consent to the Land Department one day before the deal was secured by his wife. -
It was a technical issue. In parts of Bangkok and in southern Thailand, most TRT candidates were elected on minority votes after the majority of voters used the "abstain" option on their ballot papers. In a number of southern seats TRT candidates failed to poll the required 20% of registered voters, rendering the results in these seats invalid. Thus as there were still quite a number of empty seats in the government, the government was not recognised and the election considered not valid.Originally posted by Temp01:I spent 1 hour writing funny story about the junta. But somehow i lost it. I write it again.
1. funny thing about the judge......
Last year we had one election. the result was
Thaksin's party : 16 million vote:
No-Vote : 10 million vote
Others : around 2 miiloon vote...
Guess what, the judge said that since no-vote was so high... half of vote for Thaksin (party) is lower than no-vote... therefore ... the election was not valid.
This is the logic of some Thai people who have been propagandized by Thai media and the elite group who thought themself smarter than the other people.
They weight some vote 0.5 and some vote is 1. .... what do you think ? I think it truly look down humanity. -
Yes, unfortunately they chose to overreact. However I was shocked that Thaksin gave his interview to CNN in Singapore. Why in the world Singapore allowed that to happen? That is a really politically dumb thing to do. In the political world, you either make 'friends' or enemies...Originally posted by Mid9Sun:The Thai govt can protest or something..but now they seems to act like a spoilt child. -
So its singapore's fault that thaksin gave an interview to cnn while in singapore?
What if thaksin gave the same interview in let's say errrr britain? -
quote:Originally posted by bangkokboy:My knowledge of law is next to nothing so I apologise for any assumptions, however more charges are now being brought up against Thaksin. I don't know if his actions are legal or not, Thaksin is guilty or not, but the investigation board will require more time.
I know the phrase 'innocent until proven otherwise' but I would rather our DPM practise sensitivity. The key word is sensitivity, not freedom of rights.
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Former premier Thaksin Shinawatra acknowledged the controversial 772-million-baht land deal by giving written permission to his wife, Khunying Potjaman, to buy the 33-rai plot from the Financial Institutions Development Fund (FIDF) in 2003, a reliable source said yesterday. The evidence includes the ousted prime minister's letter of consent that was sought by the military-appointed assets scrutiny committee to back up its probe, according to the source. Khunying Potjaman is alleged to have bought the land at a price much lower than market value. The panel also suspected that the bidding conditions were manipulated to help her secure the deal. This issue has led to debate about whether or not Mr Thaksin breached Article 100 of the Counter Corruption Act which bars state officials, the prime minister, members of the cabinet and their spouses from entering into or having interests in a contract with a state agency where they have authority to oversee, control, regulate and execute. Article 122 of the same act which stipulates punishment for breaching Article 100 said the officials would not be guilty if they can prove they did not acknowledge or permit the action(s) of their spouse. But this kind of immunity seems to no longer apply to Mr Thaksin, then the premier, as the source close to the issue said Mr Thaksin had submitted his letter of consent to the Land Department one day before the deal was secured by his wife.
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This is another funny case. Wife of Thaksin bought the land in the bidding from FIDF.
They accused that the deal was invalid, when Thaksin was still in the govt. It's accused this ..conflict of interest.
The truth is FIDF is a free body. It's not under governmenet. It's under Bank of Thailand. It's set up for that pupurse. Thaksin people already checked this with legal advicer already bf doing the deal.
Now the Junta tried to find someone to sue Thakin wife. But nobody is willing to do, because it's so obvious that it is not illegal.
Anyway, the Junta and the team keep trying say to newspaper. And the bad nespaper keep playing this articles. And ignorance keep reading it withing trying to find the reality. They thought they know more than the others.
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Now Thaksin is in China, his lawyer said that some media wants to make some interview from him. ....... If this is true, I hope that Thai Junta will make some protest by calling the ambassdor of China in Thailand to give some lecture.
Moreover, Thaksin 2 months ago visit Indonesia meeting the minister and having dinner or lunch together on private visit. .... Thais junta quiet??
......... Now in Bangkok, I heard people saying that the media or the junta men trying to setup a group of person to protest in front of Singaporean embassy. (pls be sure that, it's setting up)
I hope that Singaporean will act stronger. The message from Foreign Minister is nice and polite to deal with these uncivilized group of people. -
dear friends...
I just received some analysis that.. the Junta is trying to play nationalism game in order to rule their own people.
The victim of the game are Singapore and Thaksin.
It's quite the same way Bush does this in Iraq. (I don't know how to explain very well, I hope you get the trick)
Media is being corporate with the Junta, of course they will be rewarded with something.
This has already start in Thai Version newspaper and interview from top officer of the Junta.
..... the analysis also said that, this will also to rob the money from Singaporean company in Thailand. (They own a lot of shares in Thailand, especially after 1997 crisis the elite group lost their share to foreign company, this is another conspiracy behind the move)
The Deputy priminister of SG and the govt. probably are aware of this thing that happen to SG's interests. I hope they will be planning well to handle that. -
frankly speaking, i dun understand why our governments' backside so itchy. the temesek issue had done alot of damage in our R/S. now this...
it's like telling the Thais Singapore is helping Thaksin to get back his throne as PM. -
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Frankly Temp01 I get your point, and I also disagree with the broadcast blockout of Thaksin's interview in Singapore. However right now, what we don't understand is why Singapore allowed herself to be embroiled in this controversy. Isn't it better to just play a neutral role? Singapore has nothing to gain out of this. Absolutely NOTHING.Originally posted by Temp01:dear friends...
I just received some analysis that.. the Junta is trying to play nationalism game in order to rule their own people.
The victim of the game are Singapore and Thaksin.
It's quite the same way Bush does this in Iraq. (I don't know how to explain very well, I hope you get the trick)
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The Deputy priminister of SG and the govt. probably are aware of this thing that happen to SG's interests. I hope they will be planning well to handle that.
The only winner from this unfortunate event? Thaksin. If you think about it, the Thai junta has nothing to gain from poor relations with Singapore in the long term, neither does Singapore have anything to gain. Thaksin has played his cards well, he is trying to focus the media spotlight on the current government. Whether or not the current Junta is good or bad is besides the issue.
Singapore has unfortunately allowed herself to be used again. Hope everything turns out well. -
Please do not remind us the foolishness of Lee hsien Loong, who had reflected the politic's dumbness in that event.Originally posted by maurizio13:He didn't just stepped on China's toe. He realised that he stepped on China's toe, then he stepped on Taiwan's toe just to even the scores. Thereafter, you have both China and Taiwan hating Singapore.
What kind of stupid diplomacy is that?
It is only reminding us that he does not possess the wisdom of a prime minister one ought to has.
I pity those who are under him. Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. -
Neutralise Tom Yam Soup with Singapore SlingOriginally posted by lionnoisy:2.Now Thai already announced the penalty. SG have to play with
Thai till end of game,since already pay the price.
3.THai should invite SG top officails in Sg to Thai Embassy
for a Tom Yam soup high tea to 'request' them,in private,
not to keep him in SG any more.
i think that will be more effective.
4.SG eat soft but not hard.The worst is Thai carry one big eye and one
small eye.Thai never scold UK and PRC for keeping him for months.
But scold SG for keeping him for Days!! -
Originally posted by ninefold9:
Haha I think confirm go toilet many times...
[b]Neutralise Tom Yam Soup with Singapore Sling[/b] -
Nobody would dare to say that it is Britain's fault but will praise Britain for allowing freedom of speech.Originally posted by ditzy:So its singapore's fault that thaksin gave an interview to cnn while in singapore? What if thaksin gave the same interview in let's say errrr britain? 
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Britain is not really Thailand's neighbour right? Britian not really a member of ASEAN right?Originally posted by sgdiehard:Nobody would dare to say that it is Britain's fault but will praise Britain for allowing freedom of speech.
Which hurts more? A distant friend whom you seldom communicate with causing you hurt or your close friend causing you hurt? -
Anyway the fact is Singapore allowed it to happen... I don't know how true it is, but someone mentioned that it is the first time Thaksin has officially granted a private interview since the September 06 coup. If it is true that it is the first time, I don't know what you guys would harp upon next.
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Originally posted by ditzy:
So its singapore's fault that thaksin gave an interview to cnn while in singapore? What if thaksin gave the same interview in let's say errrr britain? -
Like singapore controls cnn.Originally posted by bangkokboy:Anyway the fact is Singapore allowed it to happen... I don't know how true it is, but someone mentioned that it is the first time Thaksin has officially granted a private interview since the September 06 coup. If it is true that it is the first time, I don't know what you guys would harp upon next. Like singapore even knew he was going to do an interview with cnn, like singapore even knew he likes to eat the bak kut teh at rangoon road. -
Don't tell me that Singapore government couldn't control its own DPM behaviour and would let him do anything he wanted to do.
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Like Singapore doesn't know it's DPM is meeting up with Thaksin.Originally posted by ditzy:Like singapore controls cnn. Like singapore even knew he was going to do an interview with cnn, like singapore even knew he likes to eat the bak kut teh at rangoon road. -
Singapore managed to prevent (ban if you like) WDM's appearance at the recent IMF meeting. Singapore has control, however for some magical reason CNN managed to slip through everything and conducted that interview with Thaksin. Simply magical... even more fantastic because you claimed that Singapore knows absolutely nothing. Simply fantastic.
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Demonstration in a public place is against Singapore law. Speaking to the media is not. In fact, anyone can exercise his freedom of speech and deal with the media, so long as he stays within the law.Originally posted by bangkokboy:Singapore managed to prevent (ban if you like) WDM's appearance at the recent IMF meeting. Singapore has control, however for some magical reason CNN managed to slip through everything and conducted that interview with Thaksin. Simply magical... even more fantastic because you claimed that Singapore knows absolutely nothing. Simply fantastic.
However, I do not believe in unrestricted freedom of speech. In instances like this, national interests must rise above personal liberties. The government should have muzzled Thaksin or better yet, arrange for Thaksin to have his interview in a third country.
By allowing him to speak to CNN, Singapore respected his rights to freedom of speech. But how much is that worth compared to our national interests? The Singapore government made a bad call in this.
A defeated friend who is an enemy of a victorious neighbour is a huge liability. Dump Thaksin....we should have done that the moment the Thai king supported the military coup. -
Thanks for the clarification regarding the legal part.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Demonstration in a public place is against Singapore law. Speaking to the media is not. In fact, anyone can exercise his freedom of speech and deal with the media, so long as he stays within the law.
However, I do not believe in unrestricted freedom of speech. In instances like this, national interests must rise above personal liberties. The government should have muzzled Thaksin or better yet, arrange for Thaksin to have his interview in a third country. -
What we should have done in this affair is to persuade Thaksin to meet his friend Jayakumar in Hong Kong. Arrange for the CNN reporters to interview Thaksin there.Originally posted by bangkokboy:Thanks for the clarification regarding the legal part.
We then leak to the Thai government that Thaksin has requested permission to meet Jayakumar as a private individual. We cannot prevent that but we will not allow him to have that meeting on Singapore soil, out of deference to Thai sensitivities. Hong Kong prides itself on freedom of expression and human rights. They will have to allow CNN to interview Thaksin in Hong Kong.
Let the Thais find fault with Hong Kong, our closest rival. We gain the goodwill of the victorious military junta and we gain from whatever damage is done to Thai-Hong Kong relations.
Kill two birds with one stone. Once again, bad call by the Singapore government. If you want to do politics, you have to be amoral and decisive. The only bottomline is national interests...everything else is secondary. -
Well said. Explains everything in one post.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:What we should have done in this affair is to persuade Thaksin to meet his friend Jayakumar in Hong Kong. Arrange for the CNN reporters to interview Thaksin there.
We then leak to the Thai government that Thaksin has requested permission to meet Jayakumar as a private individual. We cannot prevent that but we will not allow him to have that meeting on Singapore soil, out of deference to Thai sensitivities. Hong Kong prides itself on freedom of expression and human rights. They will have to allow CNN to interview Thaksin in Hong Kong.
Let the Thais find fault with Hong Kong, our closest rival. We gain the goodwill of the victorious military junta and we gain from whatever damage is done to Thai-Hong Kong relations.
Kill two birds with one stone. Once again, bad call by the Singapore government. If you want to do politics, you have to be amoral and decisive. The only bottomline is national interests...everything else is secondary. -
Just a question... if CNN want to interview Thaksin and Thaksin agree, under what law and reason should Singapore give to prevent the 2 parties from conducting the interview ? If we forcefully stop the 2 parties from interviewing, CNN may portray Singapore in a bad light and still rub the wrong way for Thaksin supporters in Thailand... Another thing is... I believe Thaksin cannot go to Hong Kong as that will require a VISA... and no country is going to issue him with a VISA...
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And vomitting blood as well!!!!Originally posted by bangkokboy:Haha I think confirm go toilet many times... may not be blood but chilli!!!