NS challenge question - something I read .
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So my aunt's husband is holding New Zealand citizenship (not sure is he holding SG PR, think he is since he's working in sg), my aunt is holding Singapore Citizenship and her son is holding New Zealand Citizenship + SG PR, that makes her son a second gen PR? Can her son escape NS? If it's possible to escape NS, under what circumstances?
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If I were her, I would terminate the PR status now of her child now than risk him doing NS . Laws change all the time. Who is to say what will happen now about his NS obligations. If by 18, he already touched the fringe benefits of Singapore, he is obligated by law to serve (if I am not wrong). Legislation changes all the time - I suggest while it is safe , just cancel it . Send the kid back to NZ to study and live instead of touching the affordable world class education of Singapore or the world class health service of Singapore.Originally posted by furb:So my aunt's husband is holding New Zealand citizenship (not sure is he holding SG PR, think he is since he's working in sg), my aunt is holding Singapore Citizenship and her son is holding New Zealand Citizenship + SG PR, that makes her son a second gen PR? Can her son escape NS? If it's possible to escape NS, under what circumstances?
Cancelling the PR status for a young kid might not have serious consequences but he risk never to gain Singaporean citizenship or permanent residency rather than be a criminal. If her child touches those said benefits of the world class institution Singapore is , I will support Singapore in chasing him down for National Service . That is being fair to the locals who have to stay back.
2nd gen PR means if dad put the kid on application - he is 2nd gen. If he goes under work pass holder , at least the child is not obligated to do NS.
That is why if I have a son, he won't be brought up in Singapore ,he won't be declared as a Singaporean citizen because he will be likely Australian by virtue of birth and he will stay so. He won't touch any of the said benefits of Singapore so that he will not be obliged to do NS. That is being fair to Singapore and I . My son and I don't touch Singaporean resources , Singapore don't touch my son.
In doing so , he will have the option of going anywhere he likes in the future without condemnation. If he chooses Singapore citizenship by descent to get to the benefits and if he gets it , it obligates him to do NS and I won't bloody care because it is his choice to take a benefit of a country and repay the country . It's pretty simple. -
accidental triple posting
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Well I'm not sure about my aunt or whether is her husband under a work permit or PR, though I heard her once that she do not want to allow her son to go NS thats why she choose to go to New Zealand to give birth.
I'm sure she knows/prepared what to do since she had decided to go through this route, though my mum thinks that eventually she will change her mind and let her son go through NS.
Just brought up this stuff about my aunt out of my curiousity since its quite similar with the thread title. Though there is one thing I still do not understand, under what circumstances do means that you have touched the benefits of Singapore (attend primary school and so on through gov. subsidy?).
One thing I want to confirm:
First situation - Father is a PR, mother a SG citizen and son holding NZ citizenship but a SG PR = 2 gen? NS = Yes?
Second Situation - Father under work permit, mother a SG citizen and son holding NZ citizenship but a SG PR = not 2 gen? NS = No?
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This is how the system is farking up Singapore...
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he can if he forfeits his singapore pr like what one of my brit friends here did, which i feel is cowardly and selfish since he stayed here for 9 years and reaped the benefits of having PR but running away when responsiblity comes chasing. he can come back as a foreign national but can never obtain pr, stay for long periods and work or study here ever again.Originally posted by furb:So my aunt's husband is holding New Zealand citizenship (not sure is he holding SG PR, think he is since he's working in sg), my aunt is holding Singapore Citizenship and her son is holding New Zealand Citizenship + SG PR, that makes her son a second gen PR? Can her son escape NS? If it's possible to escape NS, under what circumstances? -
The son can come back to Sinkapore to be FT, better than a citizen....LOL
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the son will NEVER obtain a work visa in singapore if he chooses to "siam" ns.Originally posted by betrayed:The son can come back to Sinkapore to be FT, better than a citizen....LOL
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I got buddy who did just that.Originally posted by will4:There r cases of NSF in army running away to other countries by applying leave n never come back. I supported his action though, because the fucking MO wanted to send him back for BMT even though his knee is so badly busted up he cannot afford one more injury. -
This reminds me of a story about a certain pianist.Originally posted by vito_corleone:the son will NEVER obtain a work visa in singapore if he chooses to "siam" ns. -
Originally posted by charlize:This reminds me of a story about a certain pianist.
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The gahmen does not mention the fact that lots of the FT who get their PRs, decide to leave once they decide to have children, because they do not want their children to be conscripted into the army.
Exhibit A: Neil Humphreys (He does not say it, but I rather suspect that is the case) -
Originally posted by fymk:
I don't think serving NS has anything to do with fairness. Even the NS booklet
If I were her, I would terminate the PR status now of her child now than risk him doing NS . Laws change all the time. Who is to say what will happen now about his NS obligations. If by 18, he already touched the fringe benefits of Singapore, he is obligated by law to serve (if I am not wrong). Legislation changes all the time - I suggest while it is safe , just cancel it . Send the kid back to NZ to study and live instead of touching the affordable world class education of Singapore or the world class health service of Singapore.
Cancelling the PR status for a young kid might not have serious consequences but he risk never to gain Singaporean citizenship or permanent residency rather than be a criminal. If her child touches those said benefits of the world class institution Singapore is , [b] I will support Singapore in chasing him down for National Service . That is being fair to the locals who have to stay back.
2nd gen PR means if dad put the kid on application - he is 2nd gen. If he goes under work pass holder , at least the child is not obligated to do NS.
That is why if I have a son, he won't be brought up in Singapore ,he won't be declared as a Singaporean citizen because he will be likely Australian by virtue of birth and he will stay so. He won't touch any of the said benefits of Singapore so that he will not be obliged to do NS. That is being fair to Singapore and I . My son and I don't touch Singaporean resources , Singapore don't touch my son.
In doing so , he will have the option of going anywhere he likes in the future without condemnation. If he chooses Singapore citizenship by descent to get to the benefits and if he gets it , it obligates him to do NS and I won't bloody care because it is his choice to take a benefit of a country and repay the country . It's pretty simple.
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state NS is more of a need than fairness. If we want to talk abt fairness women should serve NS as well and citizens should have access to free and fair -something that starts with e- ..i don't dare to comment much in case ISD
is after me the next day , after all, to me singapore is the PAP and PAP is singapore...anyone who says otherwise is as good as saying North Korea is not equal to Kim Jung II -
Ah but I am in a position to create my own version of fairness and let my future son decide for himself.Originally posted by circleofwinter:I don't think serving NS has anything to do with fairness. Even the NS booklet
state NS is more of a need than fairness. If we want to talk abt fairness women should serve NS as well and citizens should have access to free and fair -something that starts with e- ..i don't dare to comment much in case ISD
is after me the next day , after all, to me singapore is the PAP and PAP is singapore...anyone who says otherwise is as good as saying North Korea is not equal to Kim Jung II
Just don't register a son born overseas as Singaporean but that of a birth country which does not require conscription. If he does not claim citizenship of Singapore nor plan to live in Singapore - he is not obligated to serve NS. He can come back as FT as far as I am concerned. Not like they are going to comb through who is parents are.
If you declare him for the sole purpose of him attaining Singapore citizenship and staying in Singapore as a resident - then he is obligated to do NS to obtain the citizenship.