Is Xiaxue the asian Jade Goody?
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hmm... how come nobody here raise the issue that UK is a racist country, with such blantant racism aired over national TV?Originally posted by saffron60:I think you've heard about the racism row in UK and India featuring top chav celeb Jade Goody on Celebrity Big Brother (CBB). -
Like I say, that is why I say the word "racist" she use on her blog is too strong a word.
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We already have one in our backyard, why go so far?Originally posted by sgdiehard:hmm... how come nobody here raise the issue that UK is a racist country, with such blantant racism aired over national TV?
And at least the Brits have the public decency to raise a huge protest over such a thing, do we? We let such a character run rampant on our screen and market her as a national "celebrity" when she is actually a national shame. -
Ok, let's just put a scenerio here. Suppose we're in a crowded MRT train, going to work or outing and dressed with clean clothes and smell like fresh blooms [whatever that means to each individual
]. We have our mood and work cut out for the day 
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We are being open-minded, no grouses towards anyone, race, colour etc. In other words, we are being equal. We enjoy the ppl around us. We love them all!!
Train stops at a station, in pops in several foreigners or ppl [I don't wanna pin on a specific race/country. You have to figure it out with your own experience].
The BO that was emitted by this group of newly arrived ppl smelt like they have not have a changed of clean clothing or bath for at least a week. It is so overpowering that one cannot help but inwardly start cursing and swearing at this group. One has to either move away from them or pretend that the air is bearable [also have to hope that their BO don't stick to oneself too!].
Fine, it happens only once. Just bad luck to come across this kind of ppl in the same time and place. What would our reaction be if we happen to come across these kind of ppl and BO over several episodes. Not forgetting, taking the MRT train gives us many opportunity to meet such group repeatedly. Ultimately, we would inwardly brand that these kind of ppl are a pain [wherever you choose that pain to bother you.]
That will surely constitute being racist to a certain group of ppl. Of course, it will be a subtle way. No outward acknowledgement. But we still are racist, that's for sure.
People here can condem this or that person for being racist, but are we, seriously an angel who will treat or has treated all as equal beings? That will surely be a huge question mark that each of us have to answer by ourselves, rather than just be part of the crowd to condem someone else for being racist. -
Deportment and grooming classes, anyone?
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People here can condem this or that person for being racist, but are we, seriously an angel who will treat or has treated all as equal beings? That will surely be a huge question mark that each of us have to answer by ourselves, rather than just be part of the crowd to condem someone else for being racist.
Whoever said anything about being an angel? The difference is this:
Having these experiences in the MRT, does one as an individual take steps to understand why this group of people cause this event and try to understand or even get them to understand how we can all compromise to reach an acceptable solution for everybody.
Or does one start trying to cement the bad blood and opinion in society by ranting and spreading ill feelings, and worse, call for a ban on these people in the MRT?
I think the difference is clear, Wendy ChengÂ’s actions ought, and should to be condemned.
Come to think of it, it is part of Chinese tradition to create a lot of pollution and smoke for other Singaporeans during an event every yearÂ… would we prefer their response to tolerate and try to understand this or launch into outright resistance and condemnation?
The answer is quite clear, it is our duty to fight racism everywhere we see it, within ourselves and in soceity as well. Backing down to what Wendy Cheng does is the equivalent of shunning this duty.
Would anyone not condemn and try to stop a molestor or rapist even though you know that lust exists in themselves to some extent? Is it any different with racism? -
What if xiaxue gets screwed by a bangladeshi willingly?
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if the bangladeshi is rather hot, then she wouldn't be too traumatised. apparently, it would be "Not totally not traumatizing, but significantly less traumatizing" if the person were to be a good-looking person.Originally posted by bila_prem:What if xiaxue gets screwed by a bangladeshi willingly?
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Having these experiences in the MRT, [b]does one as an individual take steps to understand why this group of people cause this event and try to understand or even get them to understand how we can all compromise to reach an acceptable solution [/b]for everybody.
Or does one start trying to cement the bad blood and opinion in society by ranting and spreading ill feelings, and worse, call for a ban on these people in the MRT?
I agree wholeheartedly, the same can be said for XX. Should we not "as an individual take steps to understand why" XX "cause this event and try to understand or even get XX to understand how we can all compromise to reach an acceptable solution" instead of trying to cast a net to get ppl to write complains against her speech? Btw, the forum starter should in his/own right make the complaints his/herself, rather than get others to support his/her motive. Why need others to do it?
Are we not doing the very same thing in XX's case?I think the difference is clear, Wendy ChengÂ’s actions ought, and should to be condemned.
Arn't we secretly condeming those ppl in the MRT cases when we come up close and personal to that situation. -
Originally posted by fymk:
What makes you think the government has not started an investigation on her? Xiaxue is probably grinning away because she knows that there is not enough proof for her to be charged under the sedition act. So the next course of action would be to complain to the network that is currently employing her.
Did you know that you can complain to the government about her expressions instead of whining here? REMEMBER you have the [b] SEDITION ACT .
Jeez people .....not happy about it , just go and complain to mediacorp and top it off with a sedition act.
If I were you , I would question how she would be able to tell the difference between a Singaporean indian and a bangladeshi if both don't open their mouths . Likewise a prc chinese and a singaporean chinese or a malaysian malay and a Singaporean malay.[/b]
I think some of her critics have already questioned how she would be able to tell the difference between the different races within different nationalities. We are well aware of the mistake that she made. -
Are we not doing the very same thing in XX's case?
Are you mixing up a condemnation of Wendy Cheng and the condemnation of her actions?
This is not to mention she has refused on countless attempts at reconciliation from others who were trying to understand her point of view and get her to see the appropriate response to her own feelings and opinions to her target group.
She has however remained unrepentant, recalcitrant, and even upped the level of her tasteless comments. Given this and all the chances she has been given at gentle reconciliation, should she not finally be stopped when she shown herself to be wilful towards all possibilities of peaceful resolution?
Should she not be made to answer for her own words outside of the soapbox of her own blog given her words have reached out of her blog and indicted people outside of it? If not, at the very least should society in itself speak up against this kind of ignorant and senseless behaviour?
One must consider as well, the ongoing harm she is inflicting to the reputation of her target group. She has turned a social issue into an unbalanced monster of her own creation, encouraging us to believe along with her that social group is not worthy of kind consideration, celebrating stereotypes, ignorance and justifying them by saying that since they stem from our instincts, hence itÂ’s okay to indulge in them?
These wilful and dastardly actions should certainly be condemned, or would we like to tell the world that we glorify a xenophobic, culturally ignorant, tactless and racist character as a celebrity?
Unlike Borat which shows how ridiculous racism eventually makes people out to be (throwing money to cockroaches and living in ignorant fear), Wendy is attempting to glorify this kind of thought as not only natural, but highly desirable in our way of viewing the world. Her talk of banning a certain race and nationality from Orchard Road is not satire, but what she actually wishes things to be.
As I said, replace that nationality with any of our numerous local ethnicities, and she will be made to answer for her words very quickly. Why should it be different now that sheÂ’s making comments about another ethnicity? Indeed if we admit that we are all racists subtly and intend to respond correctly to that, taking a stand towards her is indeed the thing to do.
Someone said that if you really do want to do something about it, compose a simple E-Mail to mediacorp to tell them what you really think about having such a character in our main media at:
[email protected]
[email protected]
IÂ’ve done my part, what about many of those others who have spoken up in here that they donÂ’t want to tolerate this kind of behaviour anymore?
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How do you know that UK is a racist country? Have you even been there? I've been there and just like any other country in the world, there exists racist people, but that does not make it a racist country.Originally posted by sgdiehard:hmm... how come nobody here raise the issue that UK is a racist country, with such blantant racism aired over national TV?
I think you should read more news about the CBB race row before you comment, because it sounds like you misunderstood what's happening about the race row. -
I've said it before and I have to say it again, because some people still continue to justify that it is ''alright to have racist thoughts''.
it is very easy and convenient to 'blame' one's inherent nature for their racist behaviour. Some people will argue that their racist thoughts are at an unconscious level, thus they can't help how they feel about it and because of that, they believe that everyone has got a little bit of racist nature in themselves.
Human beings have the ability to think with logic, a sense of morals and have many other factors that influence their behaviour. To say that people can't help but follow their natural instincts is like comparing people to animals, so basically what xiaxue is saying is that human beings have the same level of thinking as animals.
Some people will also say that it's alright to have racist thoughts because they've had bad personal experiences before. To me, this is a lazy way of thinking because it is always so easy to assign blame to a particular race rather than to think about it in a more reasonable and logical fashion. Instead of criticizing the offending behaviour, they choose to pick on the race of the alleged offender instead.
I'll give you an example of what I've experienced. Currently where I'm staying, during peak holiday season, there's a lot of middle eastern tourists. Sometimes some of these groups of tourist annoy me because they don't have proper ettiquette when it comes to using the lift. Some of these groups can be very noisy in the hallway as well.
I was annoyed by their behaviour, but do I consider myself as a racist?
No.
Do I have racist thoughts about these people?
No, I don't approve of their behaviour but that doesn't mean that I don't approve of them as a 'race'.
Even if the tiniest amount of racist thoughts starts brewing in my head, does that make me a racist?
No, because MY COMMON SENSE TELLS ME IT IS WRONG TO HAVE SUCH THOUGHTS. I should be thinking about it in a more reasonable and non-judgemental way.
So my conclusion is that, most likely these tourists who happen to be from the middle east probably don't have much experience using the type of lifts that are in the residences. When the lift door slams right in front of my face when I try to get in, I think that they (when i say 'they', I am talking about the person/s who commited the act not the race) lack awareness of others who want to get into the lift as well, and they may lack some social skills in that area, probably, their culture, background and education has got some degree of influence on their behaviour. BOTTOM LINE IS, I don't blame their race, if I want to blame anyone, I'd rather blame the individual or group of people who committed the offensive behaviour. -
u dun kp la.Originally posted by FireAndHell:Ok, let's just put a scenerio here. Suppose we're in a crowded MRT train, going to work or outing and dressed with clean clothes and smell like fresh blooms [whatever that means to each individual ]. We have our mood and work cut out for the day .
We are being open-minded, no grouses towards anyone, race, colour etc. In other words, we are being equal. We enjoy the ppl around us. We love them all!!
Train stops at a station, in pops in several foreigners or ppl [I don't wanna pin on a specific race/country. You have to figure it out with your own experience].
The BO that was emitted by this group of newly arrived ppl smelt like they have not have a changed of clean clothing or bath for at least a week. It is so overpowering that one cannot help but inwardly start cursing and swearing at this group. One has to either move away from them or pretend that the air is bearable [also have to hope that their BO don't stick to oneself too!].
Fine, it happens only once. Just bad luck to come across this kind of ppl in the same time and place. What would our reaction be if we happen to come across these kind of ppl and BO over several episodes. Not forgetting, taking the MRT train gives us many opportunity to meet such group repeatedly. Ultimately, we would inwardly brand that these kind of ppl are a pain [wherever you choose that pain to bother you.]
That will surely constitute being racist to a certain group of ppl. Of course, it will be a subtle way. No outward acknowledgement. But we still are racist, that's for sure.
People here can condem this or that person for being racist, but are we, seriously an angel who will treat or has treated all as equal beings? That will surely be a huge question mark that each of us have to answer by ourselves, rather than just be part of the crowd to condem someone else for being racist.
dey apply stuff in their bodies u say BO.
its their religion leh, dun insult can anot. -
what in the news about the CBB race row that tells you no racism was involved? there is no doubt the laws in UK and in most countries prohibit racism of any kind, and some form of racism exist in all societies, but for it to be aired over the TV, it only shows how the people there are concious of people who are different. Discrimination due to ignorance is not racism??Originally posted by saffron60:How do you know that UK is a racist country? Have you even been there? I've been there and just like any other country in the world, there exists racist people, but that does not make it a racist country.
I think you should read more news about the CBB race row before you comment, because it sounds like you misunderstood what's happening about the race row.
When there is a cricket match between England and India, who do you think those indian holding british passports would support? don't assume I haven't been there. -
There is some degree of racism involved, although some viewers think that it stems more from ignorance rather than racism. This is a very grey area which is being debated on until today. However, most people did complain there were elements of bullying, which were either racially motivated or due to ignorance, which instigated the racist remarks; and yes, there is some element of racism involved in both reasons. Read more about the debate on:Originally posted by sgdiehard:what in the news about the CBB race row that tells you no racism was involved? there is no doubt the laws in UK and in most countries prohibit racism of any kind, and some form of racism exist in all societies, but for it to be aired over the TV, it only shows how the people there are concious of people who are different. Discrimination due to ignorance is not racism??
When there is a cricket match between England and India, who do you think those indian holding british passports would support? don't assume I haven't been there.
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?threadID=5271&&&edition=2&ttl=20070124144941
You also said:
When there is a cricket match between England and India, who do you think those indian holding british passports would support? don't assume I haven't been there. [/quote][/b]
I think you oversimplify this issue. It is much more complicated than you make it out to be. Some indians, although they have migrated to the UK, may be loyalists to India and not very patriotic to UK when it comes to cricket but that doesn't mean that they are racist. My goodness, you really have to read more about issues concerning racism. -
So let's say one day while boarding the bus , a ah-soh pushed past me because she was carrying 2 big bags of groccery and scrambling to get a seat (actually this often happen to me)Originally posted by FireAndHell:Ok, let's just put a scenerio here. Suppose we're in a crowded MRT train, going to work or outing and dressed with clean clothes and smell like fresh blooms [whatever that means to each individual ]. We have our mood and work cut out for the day .
Fine, it happens only once. Just bad luck to come across this kind of ppl in the same time and place. What would our reaction be if we happen to come across these kind of ppl and BO over several episodes. Not forgetting, taking the MRT train gives us many opportunity to meet such group repeatedly. Ultimately, we would inwardly brand that these kind of ppl are a pain [wherever you choose that pain to bother you.]
That will surely constitute being racist to a certain group of ppl. Of course, it will be a subtle way. No outward acknowledgement. But we still are racist, that's for sure.
People here can condem this or that person for being racist, but are we, seriously an angel who will treat or has treated all as equal beings? That will surely be a huge question mark that each of us have to answer by ourselves, rather than just be part of the crowd to condem someone else for being racist.
So that nite, i will post in my blog xiasuay.com saying "ALL WOMEN ABOVE 40 WHO ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL ARE LOW GRADE DISGUSTING MIGETS" (if the general statment happens to include ur loved one, i am NOT apologetic cos i'm expressing my indivduality & sentiments... if u NEVER get pushed by ah-sohs before, how u know my feelings?
Then whilst writing the blog, my mentality will be this: Aiyah never mind, no matter what rubbish i churn out, my legion of fanboys will surely help me frame it a philosphical perspective that justify my grossly abhorrent mind...
some of the defence they write for me is so good that i never even think of it in the first place... luckily for these s-u-c-kers , i can continue writing rubbish hehehehe
Like that ok not?!
seriously for all those trying to "justify" xiasuay's repulsive attitude, only 4 words came to my mind to describe ur argument : Gou Pi Bu Tong (Dog fart cannot pass through) -
Originally posted by FireAndHell:
That's a truly sweeping statement. How can you assume that non-racist people must not have had their chance to express hate towards a racial group?
I am very sure that if we are put in a terrible spot like what she have experienced, we will be openly racist throughout our lifespan. No doubt about it.
The reason we don't become openly racist, is we did not ecounter a terrible experience like she did. But deep down inside us, we sure are racist. It's a natural phenomenom. No two ways about it.
Racial hatred is merely a knee-jerk reaction - an easy label .... so that we don't have to deal with our feelings & differences. Not everyone will react to such bad experiences the way you've described.
It is circumstance, and not skin colour, that determines a person's character.
Underneath the colour of our skin, we are one and the same - we are all human. The sooner we get past this, the better it is for all of us. -
Saying it's alright to be racist since everyone is a closet racist is akin to saying that what the Germans did in WWII is perfectly fine since everyone is a closet racist.
Maybe that's why people in Singapore are messed up. They are narrow minded as hell. -
Originally posted by saffron60:
I don't read about racism, I feel when I travel, I watch when I am in different land, I listen when I am on buses or trains. My encounters may not be representative, I guess nobody or any statistics can conclude if there is or there is no racism in any country. It is just individual feeling.
I think you oversimplify this issue. It is much more complicated than you make it out to be. Some indians, although they have migrated to the UK, may be loyalists to India and not very patriotic to UK when it comes to cricket but that doesn't mean that they are racist. My goodness, you really have to read more about issues concerning racism.
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So at the end of the day, what are we going to do about it... especially when we see such things popping up in our own backyard?
Justify it and pretend not to see it or do we do something about it?
In Wendy Cheng's case, there is something we can do to make sure she does not get her credibility from the mainstream media... or at least put a dent in it:
Compose a simple e-mail and send it to mediacorp on what the public really thinks about her antics:
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the best way to react is to say nothing as the more comment we post,it will only serve as a tool to made her popular(be it good or bad)
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you're the one who should read more about racism human psychology and such; you ignorant pea-brain! pathetic sad sod. Didn't you know wiki's not entirely true; what not when most entries are contributed & edited by any tom, dick and harry. Brainless creature.Originally posted by saffron60:You only say that because you don't know what racism really means. Don't be as ignorant as xiaxue, read up more on racism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
If you had studied philosophy; you'll know that Natural law states that human being are selfish.
and any biasness; ostracizing, critics, racism, favourism, self-centredness, selfishness, non-existent impartiality stems from the natural law.
Go f*ck yourself, really. Brainless prick tryna be a smart alec! _|_ -
she needs loveOriginally posted by saffron60:I think you've heard about the racism row in UK and India featuring top chav celeb Jade Goody on Celebrity Big Brother (CBB).
Coincidently, controversial singaporean blogger Xiaxue, www.xiaxue.blogspot.com, has made racist comments in her blog entry entitled 'misrepresentation', posted on 12/1/07.
These are some extracts taken from her blog:
''I am racist. Everyone is. If you ask me if I would rather be locked up in a
room with a Bangladeshi or a British guy I'd take my chances with the
British, because of my EXPERIENCES. I don't care how you guys start
defending and saying the Bangladeshi might be a gentle, nice guy, but
FACT REMAINS I GOT MOLESTED BY A LOT OF THEM AS A YOUNG TEEN.''
''Are you racist too? It is UNPREVENTABLE to have views and opinions on
the various races, simply because humans have a brain and can't help
but judge.
Racist? I am sorry, but the fact that so many Filipino girls I see around
Liat Towers are tittering like bees around white men,''
This is one blogger who thinks that she is invincible and that no one can stop her from making racist comments, she even calls everyone a racist!
Currently, she has a tv programme on channel 5, singapore called 'girls out loud'. What is more alarming is when you read the readers' comments on the rape case and racism. It just seems so unfair that someone like xiaxue can freely spread the 'seeds of evil' and young people are just following the propoganda blindly. -
Excuse me trendz, the reason why I quoted from wiki, it's because it's on the internet and well known to most internet users, I could have quoted from obscure sources but then, most people will look it up in wiki anyway. Since you are quite brilliant in psychology, you would know when someone 'googles' racism, one the first few searches that pops up is under wiki. So it is quite likely that the person would look it up under wiki, unless the person happens to be anti-wiki, like you. And yes, most people reading wiki will know that it is a compiled by many sources but it should not mean that the info should be discredited straight away. Wiki should only be a starting point, and if people are really interested, they can go to a library and get more books on the subject. sorry, that I AM NOT SO DETAILED ABOUT THE SOURCE, unless you noticed, most of the readers here are ordinary people, i can't say for sure whether some have studied philosophy or not, but I don't think it's nice to be condescending towards them when I'm writing my comments.Originally posted by trendz:you're the one who should read more about racism human psychology and such; you ignorant pea-brain! pathetic sad sod. Didn't you know wiki's not entirely true; what not when most entries are contributed & edited by any tom, dick and harry. Brainless creature.
If you had studied philosophy; you'll know that Natural law states that human being are selfish.
and any biasness; ostracizing, critics, racism, favourism, self-centredness, selfishness, non-existent impartiality stems from the natural law.
Go f*ck yourself, really. Brainless prick tryna be a smart alec! _|_
And since you study philosophy, why don't you give your views of racism and tell us from your philosophical point of view whether racism is right or wrong or in between? Why don't you tell us how natural law relates to racism, biasness, critics, favourtism, self centredness. I haven't studied philosophy, but i know someone who does, and he's not here at the moment, but when he gets back, I will ask him.
One more thing, sorry that us ordinary people are not talking about this subject from a philosophical point of view and I really don't think that just because we don't study philosophy, we can't understand racism from a lower level of thinking and analysis. Well, i do hope that you can enlighten us.