A $27million per year white elephant..
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http://www.esplanade.com/download/w...AR_05_06_03.pdf
Saw this in HWZ forums..
This is the accounts of the Esplanade...
notice grants for the year... 27 million... every year..
$20+ million of our money goes into this every year... what a giant white elephant we have.. if not for this govt grant, Esplanade is long gone like Crazy horse liao..
didn't SG promised to bring in arts? why is MDA restricting on shows like crazy horse show and producing so many crappy mediacork shows? Are Sinkies not appreciative of arts or did STB did not bring in enough tourist to spend money in Esplanade?
Heres we are fretting about "minor issues" like pratanathan's gigantic payrise when on the other hand, we have a giant white elephant taking 27million of our reserves..
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Arts? Sinkie's garment invested on crappy mediacork shows like girls out loud, one last dance which is not a family entertainment movie and bunch of sick plays like dim sum dollies. haizzz...esplanade can never make it. I think GST raise is to cover losses like these.
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One word sums up ARTS in Singapore; PATHETIC. -
we may have the infrastructure for world class arts but the ppl's mindset towards appreciating and involving in arts is not there......
in our yrs of education, how much of the syllabus is for music, dance, drama, painting, design and such?
are there enuf channels for ppl to reach out to the arts?
and will arts guarantee u a rice bowl?
i would say, in recent yrs, the govt did put in effort....
like setting up SOTA and demarcating a "Arts District"
but bear in mind u wun see results over night
it will take many yrs and perhaps a few generations to fully have artists of our own, nurtured from young.....
also the ppl will have to learn tt arts is not something tts oni for the rich and ppl who have too much time......
i wun say the sum of money is not justifiable.....
i see the efforts....but it's the ppl tt are not reacting or giving the desired results......
when was the last time u watched a performance at esplanade? -
Sg always has money for its world-class facilities and projects, such as Esplanade and renaming of Marine Bay, but no money to help its poor. I suppose those world-class developments are meant to show off to the outside world.
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I find that it is very apparent that MOST people in Singapore, are only interested in and are fairly good in, the ART of making MONEY - or a LIVING.
Art. How can anyone devote that kind of TIME into any form of art when academics are of the UTMOST of everyone's concern right from DAY ONE of their lives???
When I say TIME, I meant that in whatever art-form, be it in music as in playing of an instrument or singing and even dancing, requires MUCH practice and the time required for much practice.
People here cannot get by, by basking in the streets and then practice some more at home or in a studio. IN the USA, musicians in the streets can blow anyone away in our region - not just in Singapore. They practice 8 hours every day, play their music when any opportunity comes along, and simply live the art they are into.
Here, we are first chasing academics, then if you're a guy you have NS to contend with, afterwhich, its money making all the way.
What ART? What time is there for ARTS?
People are so high strung, I can't see how any creative juice can possibly flow...
But perhaps I make some exceptions for ARTS like painting, or graphic designing, other than these, I don't see how the others can surely put food on dinner tables... -
how can you expect to have art when there is a limited freedom of expression in the first place..
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S$1 million a yr just to clean the facade!!!
My back n front sides also dont need this much till me die!!!
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Just look at forumers, They say that jap hairstyle are lame.. Then how to appreciate those deeper kinda art?
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Increasing GST to 30% at one go!!!! nvm we r sick oreli!!!!caus of cod fish!!! -
It stands up like my 2 LP with a C in between,if u dont believe travelling on ECP and imagine lah!!! -
Unless you take the first step in supporting our budding youths, there will be a real ironic situation down the road.
Have you seen or watched a local play recently? Toy Factory, SRT etc, they all have stuff worth watching. -
The government was wrong in trying to encourage the arts..Singaporeans are not ready for it and I am not surprised that they should lose money. The government has allowed themselves to be persuaded by the arty farty types that the investment will pay off. I doubt it...Originally posted by FireIce:we may have the infrastructure for world class arts but the ppl's mindset towards appreciating and involving in arts is not there......
in our yrs of education, how much of the syllabus is for music, dance, drama, painting, design and such?
are there enuf channels for ppl to reach out to the arts?
and will arts guarantee u a rice bowl?
i would say, in recent yrs, the govt did put in effort....
like setting up SOTA and demarcating a "Arts District"
but bear in mind u wun see results over night
it will take many yrs and perhaps a few generations to fully have artists of our own, nurtured from young.....
also the ppl will have to learn tt arts is not something tts oni for the rich and ppl who have too much time......
i wun say the sum of money is not justifiable.....
i see the efforts....but it's the ppl tt are not reacting or giving the desired results......
when was the last time u watched a performance at esplanade?
I agree with bringing in Broadway musicals but classical music and ballet do not have mass appeal. The Arts will not bring in much revenue in Asia outside of Japan. Rather waste money on this, the government should invest in science and technology. -
That's precisiously why government is trying to encourage arts: singaporeans are not ready for it, and if nothing is done about it, there would not be any art left in us, so to speak.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The government was wrong in trying to encourage the arts..Singaporeans are not ready for it and I am not surprised that they should lose money. The government has allowed themselves to be persuaded by the arty farty types that the investment will pay off. I doubt it...
I agree with bringing in Broadway musicals but classical music and ballet do not have mass appeal. The Arts will not bring in much revenue in Asia outside of Japan. Rather waste money on this, the government should invest in science and technology.
have you wondered why countires like italy, japan, maldives are rich in their arts and culture? because it is nutured from young. We singaporeans care about making money, surviving, and one day, this appreciation for arts may be completely lost. To be a country in itself, it's more than making money and surving. What's a life only about making money and surviving but without appreciation about the finner things?
Esplanade may not bring in monetary profits that can be broadcast proudly on their balance sheets, but the investments in its people can never be measured in dollars and cents. -
I thought Arts is really something for the rich and the people who indeed have spare time.Originally posted by FireIce:we may have the infrastructure for world class arts but the ppl's mindset towards appreciating and involving in arts is not there......
in our yrs of education, how much of the syllabus is for music, dance, drama, painting, design and such?
are there enuf channels for ppl to reach out to the arts?
and will arts guarantee u a rice bowl?
i would say, in recent yrs, the govt did put in effort....
like setting up SOTA and demarcating a "Arts District"
but bear in mind u wun see results over night
it will take many yrs and perhaps a few generations to fully have artists of our own, nurtured from young.....
also the ppl will have to learn tt arts is not something tts oni for the rich and ppl who have too much time......
i wun say the sum of money is not justifiable.....
i see the efforts....but it's the ppl tt are not reacting or giving the desired results......
when was the last time u watched a performance at esplanade? -
singaporeans have the wrong mindset about art...
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If you have money, you can talk about the arts and the finer things in life. When there are Singaporeans who are struggling to survive, the government's priority should be to generate wealth for the population. Popular art forms like broadway musicals may bring in revenue and they should be encouraged. We should not bother with more obscure forms of art that are financially non-viable.Originally posted by airgrinder:That's precisiously why government is trying to encourage arts: singaporeans are not ready for it, and if nothing is done about it, there would not be any art left in us, so to speak.
have you wondered why countires like italy, japan, maldives are rich in their arts and culture? because it is nutured from young. We singaporeans care about making money, surviving, and one day, this appreciation for arts may be completely lost. To be a country in itself, it's more than making money and surving. What's a life only about making money and surviving but without appreciation about the finner things?
Esplanade may not bring in monetary profits that can be broadcast proudly on their balance sheets, but the investments in its people can never be measured in dollars and cents.
As you will realize from the forumners here, if the Esplanade does not bring in money Singaporeans will consider it a white elephant. I think the building is beautiful and a spectacular landmark. But instead of Aida or Mozart, we should be hosting rock concerts, Aaron Kuok and whoever is the most popular idol of the time. Then I am sure we will see the investment bearing fruit.
The only form of arts that is worthwhile is the form that earns revenue. -
The other easy way with immediate effect is......promote local RA moives Artistes. I would bet, it will definitely works.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If you have money, you can talk about the arts and the finer things in life. When there are Singaporeans who are struggling to survive, the government's priority should be to generate wealth for the population. Popular art forms like broadway musicals may bring in revenue and they should be encouraged. We should not bother with more obscure forms of art that are financially non-viable.
As you will realize from the forumners here, if the Esplanade does not bring in money Singaporeans will consider it a white elephant. I think the building is beautiful and a spectacular landmark. But instead of Aida or Mozart, we should be hosting rock concerts, Aaron Kuok and whoever is the most popular idol of the time. Then I am sure we will see the investment bearing fruit.
The only form of arts that is worthwhile is the form that earns revenue.
Oxford mushroom will be first in the lists of application. Artist of RA moives industry!!! -
arts and censorship do not mix.
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Let's put it this way. The shows hardly get advertising, and people hardly know what is coming to town.
Then couple that to the fact that the bulk of the population work like nuts for a decent wage (if one can even call it decent), with little time for other things, does anyone honestly think there will be great attendance for shows?
In actual truth, the Esplanade should be largely driven by donations from corporate sponsors. Do we have a statistic? -
i got a question...
if the gabrament wasn't throwing money at the Arts, would you people be here ranting that the gabrament is not doing anything for the Arts?
serious question here... -
Yes, Arts is good ,but the real issue is why we should waste $ like this,to build these 2 LPs,we spent at least S$500millions at one go and S$27 million a yr on maitenance,it is worthwhile!!!!Originally posted by the Bear:i got a question...
if the gabrament wasn't throwing money at the Arts, would you people be here ranting that the gabrament is not doing anything for the Arts?
serious question here...
The LPs r meant for whom and who r the ppls benefied from it?? it is 4 the general bublic or the small group of elites!!!!
I had been 2 the LPs when they first opened!!! u know what was happening! the whole theatre was raining cat and dog inside inudated the whole place and furniture,fixtures and fittings therein were ruined, more than a million $ damage caused!!!!
Now these 2 LPs have become white elphant!!!!
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Some idiots suggested using the Esplanade as a venue to stage rock concerts, which I think is totally stupid. I guess he was using his @rse to think. He probably hasn't seen any performance at any of the halls. Moreover the halls wasn't made with the anticipation of use as a pop/rock concert hall, wonder what damages might occur with kids jumping on chairs and climbing atop ledges.
Pop concerts held at Singapore Indoor Stadium has a capacity of 13,000, each of the big halls at Esplanade can only hold 2,000 maximum. You can sell tickets for a minimum of $150, the popstars can perform for 10 days and you still won't recuperate your initial capital layout.
This shows the credibility of the moron's post. -
Arts+Esplanade= attracting boring tourist. Tourists who comes over to singapore would definitely prefer crazy horse to that esplanade, how many people actually appreciates arts nowadays? very little..very little..
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that's a falsehood.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I thought Arts is really something for the rich and the people who indeed have spare time.
Have we become a nation of citizens that have forgotten what it means to express our souls and our selves in song ,prose, and dance? That we have to be told what is the best form of expression?
God forbid we let a plethora of technocrats form the majority in this country. We are not Singapore Inc, and we should resist all attempts at such moves to make it so.