More foreign doctors to increase capacity and lower costs
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The 3M system of healthcare funding has been globally acknowledged as a model, with accolades coming from scholars in many countries:
http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/3/209
http://www.watsonwyatt.com/europe/pubs/healthcare/render2.asp?ID=13850
http://info.worldbank.org/etools/library/latestversion.asp?48624
http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s203/s203.html
The Minister is carefully tweaking the system to make function even better, allowing citizens to use Medisave funds for a greater range of medical conditions, in view of our changing demographics. -
Your topic did say "More foreign doctors to increase capacity and lower cost". All you have shown is you know how to cut and paste. You know you screwed up and you can't come up with calculations to substantiate your topic.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:I have answered your questions more than once with figures from official government sources showing that the cost of a doctor from Bangalore is a small fraction of that in Singapore. So the way you debate an issue is to ignore any facts to which you have no answer and just repeating your question like a tape recorder?
Grow up, kid!
Say if each doctor is currently paid $5,000, you said Indian doctors at half the cost which makes it $2,500. Current doctors employed 3,156. Don't forget all those ah-ma you have to employ to do translation for the elderly folks.Initial post by oxford mushroom:THE door has been opened wider to foreign doctors, as Singapore moves towards a new goal of having one doctor per patient in public hospitals.
The public sector currently employs 3,156 doctors - which translates to one doctor for every two patients at any given time.
How do you increase the capacity and reduce the cost?
Show me some voodoo doctor mathematics!!!
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
Didn't you learn to read in primary school? I posted this a long while ago in this same thread...
Say if each doctor is currently paid $5,000, you said Indian doctors at half the cost which makes it $2,500. Current doctors employed 3,156. Don't forget all those ah-ma you have to employ to do translation for the elderly folks.
[b]How do you increase the capacity and reduce the cost?
Show me some voodoo doctor mathematics!!!
How many millions you pay to buy your MBBS or MBChB?
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"Bangalore, Jan 28 (IANS) Karnataka has finalised an $800-million project to revamp its healthcare infrastructure and train health professionals at the grassroots - a scheme that is expected to benefit over 45 million people.....
...The minister said the salaries of contract doctors in the state were under review and may be increased. The government is planning to increase the salary of contract doctors to Rs.19,000 and specialised doctors to Rs.20,000, he added." (Exerpt from http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1913342,000600030009.htm)
Rs.20,000 for specialised doctors is only S$695.670 a month....
That figure is probably right. Here's an entry in the national newspaper from a reader's letter:
"Looks like Shashi Tharoor has not done his homework. He knows the salary of a doctor in the U.S. but is he aware of the salary in India? In an expensive city like Bangalore , the average monthly salary of a specialist is Rs 15,000-25,000. Even prestigious hospitals do not offer more than Rs. 50,000 a month, even after six years of experience in the U.S. (which by the way is a draw-back). First, let there be better living conditions, and remuneration for doctors. Then people can ask why doctors still go abroad?
A specialist comes at S$700, a private hospital specialist with experience working in the US only comes at S$1,730. Don't even have to ask how much does a GP cost in Bangalore.
How will employing foreign doctors cut healthcare costs? Sorry, it is too complex for your puny brain to comprehend.
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This was published in the Western Journal of Medicine a while back, but it explains the strength of our healthcare funding system, which remains true today
TO THE EDITOR: The American Medical Association has reported that over 40%of United States health care costs are directly attributable to American self-indulgence, coupled with our polyglot ethnic diversity and propensity to settle disputes with bullets. Tobacco, intravenous drug use, unsafe sex habits, excess alcohol and dietary fats, coupled with sedentary life-styles and lackadaisical driving habits, ratchet up health costs while Americans expect, nay even demand, that someone else pick up the tab. Singapore has evolved a health insurance plan based on individual responsibility, not rights and privileges.
Article 5 of the policy statement of Mr Yeo Cheow Tong, the Singapore Minister of Health, reads: "Our medical system is based on individual responsibility . . . no Singaporean has enjoyed or expects to enjoy health services for free. When hospitalized he pays part of the bill, more in a B class than in a C class ward. His Medisave is his own money. This gives him the incentive to be healthy, minimize his need for medical treatment, and save on medical expenses."'
The individual Singaporean savings account, established in 1984 as "Medisave," is a system the United States could well copy. Each person contributes to his or
her own Medisave account-currently at 6% of income to meet future medical expenses of the immediate family.
Article 35 of the Medisave government policy reiterates and clearly defines the role of each citizen in terms of personal responsibility for health. "Every Singaporean has the duty to stay fit and healthy. A healthy life-style will reduce his chances of falling sick. He should save up for future medical needs by contributing regularly to Medisave. He should use his Medisave prudently, by choosing the class of ward which he can comfortably afford."
Adopting a Medisave system by US workers would dramatically increase the nation's saving rate, currently at an all-time low compared with competitors such as Japan and Germany. Invested savings provide the capital necessary for economic growth. Such a system would also establish in the minds of US citizens their own individual participation in, and accountability for, paying for their health care. The problems of the Scandinavian, British, and Canadian health systems have shown that centralized government control and administration of health care are unsustainable. Eventually they all collapse in the face of unremitting and escalating demands for more and more "free" care while the countries' economies flounder under the weight and burden of taxes, stifling job growth and economic expansion.
Medicine costs more because we can do more. People live. People live longer. The people should have the final say in how each cent of their health care is bought and paid for. Our government can help by setting up tax-free medical savings accounts.
CHRISTOPHER LYON, MD, PhD
Fashion Island, Ste 402
1401 Avocado Ave
Newport Beach, CA 92660
West J Med. 1993 May; 158(5): 537. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Indian doctors are cheaper. We can hire them as clinical fellows rather than medical officers and give them lower pay but make them do the same work.
Foreign doctors can be given a limited or conditional license which will limit them to practice in public hospitals only. Since the UK does not want them, many non-specialist Indian doctors have to leave UK soon. They have no choice...either work for us for 3-4k or work in India for 1-2k.
Hey! You make a great comedian!!!Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Didn't you learn to read in primary school? I posted this a long while ago in this same thread...
"Bangalore, Jan 28 (IANS) Karnataka has finalised an $800-million project to revamp its healthcare infrastructure and train health professionals at the grassroots - a scheme that is expected to benefit over 45 million people.....
...The minister said the salaries of contract doctors in the state were under review and may be increased. The government is planning to increase the salary of contract doctors to Rs.19,000 and specialised doctors to Rs.20,000, he added." (Exerpt from http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1913342,000600030009.htm)
Rs.20,000 for specialised doctors is only S$695.670 a month....
That figure is probably right. Here's an entry in the national newspaper from a reader's letter:
"Looks like Shashi Tharoor has not done his homework. He knows the salary of a doctor in the U.S. but is he aware of the salary in India? In an expensive city like Bangalore , the average monthly salary of a specialist is Rs 15,000-25,000. Even prestigious hospitals do not offer more than Rs. 50,000 a month, even after six years of experience in the U.S. (which by the way is a draw-back). First, let there be better living conditions, and remuneration for doctors. Then people can ask why doctors still go abroad?
A specialist comes at S$700, a private hospital specialist with experience working in the US only comes at S$1,730. Don't even have to ask how much does a GP cost in Bangalore.
How will employing foreign doctors cut healthcare costs? Sorry, it is too complex for your puny brain to comprehend.
You want to pay a doctor $700 a month in Singapore? Cost of a room without luxuries is at least $500. What is he going to do for food? Suck your phallus for proteins? You better have lots of proteins for so many Indian doctors.
Wahaha
I think you have hydrocephalus, that's why your head so enormous. But basically just full of CSF, no substantia grisea and no substantia alba. -
i do believe the indian doctors he was hoping to recruit were the shamans and witch-doctors....
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Haha..resort to vulgarities when you lose an argument, why am I not surprised?Originally posted by maurizio13:Hey! You make a great comedian!!!
You want to pay a doctor $700 a month in Singapore? Cost of a room without luxuries is at least $500. What is he going to do for food? Suck your phallus for proteins? You better have lots of proteins for so many Indian doctors.
Don't worry...we can afford to pay them more than what you get in a month selling your backside in Johore Road. Being as cheap as you are, they can probably afford you -
The govt is going to spend much more money for health services.Just hope that our discussion here is one of the factors why the govt do so.
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It is realy ashame of for the sake of lowering cost,we then imported more foreign Docs and who r of sub-std qualities and r rejected stock from the Westen Countries!!
WE DONT want this type of Docs here who know only how to prescribe Panadol for all illnesses same as some of the Forumers here who r cheap but contribute nothing but cut and paste information only!!!
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Hehehe........Originally posted by foomwee88:It is realy ashame of for the sake of lowering cost,we then imported more foreign Docs and who r of sub-std qualities and r rejected stock from the Westen Countries!!
WE DONT want this type of Docs here who know only how to prescribe Panadol for all illnesses same as some of the Forumers here who r cheap but contribute nothing but cut and paste information only!!!
Maybe he is cheap, that's why they employ him there. To the ang mohs there, he is just another ah neh. Oops.....and a cheap one.
But seriously, from his "creative" posting, I doubt he is a doctor. I saw his posting in his medical forum, it looks like cut and paste to me. Maybe a doctor wannabe.
I wonder if he knows what the letters PQRSTU mean?
I think he should be shot dead if he doesn't know and I mean shot dead with strych9.
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We all know who is he lah??Originally posted by maurizio13:Hehehe........
Maybe he is cheap, that's why they employ him there. To the ang mohs there, he is just another ah neh. Oops.....and a cheap one.
But seriously, from his "creative" posting, I doubt he is a doctor. I saw his posting in his medical forum, it looks like cut and paste to me. Maybe a doctor wannabe.
I wonder if he knows what the letters PQRSTU mean?
I think he should be shot dead if he doesn't know and I mean shot dead with strych9.
The guy is 100 % below PSLE level!!Why PAP's dogs r of such a sub-std here,I think they must ask those of better quality one 2 be here,may be they dont want 2 be called as a Gods!!!
How can an educated guy ,dont know subsidy vs discount,bond vs ir, sand vs timber,concrete vs steel!!!!!
Poor thing,not jack in all trade n master in none but yet dare 2 post here~!
May be he is a real dog instead of a Doc!!!!