Congrats to our Gov : You've done it again.... good job..
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It is strange that Japan also doesnt like FTs,why WE????>
FTs from third world countries can help us mei???? may be let us f 2 make babies!!!
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Did the gahmen have prior knowledge that the ban was impending and warned the construction industry? Did Indonesia do it suddenly out of the blue? Why?
This is what happens when you have a secretive gahmen that operates under the Official Secrets Act while 1st world countries operate under the Freedom of Information Act.
The "small" chap without inside information suffers. -
I say we all migrate
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I wonder if the garment's relation with other nations turned sour. It seems so strange. If singapore can create new water, why not new sand?
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wont argue with you over the mundane issues such as FT, I have FT working for me together with locals, I am not a boss and I don't select staff based on their salaries. I don't exploit foreigners at the expense of locals. The locals working for me are very capable, may be that's why they don't have to migrate.Originally posted by Coquitlam:Well...no matter what you say sgdiehard....this little red dot is still at the mercy of the surrounding countries and most of us will not be here to find out what happens next....of course you can stay here and die harder for sillypore, together with the PRCs and Indians from Bangalore....come to think of it, they aren't stupid either.....they will just make their money and go back to their countries, where they do not need to worry about water, sand and vege....sure they have their natural disasters, but what they have is natural resources.....
Best part is Sillypore only has human resource and seeing how a good life we have led for the past 20-30 years....even sillypore workers are behind compared to the emerging economies like Vietnam, India, China...look at the hunger in their eyes...we don't have hunger anymore...all sillyporeans do is quibble about small tiny mundane issues in ST forum....pathetic....no wonder as a boss, me and my contemporaries choose FTs over locals
From the very first day since singapore independence, many neighboring countries already bei song liao. Indonesia confronted us, Malaysia finally kicked us out of the federations, many singaporean already packed and left. Over the last40 years, Malaysia got angry with us cause we had the israel president visited us; the indonesian demonstrated when we executed the indonesians who planted bombs here; the philippinos burnt our flag when we hanged the woman who murdered her fellow philippino; the americans got angry when we canned the little guy who dirtied our walls; then the HKgers got upset because we wanted to buy their telecomms company, now the Thai.....the list goes on...., many got frightened and migrated....but Singapore did not collapse, nor go down hills. Our problem with neighbouring countries will not end, Coquitlam, people like you will migrate sooner or later, it won't stop the neighbor from having trouble with us.
may be later our neighbours would bar their girls from coming here to be maids, or their young men from coming here as construction workers, or ban their citizens from coming here for holidays.... but we will continue to build our IR, our tourism will continue to grow....with or without people like you.
My parents had lived their lives in Singapore seeing people come and go, I believe I am living a better life now, and I am also seeing people come and go(like you). Life goes on.....with or without you. -
There is no such thing like new sand,may be new B S!!!!!Originally posted by bila_prem:I wonder if the garment's relation with other nations turned sour. It seems so strange. If singapore can create new water, why not new sand? -
Why is the new paper sensationalising this isuue? If these contractors cant find reliable suppliers, its really their problem. The government has mentioned that it will release its stockpile to help the contractors. SO why arent the contractors approaching HDB for sand?
Instead of whining to the paper, they shld be looking at ways to solve their problems.
And those people who crictisise the government, are you guys stupid or what? Its not like you are in a position to make things better. Such events are beyond the control of the government. If you think you can make a difference, why not start producing sand and concrete and sell it to the contractors? So kindly stfu if you are just an arm chair crictic and have nothing better to say. -
Are you dumb or something? You sound like you dont study construction and yet you speculate on the amount of sand a building needs. Have you ever heard of steel reinforcement?Originally posted by Lowclassman:The stockpile of sand were meant for emergency usage. I think even with the present stockpile of sand might be insufficient for building 2 IRs, not to mentioned others. -
Its unlikely that the property industry will experience an apocalypse. There is healthy demand for high end properties. There are many people who are willing to pay a high price for high end properties.Originally posted by foomwee88:U r rite,it is 4 former HDB.
Not enough sands, our construction industry will face a huge problem not only in term of pricing but timing as well!!!
This property boom will kill the bldg developers too!!!
In fact, the rise in property prices bodes well for current home owners whose house valuations will rise in tandem with the new properties. -
Dont u know steel links?Originally posted by shade343:Are you dumb or something? You sound like you dont study construction and yet you speculate on the amount of sand a building needs. Have you ever heard of steel reinforcement?
Wat grades of steel bar 4 strip , pad and pile d's foundations???
Little boys, do u know they r how many professionals here???
Little bird would not fly high!!!! only eagles like us,can!!! -
If the construction industry slowly weans itself from sand, the demand for sand will decline.Originally posted by bila_prem:I wonder if the garment's relation with other nations turned sour. It seems so strange. If singapore can create new water, why not new sand?
In future, look forward to new buildings that uses steel reinforcement rather than concrete reinforcement.
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Yes, sadly for you, you are speaking to somebody who studies construction. There are many different types of steel for steel bars(high tensile, mild, ect ect) But I doubt you are a professional in this area judging from the way you speak. Now get out of this thread you uneducated laymanOriginally posted by foomwee88:Dont u know steel links?
Wat grades of steel bar 4 strip , pad and pile d's foundations???
Little boys, do u know they r how many professionals here???
Little bird fly not high!!!!
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What about our walls? All made from steel?Originally posted by shade343:If the construction industry slowly weans itself from sand, the demand for sand will decline.
In future, look forward to new buildings that uses steel reinforcement rather than concrete reinforcement.
Alternatively, if somebody finds a way to make reinforced concrete without the use of concreting sand, all the better. -
price of metal is pretty high nowadays. I think its stupid to suggest using more steel.
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[quote]Originally posted by shade343:
Yes, sadly for you, you are speaking to somebody who studies construction. There are many different types of steel for steel bars(high tensile, mild, ect ect) But I doubt you are a professional in this area judging from the way you speak. Now get out of this thread you uneducated layman
I bet you cant even name me a single standard used in the fixing of steel bars to a foundation.[/quote
I bet u r a little boy in our eyes!!!!
If u can answer me this question, I chop my c ta feed bird!!!w/o checking from text books!!!
Is steel performing good in compression or tension!!! -
Nope. Although steel is more expensive to use, it is easier and less labour intensive as compared to reinforce concrete. You need to employ skilled labour to cast the concrete and plaster it afterwards. Using steel eliminates all these. If a building is designed with steel reinforcement rather than reinforced concrete, the project can easily be completed 4-12 months earlier. And the developer would rather have the project completed earlier so as to start charging rent as soon as possible.Originally posted by mistyblue:price of metal is pretty high nowadays. I think its stupid to suggest using more steel. -
Wah!! All replies got personal liao.
But why should we blame the government for something not within their control? We can do all the bribery and also all the persuasions but if the Indoneasian decide to stop the export of sand, there is nothing we can do. Yes, we can find other sources of sand, but to blame the government, that's childish.
If the sub-contractor had signed the contract with the supplier of concrete, he can bring this matter to court and let the judge decide. -
All things factored in, the price of construction will rise by like erm... 2 to 3 percent.Originally posted by mistyblue:price of metal is pretty high nowadays. I think its stupid to suggest using more steel.
Using steel does offer certain advantages... it requires less manpower to set up and can be set up a lot quicker as well, hence offsetting its higher cost by quite a bit. Also, steel can be recycled from old material or even demolished buildings... making some the cost recoverable. Concrete can't be readily recycled.
Also it's not as if we are going to totally stop using sand... but the idea is to reduce where it can be reduced. Obviously for the critical apps that require RC, they are still going to use it. It's not as if we're going to build from 100 percent steel... if your roof does not need to bear 100 tons of weight... why use concrete now that you have a sand shortage? -
Originally posted by foomwee88:
OMG. Your english totally sucks. What the fuck are you talking about? Are you asking about compression and tension in steel as opposed to concrete? Or are you talking about the bending stress of the steel?
[quote]Originally posted by shade343:
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Yes, sadly for you, you are speaking to somebody who studies construction. There are many different types of steel for steel bars(high tensile, mild, ect ect) But I doubt you are a professional in this area judging from the way you speak. Now get out of this thread you uneducated layman
I bet you cant even name me a single standard used in the fixing of steel bars to a foundation.[/quote
I bet u r a little boy in our eyes!!!!
If u can answer me this question, I chop my c ta feed bird!!!w/o checking from text books!!!
Is steel performing good in compression or tension!!! [/b]
If you are a contractor, I recommend you blacklist yourself to the entire industry. I cant imagine people living in house build by you. -
Interior walls is ok. It doesnt consume that much sand as opposed to external walls and reinforcement. Other ways to cut down on sand for interior use would be using gypsum boards for partitioning.Originally posted by maurizio13:What about our walls? All made from steel? -
My english is suck!!!!! at least a B.Sc (BLDG SC) from NUS!!!!Originally posted by shade343:OMG. Your english totally sucks. What the fuck are you talking about? Are you asking about compression and tension in steel as opposed to concrete? Or are you talking about the bending stress of the steel?
If you are a contractor, I recommend you blacklist yourself to the entire industry. I cant imagine people living in house build by you.
I think yr c or cb is itchy,like those dog CPCB!!!
No time to waste on u!!! boy!!!hopless,uselss and no future!!!!from thw way u behave,mu god worst than a 3 yr child!!! -
I think you guys missed out Glass - which is made from sand. -
Makes sense, but still can't totally do away with the use of sand.Originally posted by shade343:Interior walls is ok. It doesnt consume that much sand as opposed to external walls and reinforcement. Other ways to cut down on sand for interior use would be using gypsum boards for partitioning.
I think cost will go up.
I think the cost of building the IR will go up, unanticipated by Genting.
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Timber partitioned walls would be badly affected by the ingress of h2o,how ah, like the 2 LPs internally inundated with h20 and fff soaked with water all were ruined !!!Originally posted by shade343:Interior walls is ok. It doesnt consume that much sand as opposed to external walls and reinforcement. Other ways to cut down on sand for interior use would be using gypsum boards for partitioning.
Experts,how ah!!! -
Logically, I EXPECT costs of private developments will escalate as a result of this ban.Originally posted by maurizio13:Makes sense, but still can't totally do away with the use of sand.
I think cost will go up.
I think the cost of building the IR will go up, unanticipated by Genting.
Maybe they can source from Malaysia, afterall they are Malaysian listed company.
No one should expect cost of sand from further away country to be acquired at same price.
I just feel that this sandy issue can pave way to some degree of economic stumbles in the VERY near future. It has already started a cost-ripple... and its spreading...