VoA - Nigerians React Angrily to Execution of Nigerian in SG
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i know you'll think i'm wrong but i honestly think its pretty silly to be caught driving in a country where you're not allowed to.Originally posted by saffron60:Quite a number of you think it is right to hang him because it is the law here, but there's another perspective to this as well.
What if a singaporean woman in saudi gets thrown into jail for not covering her head or because she was caught driving a car, or she was stoned to death because people suspected her of having an affair with a local?
What then? Since you people say that foreigners should respect the law, that means singaporeans should respect the laws in other countries as well? To hell with justice, it doesn't matter, the law and is the law and we should just sit around and wait for people to be jailed, hanged and stoned to death. -
Do you have no respect for the rule of law and the right of a sovereign nation to enact its own laws? Justice is done if you drive a car against the law of the nation and the right sentence is meted out for the offense.Originally posted by saffron60:Quite a number of you think it is right to hang him because it is the law here, but there's another perspective to this as well.
What if a singaporean woman in saudi gets thrown into jail for not covering her head or because she was caught driving a car, or she was stoned to death because people suspected her of having an affair with a local?
What then? Since you people say that foreigners should respect the law, that means singaporeans should respect the laws in other countries as well? To hell with justice, it doesn't matter, the law and is the law and we should just sit around and wait for people to be jailed, hanged and stoned to death.
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What if a singaporean woman in saudi gets thrown into jail for not covering her head or because she was caught driving a car, or she was stoned to death because people suspected her of having an affair with a local?
We have every right to be unhappy about the ruling if that happens... however what we do not have the right to do, and in fact should not do, is to demand that the other nations make an exception for her just because this is not a crime in Singapore.
The only was about this is to lodge a formal protest, or demand that the entire law be lifted entirely in that nation for whatever reason. Only then can we act without any self-contradiction.
It is the basic rule of law between nations, we must respect the laws of other nations. When you go to other countries, you should jolly well be aware of what are their rules, and flout them at your own risk.
If a Singaporean is shot in the US accidently or not, do we protest that the Singaporean should not be shot by weapons that are quite obviously illegal by Singaporean firearms or ROE laws? Why should it work the other way?
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I think you missed the point completely. i'm pointing out the hypocrites in this forum, quite a number of people here are so eager to judge the nigerian but if one of your own kind receives harsh sentencing in a foreign country, then people here will start to cry it's an injustice..and so forth. I do not like the biased laws that they have in some of the middle east countries and even though i'm not living there, i still don't think it is right, i also don't agree with other atrocities like female genital mutilation, that's my own principles. But i really doubt that people would just keep quiet when their own kind gets death sentencing in other countries. Just because a country has got harsh laws doesn't mean that we should stop using our brains and go into 'sheep' mode.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Do you have no respect for the rule of law and the right of a sovereign nation to enact its own laws? Justice is done if you drive a car against the law of the nation and the right sentence is meted out for the offense.
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always blame the lawbreaker and never the law eh? Where do you think laws come from in the first place? anyway, i just gave a very simple scenario, there are many things that can happen to a foreigner in saudi which can get him/her jailed. Something like, getting involved in a road accident, even though you are not the one driving, they can put you in jail while they are investigating, all because you are a foreigner.Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:i know you'll think i'm wrong but i honestly think its pretty silly to be caught driving in a country where you're not allowed to. -
This should send a clear message to Nigeria and the rest of the world not to fcuk around with the law in Singapore. Singapore should remain steadfast in maintaining its strict laws and not cow to other countries like how Michael Fay from USA was caned. Being strict and impartial also earns the respect of the rest of the world..... so we definitely win more than we lose. Hooray!!!
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Singapore laws have won the respect and approval of many countries internationally as have our judicial efficiency for being impartial and transparent.
The laws in Saudi Arabia are geared more towards Islam than of a secular nature. This does not go down well with with the international community. Thus to compare Singapore's laws with Saudi Arabia's is much like comparing an apple with an orange - no basis!
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[/b]Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:[b]We have every right to be unhappy about the ruling if that happens... however what we do not have the right to do, and in fact should not do, is to demand that the other nations make an exception for her just because this is not a crime in Singapore.
I think that they have the right to seek all available avenues to try to stop the sentence from being carried out, whether or not they are successful, the decision lies with the singapore authorities. They want to save the life of their countrymen, of course they want an exception, not all countries do, but if they want to, then it is their right to act.
The only was about this is to lodge a formal protest, or demand that the entire law be lifted entirely in that nation for whatever reason. Only then can we act without any self-contradiction.
Yeah right, like that is really feasible in the real world, we are not living in an utopia, you know.
It is the basic rule of law between nations, we must respect the laws of other nations. When you go to other countries, you should jolly well be aware of what are their rules, and flout them at your own risk.
Laws can also be changed, whether it is internally influenced or externally, along with the demand of the global forces.Some countries have changed some of their laws when they join the UN or EU. To say that we should respect the law irrespective of what the law is, is ridiculous and it is just a sign of plain lazy-mindedness and apathy.
If a Singaporean is shot in the US accidently or not, do we protest that the Singaporean should not be shot by weapons that are quite obviously illegal by Singaporean firearms or ROE laws? Why should it work the other way?
we are talking about harsh sentencing like the death penalty, not prevention, that is entirely different.
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Nope you are wrong, no where in islam does it say that a woman should be stoned to death, those draconian laws are drawn from tribal laws originating from saudi, i can't be 100 % sure, but I think saudi is the only muslim country that has that law.Originally posted by :Singapore laws have won the respect and approval of many countries internationally as have our judicial efficiency for being impartial and transparent.
The laws in Saudi Arabia are geared more towards Islam than of a secular nature. This does not go down well with with the international community. Thus to compare Singapore's laws with Saudi Arabia's is much like comparing an apple with an orange - no basis!
Yes, you can compare on the basis that both countries have got harsh laws attached to certain acts of crime. I'm making a specific comparison not a general one, which most people in this forum always do. -
Allow me to correct a misconception here. Saudi Arabia's laws are geared towards the Arab culture, and not Islam. In fact, much of their laws goes against the religion's teachings.Originally posted by :Singapore laws have won the respect and approval of many countries internationally as have our judicial efficiency for being impartial and transparent.
The laws in Saudi Arabia are geared more towards Islam than of a secular nature. This does not go down well with with the international community. Thus to compare Singapore's laws with Saudi Arabia's is much like comparing an apple with an orange - no basis!