1/3 PR graduated in Aussie fails in English
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Agreed. But before he commends on my level of english, I would like to say that my level of written and spoken english is horrid. But I cannot see how 1/3 of PRs failing English in Australia can affect those in Singapore much, maybe I should start posting stories about people in Tibet yeah?Originally posted by Gedanken:Hey, with such bad English, perhaps cut-and-paste is the lesser of two evils.
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First,thanks for correcting my poor English.
There is no rule here that only those with perfect English need to post here.
Therefore,i am here again,until MOD tell me off.
1.How about passing rate of local Aussie graduates?
I am keen to know and pl post the report here,to be fair
to Aussie U.
2.How the report affecting SG students graduating there
PRC graduates there fails 43% ,compared with the overall 34%.
Thats is about 25% more than the overall.
Assuming SG students score 50% better,(just assume)
there are 17% SG students graduates fails!!
How do you feel if there is 1/6 chance your kid(so called
graduate) fails in English after spending so much Money??
3.If your English is better than mine,pl post more constructive
threads and postings here.Lets wiser by reading this forum!! -
But hor.... what has australia got to do with me. I not interested... can post some story on those people in egypt?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
I don't have a farking clue what you are trying to say.
First,thanks for correcting my poor English.
There is no rule here that only those with perfect English need to post here.
Therefore,i am here again,until MOD tell me off.
1.[b]How about passing rate of local Aussie graduates?
I am keen to know and pl post the report here,to be fair
to Aussie U.
2.How the report affecting SG students graduating there
PRC graduates there fails 43% ,compared with the overall 34%.
Thats is about 25% more than the overall.
Assuming SG students score 50% better,(just assume)
there are 17% SG students graduates fails!!
How do you feel if there is 1/6 chance your kid(so called
graduate) fails in English after spending so much Money??
3.If your English is better than mine,pl post more constructive
threads and postings here.Lets wiser by reading this forum!!
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All I know is that you are a racist, trying to stir up trouble by posting issues about other countries and races. It's good to stand infront of a mirror to look at oneself before criticizing others. Can't blame the PRCs for failing their English, they have a different educational curriculum compared to ours, likewise an Indonesian, Japanese, Russian, African, etc will not be as good when conversing in English. If you think that you are superior to them, you should try picking up Japanese, Russian, Latin, etc and try excelling in that.
All your analysis is narrow in perspective, you live in your secluded world and make distorted analysis of the world, you fail to recognize and appreciate the differences between races.
Live and Let Live. -
My english is perfect man, the bestest in the worlds... anyway if they are good in their subject, who the hell cares if their english is good? They not becoming english teacher right or not? But must take time lah, english got present tense past tense... blah blah blah not easy leh....
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
You sound a lot like Adolf Hitler, he propogated the theory that the Aryan race was superior to other races.
First,thanks for correcting my poor English.
There is no rule here that only those with perfect English need to post here.
Therefore,i am here again,until MOD tell me off.
1.[b]How about passing rate of local Aussie graduates?
I am keen to know and pl post the report here,to be fair
to Aussie U.
2.How the report affecting SG students graduating there
PRC graduates there fails 43% ,compared with the overall 34%.
Thats is about 25% more than the overall.
Assuming SG students score 50% better,(just assume)
there are 17% SG students graduates fails!!
How do you feel if there is 1/6 chance your kid(so called
graduate) fails in English after spending so much Money??
3.If your English is better than mine,pl post more constructive
threads and postings here.Lets wiser by reading this forum!!
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"In 1936, Berlin hosted the summer Olympic games, which were opened by Hitler and choreographed to demonstrate Aryan superiority over all other races, achieving mixed results. Olympia, the movie about the games and other documentary propaganda films for the German Nazi Party were directed by Hitler's personal filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl."
"Hitler believed in a Social Darwinist struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race" - guided by "Providence" - was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization and the Jews as enemies of all civilization. Whether his anti-semitism was influenced by older Christian ideas remains disputed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler
I see alot of similarities between Hitler and you. -
Oh, no no no no no, don't get me wrong. I am in no way, shape or form trying to stop you from posting here.Originally posted by lionnoisy:First,thanks for correcting my poor English.
There is no rule here that only those with perfect English need to post here.
Therefore,i am here again,until MOD tell me off.
Asking for statistics is effectively trying to fly before you can crawl. You don't have to look any further than the contents of this thread to see what the situation is. You English is criminally atrocious, while that of the Australian graduates here is gramatically sound at the very least. Citing the opinions of some hack who fancies himself a journalist is useless when the evidence staring you right in the face puts lie to the point you're flailing about to make.
It's thoroughly laughable that someone with you pitiful toehold on the English language should bring up anybody else's English as a concern. Go ahead and do us a favour - the more you waste your time flogging a dead horse here, the more threads are spared from your inane cut-and-paste jobs.
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Why 1/3 of Aussie PR,who graduated in Aussie U,fails
in English test ?Tell me why first.
Pl settle this before discussing English standard of
foreigners in SG.Most of them ARE NOT graduate.
So dunt expect too high for their English. -
Two words, Maurizio, two words. Jesse Owens.Originally posted by maurizio13:You sound a lot like Adolf Hitler, he propogated the theory that the Aryan race was superior to other races.
"In 1936, Berlin hosted the summer Olympic games, which were opened by Hitler and choreographed to demonstrate Aryan superiority over all other races, achieving mixed results. Olympia, the movie about the games and other documentary propaganda films for the German Nazi Party were directed by Hitler's personal filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl."
"Hitler believed in a Social Darwinist struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race" - guided by "Providence" - was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization and the Jews as enemies of all civilization. Whether his anti-semitism was influenced by older Christian ideas remains disputed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler
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Maybe nobody's answering your question because your Engrand is too powderful and they can't understand what you're asking.Originally posted by lionnoisy:Why 1/3 of Aussie PR,who graduated in Aussie U,fails
in English test ?Tell me why first.
Pl settle this before discussing English standard of
foreigners in SG.Most of them ARE NOT graduate.
So dunt expect too high for their English. -
Aussie PR? Australian permanent resident?
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Aussie PM also take note of this report.
The Prime Minister, John Howard, said he would consult vice-chancellors and the Education Minister, Julie Bishop. "But I'd like to look below the headline of that research before saying other than that, on the face of it, it's concerning," he said.
Pressured to pass poor students,Harriet Alexander Higher Education Reporter,January 30, 2007UNIVERSITY teachers are passing overseas students despite poor English and substandard work because of pressure from administrators to minimise the failure rate, academics say.
---http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/teachers-pressured-to-pass-poor-students/2007/01/29/1169919274734.html
One recently retired academic said he passed overseas students who handed in work he would never have accepted from domestic students.
And a former teacher at the University of Central Queensland's Sydney campus said exams in the legal course were open book and multiple choice so they were easy enough for the overseas students to pass.
The claims come in response to a study by the demographer Bob Birrell, which found more than a third of overseas students were graduating from university with a lower standard of English than is required for entry.
The Prime Minister, John Howard, said he would consult vice-chancellors and the Education Minister, Julie Bishop. "But I'd like to look below the headline of that research before saying other than that, on the face of it, it's concerning," he said.
Ms Bishop said the report was an "extraordinary attack" on universities. "I have seen no evidence to suggest that students aren't able to complete their courses because they're failing in English, yet they are being passed by the university."
Most universities have guidelines recommending the maximum number of students that should fail any given course.
John Forge, a philosophy science lecturer who worked at universities in NSW and Queensland for more than 30 years, said he resigned in disgust at the degradation of standards. "If you failed more than 25 per cent you had to explain yourself," Dr Forge said. "The assumption was, if they got in they must be up to the standard, so if you want to throw out more than a quarter there's something wrong with the admissions process and they're not going to admit to that."
Another former lecturer, at Central Queensland University, estimated up to half of her class plagiarised assignments because the standard of English they handed in was so superior to the level at which they spoke.
Sometimes sections of their essays were written in a different font, indicating they had been cut and pasted from the internet. "I found about 40 students of mine that had plagiarised but I was told by a colleague, don't fail that many, they'll just target you."
Angela Delves, a deputy vice-chancellor at CQU, said international and domestic students were assessed to the same standards. Tony Pollock, the chief executive of IDP Education, which administers the International English Language Testing System, said universities should start testing students as they graduated.with AAP
2.In Education forex ,we truth.
3.All news from the democratic and free Aussie press.
Dunt kill me--the messenger. -
WTF does "we truth" mean?
Shakespearean English? -
sorry to interrupt
When u say Fail in English meaning? There is no English test in Uni..how do u know the numbers of ppl who fail?
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2.ans:Originally posted by valentinoo:sorry to interrupt
When u say Fail in English meaning? There is no English test in Uni..how do u know the numbers of ppl who fail? ?The claims come in response to a study by the demographer Bob Birrell, which found more than a third of overseas students were graduating from university with a lower standard of English than is required for entry.
,pl read all postings here.
2.oh sould be ''In education forex,we trust''.
Times magazine once changed to ''In oil we truth''
So i dunt think it is ok change to this way
3.Many countries are chasing money contributing by foreign students,
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ok so what is your point? dont go to australia uni ? so which uni u recommend? by the way do u know which uni SINGAPORE EMPLOYER Favour?
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So "In education forex, we trust", it is just a statement right?Originally posted by lionnoisy:,pl read all postings here.
2.oh sould be ''In education forex,we trust''.
Times magazine once changed to ''In oil we truth''
So i dunt think it is ok change to this way
3.Many countries are chasing money contributing by foreign students,
incl SG.Dunt make the standard slip too far.
Not a question.
Anyway, "forex" means foreign exchange in the financial context, don't know what your forex means.
In education forex, we truth = In education foreign exchange, we trust.
Still doesn't make sense to me.
Maybe I am stupid, because I didn't graduate from University.
In magazines, when they put up such topics "In Oil, we trust", they have a lenghty article to explain the topic.
By putting a topic as your main content, without any elaboration does not help readers to understand what you are trying to say.
For example a topic by Time, "What's wrong with the Gap?"
If you just read the topic, you will be wondering "what the fark "Gap" is it?".
Your CB also gap leh, your mouth also gap leh. -
if you don't want singaporeans to attend aussie unis, you should propose that NUS and NTU accepts every single singaporean that applies. problem solved.
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Read my signature.
TS, your thread always prompts me to +1 -
Too late.Originally posted by lionnoisy:Dunt make the standard slip too far. -
1.i am sick to repeat my position:I am not against Aussie.
Too many people put Aussie as rosy as possible.
Can i just put some not so positive aspects of Aussie to share.
Of course SG is not perfect.
U can open a thraed UPSIDES OF DOWNUNDER here to balance
my views in Downsides of Down under.
pl share how you feel Almost one in 10 Australians has tried methamphetamines at least once,....About half a million Australians have used methamphetamines in the past year.(crystal methamphetamine is "ice",)---http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/exposed-the-new-illicit-drug-scourge/2007/01/29/1169919278504.html
2.Parents,pl calculate your risks before sending kids overseas to study,
incl to Singapore,Aussie,USA...
Your kids cant improve English so fast by just studying in a
English speaking countries.
Put foreign students to the talk test, says recruiter.Adam Morton, Higher Education Reporter,January 30, 2007Australia's leading recruiter of overseas students is urging universities to introduce English tests at the start and end of all degrees for the good of students.
Responding to research suggesting that one in three international students graduated despite having a poor grasp of English, IDP Education Australia yesterday called for universities to use internationally recognised English tests before admission and graduation.
The call came as the Federal Government confirmed that it would raise the English level required for skilled migrant visas.
Tony Pollock, chief executive of IDP Education Australia, said universities owed students an assurance they would graduate with English good enough to succeed in the Australian workforce.
About a third of Australia's 239,000 overseas students hope to get a skilled migrant visa once they graduate, according to the research by Monash University demographer Bob Birrell.
Dr Birrell said universities and TAFEs did not independently test the English level of overseas students. Applicants based overseas need to prove their competence to the Immigration Department to earn a higher education student visa, but those already based here for year 12 or other earlier study do not.
Prime Minister John Howard said he was worried by the results of the study showing that 34 per cent of graduating students who were granted permanent residence did not have English skills good enough to justify university admission, let alone pass a degree.
"I will be getting some advice from the vice-chancellors and be getting some advice from my Education Minister as to how accurate they and she believe the research to be," Mr Howard told Southern Cross radio.
But Education Minister Julie Bishop accused Dr Birrell of making an "extraordinary attack" on universities by suggesting they were deliberately allowing standards to fall.
Ms Bishop said the Government would introduce changes in July that would lift the minimum level of English needed to become a permanent resident, bringing it into line with that needed for a higher education student visa.
Greens senator Kerry Nettle said universities had dropped standards to chase fees from overseas "cash cow" students in response to systematic underfunding by the Government.
The Vice-Chancellors Committee rejected suggestions universities lowered standards so they could collect advance fees from overseas students. -
The root of the problem is that Australia (and the UK) have commercialized their undergraduate education system as far as accepting international students is concerned. The point is not about training students to be qualified members in the professional or academic world. It is about maximally getting their money by accepting as many students as possible. Except for first rate schools, I've always found Australia and UK to be crappy places to study in.
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Ok to solve the problem, pls do not send your kids to Australia lah. Ok end of story, now I want the thread on Tibet!!!!
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Oh, puh-lease. Day in day out it's Aussie this, Aussie that, from you. Don't waste bandwidth trying to deny your pathological obsession with Australia. I suspect fymk is right about your motivations.Originally posted by lionnoisy:1.i am sick to repeat my position:I am not against Aussie.
Too many people put Aussie as rosy as possible.
Too many? How many is too many? What's the magic number? Who decides if it's too many? What's the problem with too many? Who do you owe a public service to? Who gives a good goddam if you provide this service? Are there any prospective Australian students' parents reading your little cut and paste jobs?
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I agree you are not against Aussie, you are against all other races, just like Hitler.Originally posted by lionnoisy:1.i am sick to repeat my position:I am not against Aussie.
Too many people put Aussie as rosy as possible.
Can i just put some not so positive aspects of Aussie to share.
Of course SG is not perfect.
