Agreed. But before he commends on my level of english, I would like to say that my level of written and spoken english is horrid. But I cannot see how 1/3 of PRs failing English in Australia can affect those in Singapore much, maybe I should start posting stories about people in Tibet yeah?Originally posted by Gedanken:Hey, with such bad English, perhaps cut-and-paste is the lesser of two evils.
Originally posted by lionnoisy:I don't have a farking clue what you are trying to say.
First,thanks for correcting my poor English.
There is no rule here that only those with perfect English need to post here.
Therefore,i am here again,until MOD tell me off.
1.[b]How about passing rate of local Aussie graduates?
I am keen to know and pl post the report here,to be fair
to Aussie U.
2.How the report affecting SG students graduating there
PRC graduates there fails 43% ,compared with the overall 34%.
Thats is about 25% more than the overall.
Assuming SG students score 50% better,(just assume)
there are 17% SG students graduates fails!!
How do you feel if there is 1/6 chance your kid(so called
graduate) fails in English after spending so much Money??
3.If your English is better than mine,pl post more constructive
threads and postings here.Lets wiser by reading this forum!!
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:You sound a lot like Adolf Hitler, he propogated the theory that the Aryan race was superior to other races.
First,thanks for correcting my poor English.
There is no rule here that only those with perfect English need to post here.
Therefore,i am here again,until MOD tell me off.
1.[b]How about passing rate of local Aussie graduates?
I am keen to know and pl post the report here,to be fair
to Aussie U.
2.How the report affecting SG students graduating there
PRC graduates there fails 43% ,compared with the overall 34%.
Thats is about 25% more than the overall.
Assuming SG students score 50% better,(just assume)
there are 17% SG students graduates fails!!
How do you feel if there is 1/6 chance your kid(so called
graduate) fails in English after spending so much Money??
3.If your English is better than mine,pl post more constructive
threads and postings here.Lets wiser by reading this forum!!
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Oh, no no no no no, don't get me wrong. I am in no way, shape or form trying to stop you from posting here.Originally posted by lionnoisy:First,thanks for correcting my poor English.
There is no rule here that only those with perfect English need to post here.
Therefore,i am here again,until MOD tell me off.
Two words, Maurizio, two words. Jesse Owens.Originally posted by maurizio13:You sound a lot like Adolf Hitler, he propogated the theory that the Aryan race was superior to other races.
"In 1936, Berlin hosted the summer Olympic games, which were opened by Hitler and choreographed to demonstrate Aryan superiority over all other races, achieving mixed results. Olympia, the movie about the games and other documentary propaganda films for the German Nazi Party were directed by Hitler's personal filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl."
"Hitler believed in a Social Darwinist struggle for survival between the different races, among which the "Aryan race" - guided by "Providence" - was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization and the Jews as enemies of all civilization. Whether his anti-semitism was influenced by older Christian ideas remains disputed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler
I see alot of similarities between Hitler and you.
Maybe nobody's answering your question because your Engrand is too powderful and they can't understand what you're asking.Originally posted by lionnoisy:Why 1/3 of Aussie PR,who graduated in Aussie U,fails
in English test ?Tell me why first.
Pl settle this before discussing English standard of
foreigners in SG.Most of them ARE NOT graduate.
So dunt expect too high for their English.
The Prime Minister, John Howard, said he would consult vice-chancellors and the Education Minister, Julie Bishop. "But I'd like to look below the headline of that research before saying other than that, on the face of it, it's concerning," he said.Pressured to pass poor students,Harriet Alexander Higher Education Reporter,January 30, 2007
UNIVERSITY teachers are passing overseas students despite poor English and substandard work because of pressure from administrators to minimise the failure rate, academics say.---http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/teachers-pressured-to-pass-poor-students/2007/01/29/1169919274734.html
One recently retired academic said he passed overseas students who handed in work he would never have accepted from domestic students.
And a former teacher at the University of Central Queensland's Sydney campus said exams in the legal course were open book and multiple choice so they were easy enough for the overseas students to pass.
The claims come in response to a study by the demographer Bob Birrell, which found more than a third of overseas students were graduating from university with a lower standard of English than is required for entry.
The Prime Minister, John Howard, said he would consult vice-chancellors and the Education Minister, Julie Bishop. "But I'd like to look below the headline of that research before saying other than that, on the face of it, it's concerning," he said.
Ms Bishop said the report was an "extraordinary attack" on universities. "I have seen no evidence to suggest that students aren't able to complete their courses because they're failing in English, yet they are being passed by the university."
Most universities have guidelines recommending the maximum number of students that should fail any given course.
John Forge, a philosophy science lecturer who worked at universities in NSW and Queensland for more than 30 years, said he resigned in disgust at the degradation of standards. "If you failed more than 25 per cent you had to explain yourself," Dr Forge said. "The assumption was, if they got in they must be up to the standard, so if you want to throw out more than a quarter there's something wrong with the admissions process and they're not going to admit to that."
Another former lecturer, at Central Queensland University, estimated up to half of her class plagiarised assignments because the standard of English they handed in was so superior to the level at which they spoke.
Sometimes sections of their essays were written in a different font, indicating they had been cut and pasted from the internet. "I found about 40 students of mine that had plagiarised but I was told by a colleague, don't fail that many, they'll just target you."
Angela Delves, a deputy vice-chancellor at CQU, said international and domestic students were assessed to the same standards. Tony Pollock, the chief executive of IDP Education, which administers the International English Language Testing System, said universities should start testing students as they graduated.with AAP
2.ans:Originally posted by valentinoo:sorry to interrupt
When u say Fail in English meaning? There is no English test in Uni..how do u know the numbers of ppl who fail? ?
The claims come in response to a study by the demographer Bob Birrell, which found more than a third of overseas students were graduating from university with a lower standard of English than is required for entry.,pl read all postings here.
So "In education forex, we trust", it is just a statement right?Originally posted by lionnoisy:,pl read all postings here.
2.oh sould be ''In education forex,we trust''.
Times magazine once changed to ''In oil we truth''
So i dunt think it is ok change to this way
3.Many countries are chasing money contributing by foreign students,
incl SG.Dunt make the standard slip too far.
Too late.Originally posted by lionnoisy:Dunt make the standard slip too far.
Australia's leading recruiter of overseas students is urging universities to introduce English tests at the start and end of all degrees for the good of students.
Responding to research suggesting that one in three international students graduated despite having a poor grasp of English, IDP Education Australia yesterday called for universities to use internationally recognised English tests before admission and graduation.
The call came as the Federal Government confirmed that it would raise the English level required for skilled migrant visas.
Tony Pollock, chief executive of IDP Education Australia, said universities owed students an assurance they would graduate with English good enough to succeed in the Australian workforce.
About a third of Australia's 239,000 overseas students hope to get a skilled migrant visa once they graduate, according to the research by Monash University demographer Bob Birrell.
Dr Birrell said universities and TAFEs did not independently test the English level of overseas students. Applicants based overseas need to prove their competence to the Immigration Department to earn a higher education student visa, but those already based here for year 12 or other earlier study do not.
Prime Minister John Howard said he was worried by the results of the study showing that 34 per cent of graduating students who were granted permanent residence did not have English skills good enough to justify university admission, let alone pass a degree.
"I will be getting some advice from the vice-chancellors and be getting some advice from my Education Minister as to how accurate they and she believe the research to be," Mr Howard told Southern Cross radio.
But Education Minister Julie Bishop accused Dr Birrell of making an "extraordinary attack" on universities by suggesting they were deliberately allowing standards to fall.
Ms Bishop said the Government would introduce changes in July that would lift the minimum level of English needed to become a permanent resident, bringing it into line with that needed for a higher education student visa.
Greens senator Kerry Nettle said universities had dropped standards to chase fees from overseas "cash cow" students in response to systematic underfunding by the Government.
The Vice-Chancellors Committee rejected suggestions universities lowered standards so they could collect advance fees from overseas students.
Oh, puh-lease. Day in day out it's Aussie this, Aussie that, from you. Don't waste bandwidth trying to deny your pathological obsession with Australia. I suspect fymk is right about your motivations.Originally posted by lionnoisy:1.i am sick to repeat my position:I am not against Aussie.
Too many people put Aussie as rosy as possible.
I agree you are not against Aussie, you are against all other races, just like Hitler.Originally posted by lionnoisy:1.i am sick to repeat my position:I am not against Aussie.
Too many people put Aussie as rosy as possible.
Can i just put some not so positive aspects of Aussie to share.
Of course SG is not perfect.