They hit us where it hurts most
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Jakarta cut off sand supply to us. KL wants to limit or terminate water flow to us. Our two close neighbours, when they cannot compete with us on other economic terms, resort to "bankrupt" us with what they have and we have not. I am sure our Govenment have had forsee this long ago. We simply cannot depend on desperate competitors who are trying hard to be level with us.
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IF, our knowledgeable government had forseen these circumstances long ago, these issues could have been successfully avoided. Fact is, they DID NOT.Originally posted by thinkloud2004:Jakarta cut off sand supply to us. KL wants to limit or terminate water flow to us. Our two close neighbours, when they cannot compete with us on other economic terms, resort to "bankrupt" us with what they have and we have not. I am sure our Govenment have had forsee this long ago. We simply cannot depend on desperate competitors who are trying hard to be level with us.
Doing things their way, having things done their way, being strictly by-the-book in negotiations, and being inflexible as well as insensitive, brought them these denial of services and supplies today!!
What do youthink?? They forsaw all these??? They were thinking that they can strong-arm our neighbors!!!
Too bad, doesn't work on others - only on meek and suppressed Singaporeans.
I have no eyes to see liao... -
let it be la..
we SG always kana bully by them de..
i believe our govt sure got some countersteps against their moves -
2.ur comments are not fair.PAP have prepared it well and soundOriginally posted by ShutterBug:IF, our knowledgeable government had forseen these circumstances long ago, these issues could have been successfully avoided. Fact is, they DID NOT.
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for these turning off taps situations.We people never think
even sands supply will be cut off with so short notice.
But MIW already think of the worst and prepare at their best.
Cool down and look.The sands and water are always
on the table to let us continue our lifes.
2.Sands and water always on the table
Have u heard a ship load of sand arrived after one week
of sand ban news and second is on the way?
Even u dunt believe the shipments,do u believe
what your eyes see now--stock piles of sands near
Bedok Reservoir?
sands sands sands every where
Have u heard of the 5th Water Tap and Bye bye MY water by 2011?
3.
u have been told to stock pile 2 weeks of foods.
Oil in SG enough for 1 day of global usage..
Have MIW done enough for the worst?
4.open your mind then you can see
Like Chinese saying go:Seeing but not really apprehend.
If u have a bad impression,Your mind will deny
sub consciously what you see.
5.SG start to build underground rock cavern for hydrocarbon storage
to save 60 ha surface land and to prevent it being attcked !!
JTC begins construction of Jurong Rock Cavern at Jurong Island,Singapore, 8 February 2007
Look at ungerground ammo facility -
Fret not! Haven't you noticed that Jarkarta & many parts of Malaysia have been submerged in water..........? I control the weather and turn it against them mah - aka retribution.!
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This not the 1st time or will it be the last time of bullying lah.... Our life will just goes on as always.....
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You are just making a fool out of yourself for making these sort of statement.Originally posted by ShutterBug:IF, our knowledgeable government had forseen these circumstances long ago, these issues could have been successfully avoided. Fact is, they DID NOT.
Doing things their way, having things done their way, being strictly by-the-book in negotiations, and being inflexible as well as insensitive, brought them these denial of services and supplies today!!
What do youthink?? They forsaw all these??? They were thinking that they can strong-arm our neighbors!!!
Too bad, doesn't work on others - only on meek and suppressed Singaporeans.
I have no eyes to see liao... -
2.u mean SG can control the weather and use RSAF ''towOriginally posted by :Fret not! Haven't you noticed that Jarkarta & many parts of Malaysia have been submerged in water..........? I control the weather and turn it against them mah - aka retribution.!
the raining clouds to them?''
How many sci fi u hv read?
3.BTW The Phrase one of underground cavern capcity of 1.47 million m3(or 9 million barrels) can support SG 45 days usage.
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In all fairness Shutterbug, the SG govt has been finding means through the decades to resolve the water issue by damming up the reservoirs as well as developing cheaper desalination methods. The closing of Malaysian taps is not unforeseeable cos of the very obvious reliance on them for water. If Malaysia wants to play hardball and strong-arm us, surely you wouldn't want the govt to go meek and be suppressed?Originally posted by ShutterBug:IF, our knowledgeable government had forseen these circumstances long ago, these issues could have been successfully avoided. Fact is, they DID NOT.
Doing things their way, having things done their way, being strictly by-the-book in negotiations, and being inflexible as well as insensitive, brought them these denial of services and supplies today!!
What do youthink?? They forsaw all these??? They were thinking that they can strong-arm our neighbors!!!
Too bad, doesn't work on others - only on meek and suppressed Singaporeans.
I have no eyes to see liao...
As for the sand issue, to what extent that itself was foreseeable remains unknown. In fact, anyone can always look back on hindsight to say that anything that has occured could have been foreseeable.
I doubt strong-arming was an agenda when dealing with our ASEAN neighbours. SG is not a superpower and cannot do that. As far as SG is concerned, it is standing up for its sovereign status and will not subject itself and its citizens to any form of blackmail by our neighbours.
In all the posts I have seen from you, I do not recall seeing you credit the govt for any good that they have done for SG. I might have missed it though.... -
Indonesia Cut off Sand
but not Papua New Guinea.
We still have fresh delivery 400,000 metric ton from there.
and that should be better, now even Cambodians would like to deliver Sand to singapore -
If this was not planned for, I am sure Singapore would have been taken as hostage with any possible new supply from overseas, plus how can the first shipment of sand arrive singapore so soon if this wasnt planned ahead.Originally posted by zaxis:Indonesia Cut off Sand
but not Papua New Guinea.
We still have fresh delivery 400,000 metric ton from there.
and that should be better, now even Cambodians would like to deliver Sand to singapore -
Still remember the case of Pork from Malaysia?
how can Malaysia pork problem, solved over night?
how long they need before new pork can breed from Indonesia?
how till now cannot import from Malaysia? -
Water issue.
Drink NeWater lah. Still water molecules what~
The water you drink might be 3 billion years old ok? lionnoisy, dun be a cock lah! Telling people what's NeWater after that person made that comment. Teaching your father how to fuck har?
Pork issue.
Gahmen pattern bai liao liao. Reduce their farmer's income, then just ji tao might as well cut their income off. But it's somewhat like gambling, you bet on different things lor. -
You must know that they are facing difficulties now, the flood around the region has affected thier decision to supply us. Imagine if your country can't provide for your own people will you go and supply others?Originally posted by thinkloud2004:Jakarta cut off sand supply to us. KL wants to limit or terminate water flow to us. Our two close neighbours, when they cannot compete with us on other economic terms, resort to "bankrupt" us with what they have and we have not. I am sure our Govenment have had forsee this long ago. We simply cannot depend on desperate competitors who are trying hard to be level with us. -
Originally posted by a-Lost-9uY:let it be la..
we SG always kana bully by them de..
i believe our govt sure got some countersteps against their moves
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2.How safe is MY pig?Pl read--Originally posted by zaxis:Still remember the case of Pork from Malaysia?
how can Malaysia pork problem, solved over night?
how long they need before new pork can breed from Indonesia?
how till now cannot import from Malaysia?
'Adequate laws to prosecute pig farmers',PETALING JAYA (Jan 17, 2007):Veterinary Services Department (VSD) director-general Datuk Abdul Aziz Jamaludin says pig farmers who dishonour the "Aku Janji" oath will be brought to court.
---http://www.thesundaily.com/article.cfm?id=16704
"There's no need for new laws to prosecute errant pig farmers. If they feed pigs with beta-agonist, a banned growth enhancer, the court will decide on the penalty under the Penal Code," he added.
Abdul Aziz said state governments can also use their state enactment to punish the culprits, including closing down their farms.
He said VSD enforcement teams are still conducting checks and collecting samplings on pig farms in the country. "If they are found using beta-agonist, the farms will be quarantined."
"Farms found free from the use of beta-agonist, we will continue to conduct tests. We will not tell them that they are clear," he added.
Deputy Agriculture and Agro-based Industry Minister Datuk Mah Siew Keong said it was now mandatory for pig farmers to sign the "Aku Janji" oath for renewal of farming licence.
"This will enable us to take legal action when they break the oath," said Mah.
Meanwhile, Federation of Livestock Farmers' Associations of Malaysia pig unit chairman Tung Hong Chai said: "We support the government's oath signing requirement for pig farming licence.
"Although most pig farmers had agreed to sign the oath, they were advised to seek legal advice from their lawyers.
"If pig farmers have stopped using the growth enhancer, there is no harm in signing the oath," he said.
Tung said the VSD should reconduct tests on pig farms, found using beta-agonist and quarantined for a month, again so the farmers can resume their operations and business.
However, an industry source said the many loopholes in the various Acts governing the use of the growth enhancer had been exploited and "is now the source of problems" as the control of drugs in animals is under the jurisdiction of the Health Ministry.
The loopholes in the Poison Act:
* beta-agonist has been classified as Group A poison for animal feed since 1991, but no action has been done to ensure it is not used;
* the Act allows drugs to be sold to farmers directly and they do not need to seek any veterinary advice from veterinarians or prescription;
* no requirement for pharmacists to declare what is in the product when they sell it to the customers. Most packages can even have no labels or can be sold in plastic pails, bags or drums with minimal labelling; and
* the Act also allows complete exemption on import and sale without restriction of all veterinary feeding supplements, which means if an importer falsely declares the growth enhancer as importing veterinary feeding supplements - there is no need for him to have a poison licence.
He said although the Sale of Drugs Act accepts the registration of veterinary medicines, to date there is no veterinary drug registered.
He said any drug in any label, without the quality check or control in any way can be imported if it is declared as veterinary drug.
He said the VSD through its primary legislation, the Animal Act, has no authority on producers on the use of drugs.
"Why is the Health Ministry pushing the problem to the Agriculture Ministry as the Act has no authority on producers on the use of drugs," he added.
He said the VSD provided veterinary inspections at government and privatised abattoirs but once the meat leaves the abattoirs, "it falls under the jurisdiction of the Health Ministry's Food Act".
He said it was ironic that the (health) minister now wants to identify the root causes of the problems afflicting pig farmers when the puzzling problems had been looming since 1991 when beta-agonist was banned.
2.Indo Pig breed by SG
I remember news reported that SG has a pigsty in Indo.
The management initially dunt welcome reporters for
they afraid virus will be brought inside.
No new pigs is allowed into the farm.Only OUT,No in.
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SDP calls on the PAP to identify itself on the Internet and challenges it to an online debateOriginally posted by JLennon:In all fairness Shutterbug, the SG govt has been finding means through the decades to resolve the water issue by damming up the reservoirs as well as developing cheaper desalination methods. The closing of Malaysian taps is not unforeseeable cos of the very obvious reliance on them for water. If Malaysia wants to play hardball and strong-arm us, surely you wouldn't want the govt to go meek and be suppressed?
As for the sand issue, to what extent that itself was foreseeable remains unknown. In fact, anyone can always look back on hindsight to say that anything that has occured could have been foreseeable.
I doubt strong-arming was an agenda when dealing with our ASEAN neighbours. SG is not a superpower and cannot do that. As far as SG is concerned, it is standing up for its sovereign status and will not subject itself and its citizens to any form of blackmail by our neighbours.
In all the posts I have seen from you, I do not recall seeing you credit the govt for any good that they have done for SG. I might have missed it though....
05 Feb 07
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2.i appeal to SDP also do the same.Originally posted by ShutterBug:SDP calls on the PAP to identify itself on the Internet and challenges it to an online debate
05 Feb 07
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Dun blame the govt lah. As if they have a crystal ball.........
If you got so much foresight, y dun you step forward to raise this point? Having the foresight and not doing anything is far worse than the govt not doing anything because they didn't see it coming. If the govt is bad, u r worse...!
In any case, if others want to stab you in the back, there is nothing you can do to prevent it..... if cannot stab you one place, they'll cho-cho you in some other place lor........! An jian nan fang lor...........
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It is useful to see the perspective from the other side, and not just hold your own beliefs.
I dont think those actions are sabotages meant to undermine Singapore, as what your first post suggest.
To know what's going on, try to put yourself in the other party's shoes.
For Malaysia, they feel that the water is sold very cheap, and the contract price is outdated, they feel they are having the short end of the bargain. Then they wanted to re-negotiate for a better price, and if still cannot reach a compromise, they would rather cancel or break the contract, since they feel it's not fair anymore.
For Indonesia, the sand mining is very destructive to the environment, as the miners dont care about the enviromental damage. The companies just want to make money, and they use whatever crude method they like. It has caused wider and wider enviromental damage. Furthermore, in some areas there is concern the massive sand mining will reduce the island shoreline or reduce the elevation. Not just big environment effect, but also possible political or territorial effect. They are worried that in the future, any border dispute or a redrawing of boundaries may happen.
Indonesia actually not just banned sand mining, some time ago it banned tin mining as well, as it caused massive holes resembling pockmarks.
So as you can see.....both these countries have their own concerns and their own internal reasoning which made them decide like that. I really doubt it has much to do with Singapore, or let alone a deliberate intent to negatively sabotage Singapore.
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Originally posted by :Fret not! Haven't you noticed that Jarkarta & many parts of Malaysia have been submerged in water..........? I control the weather and turn it against them mah - aka retribution.! I just told my friends in Indonesia if they noticed that it was the same river from where we get our water supplies that is flooding Malaysia. If the malaysian could just sell the water to us and use the money to improve the drainage, this might not have happened, or not so serious.
I was told that it wont be long before the Indonesian government resume supplies of sand to us, simply because they have no other customers for the sand. The lost of the business is affecting them, especially the people in Riau islands.
I won't say what happened is retribution, and I dont' like to laugh at the neighbours suffering from natural disasters, but, what a coincidence. -
I read from TODAY few days ago:
One of the biz leaders in Riau said:
The land for land base sand mine covering 50 ha,compared with
other activities of 1000 ha,
Indo governemnt get S$3 per m3 for sand.
2.Today 09.feb 2007 Channel 5 news,MAH BOW TAN
said SG had talked to INDO before banning sands,but failed.
He said,the mine is very far away from boarder.
So,SG is puzzled why the boarder is a issue raised . -
Bloody knn Indons. We save their ppl from tsunami and help build their homes, this is how they repay us. Jakarta flood is a gift from God to teach them. Amen.