15 years to reach 6.5 million pop.?
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Will become?Originally posted by iLuVpOrKyPiG:where are we gonna get another 2.5 million people? locally borne singaporeans will become second class citizens.
Or have already become?
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SG have enough land for commerical and industrail for much
further growth.
1.commerical
Double office space.
Thanks to our forefathers who gave tax to governments .
Governments then can reclaim land some 2o years ago for
future developments,like Busininess and Finance Center.
Now we have Marina South of some 330 ha , big enough to double
office space in CBD of spore.
URA annual report 1977/1978.
2.Industrail
40 ha of built up land on Jurong.
Once the plot ratio is increased,much floor area can be provided.
Besides,there are plenty of empty land in Tuas and Tuas Extension.... -
Yah..I think the whole of Sg will be under the sea by then.. Talk Cock!
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Yes, continue to expand land by reclaimation... perhaps one day, Singapore can pretty much merge with surrounding islands of Indonesia and people here can even drive all the way to Australia... -
we almost became second class citizens in 1963, now history repeats itself again!Originally posted by iLuVpOrKyPiG:where are we gonna get another 2.5 million people? locally borne singaporeans will become second class citizens. -
Wow. They're already having so much trouble handling the needs of 4+ million people... still talk about having 6.5 million people. No way lah.. no one in the right mind would want their quality of life to go lower than it is now.
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yeah.. was thinking.. since our birth rate is one of the lowest in the world, what's going on?
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after GCT took over and he published a book called
The Next Leap.It outlines in year X,SG will have 4 million people .
2.History repeats .Many called crazy.How can the population grows
to that figure.
u hate it or not,Strait Times also forecast SG
will reach 6.5m in 20 years.Longer than my forecast of 15 years.
3.Face the reality.The more is merrier. -
more the merrier??
not a chance.. but then, a lot of people are hoodwinked by flawed economics -
Another 2 million FTs/FWs/PROs/PRCs..... in 15 years.
*sigh*
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Our population is actually increasing slowly, our main issue is that of an greying population.Originally posted by the Bear:yeah.. was thinking.. since our birth rate is one of the lowest in the world, what's going on?
Can SG really support 6.5 mil people? Well, it's like going out on the streets and seeing 1 more person for every two you see... all things considered we still got the space, but things are certainly going to get more packed. -
Take a look at the trains and buses in the morning, do you think they are very pack and unplesant to go work or school? Imagine 4 to 6.5m do you think it will become better or worse?
Take a look at the price of property which most people will spend almost entire life to work inorder to pay for a place to stay. Do you think 4 to 6.5m population it will increase the price or lower? Who is going to suffer?
Lastly look at 4 to 6.5m who will be benefitting from it. The government or the people? -
You know, for a person who worships statistics, you really ought to note how fast our population really grew over the last few years and this actually will get achieved faster than you think.Originally posted by lionnoisy:after GCT took over and he published a book called
The Next Leap.It outlines in year X,SG will have 4 million people .
2.History repeats .Many called crazy.How can the population grows
to that figure.
u hate it or not,Strait Times also forecast SG
will reach 6.5m in 20 years.Longer than my forecast of 15 years.
3.Face the reality.The more is merrier.
The really big driver has PRs and foreigners coming in from the outside. I recall that the population was like in 2.5 million or something mid 90s. Then I was shocked when the statistic was 3.5 million a few years later. I won't be surprised if that figure stood at 4.5-5 now. -
Yeah the more is merrier for you MIW cronies for you probably get more bonuses and a pay raise to boot...Originally posted by lionnoisy:after GCT took over and he published a book called
The Next Leap.It outlines in year X,SG will have 4 million people .
2.History repeats .Many called crazy.How can the population grows
to that figure.
u hate it or not,Strait Times also forecast SG
will reach 6.5m in 20 years.Longer than my forecast of 15 years.
3.Face the reality.The more is merrier.
If we are depending on FTs to increase our population base, I would say I rather we stay at 4.5million and work on getting our current population base to grow.
It's funny to see how the MIW "solves'' problems now.
1) To prevent aging population, instead of trying to solve the problem of high cost of raising kids and the current mentality of only 1 is enough, they bring in FTs who will one day feel the same as Singaporeans.
2) Instead of urging people to take to the public transports and thus cutting down on the number of cars on the road, they are allowing the upward spiral of public transportation cost, while cars are getting cheaper and cheaper. So they try to ''solve'' it again by having ERP gantries all over the CBD.
Noticed that they are not solving the problem of traffic congestion, but in either way, they are increasing their coffers... sometimes you can't help but think that their main aim is to be the number one business conglomerate in the world... -
Pls note that all statistics figure can be fabricated to suit one interest/need in Sinkapore.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:You know, for a person who worships statistics, you really ought to note how fast our population really grew over the last few years and this actually will get achieved faster than you think.
The really big driver has PRs and foreigners coming in from the outside. I recall that the population was like in 2.5 million or something mid 90s. Then I was shocked when the statistic was 3.5 million a few years later. I won't be surprised if that figure stood at 4.5-5 now.
that why the shares market would seldom respond with the export/inport figures revealed by SG!!! -
Whereas that is true to an extent, it is undeniable that there are in general more foreigners in Singapore over the last few years.Originally posted by foomwee88:Pls note that all statistics figure can be fabricated to suit one interest/need in Sinkapore.
that why the shares market would seldom respond with the export/inport figures revealed by SG!!! -
yeah.. slowly... but the math doesn't add up to what the powers say...
as for the "greying population", people forget that the current youth is tomorrow's greying population.. then what? 10 million people?
there is a limit to how many Planet Earth can handle.. to what Singapore can handle... already, global warming is one of the alarm bells the politicians are ignoring..
anyway, go ask Joe Average and Jane Ordinary what the MRT trains are like during peak hours and if it can handle a 45% increase, they'll probably piss themselves laughingOriginally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Our population is actually increasing slowly, our main issue is that of an greying population.
Can SG really support 6.5 mil people? Well, it's like going out on the streets and seeing 1 more person for every two you see... all things considered we still got the space, but things are certainly going to get more packed. -
But do u know who n where they r from??? when the population has increased to the size?No idea right!!!Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Whereas that is true to an extent, it is undeniable that there are in general more foreigners in Singapore over the last few years.
SG will tell u the emplyment market has increased 111,ooo jobs,same questions as above??? no idea!!!!
All these figures r made up to be at a right time n place to score points!!!
From 2 day till wednesday (14/2/07),we will c ST reported a lot of good news from the SG b4 sillyporeans have to eat the 2 bitter pills at one go!! -
6.5million people!!!!!! wow.. definately would not want to be here when the bird flu pandemic break out!..6.5m is simply ridiculous for a country the size of singapore! we better think hard on the numbers cause there wont be any turning back...
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Judging by the way of the ruling party is doing...they are just interested in collecting more amd more taxes and services revenue!!!Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Yeah the more is merrier for you MIW cronies for you probably get more bonuses and a pay raise to boot...
If we are depending on FTs to increase our population base, I would say I rather we stay at 4.5million and work on getting our current population base to grow.
It's funny to see how the MIW "solves'' problems now.
1) To prevent aging population, instead of trying to solve the problem of high cost of raising kids and the current mentality of only 1 is enough, they bring in FTs who will one day feel the same as Singaporeans.
2) Instead of urging people to take to the public transports and thus cutting down on the number of cars on the road, they are allowing the upward spiral of public transportation cost, while cars are getting cheaper and cheaper. So they try to ''solve'' it again by having ERP gantries all over the CBD.
Noticed that they are not solving the problem of traffic congestion, but in either way, they are increasing their coffers... sometimes you can't help but think that their main aim is to be the number one business conglomerate in the world...
Time to plan for immigrate!!! -
Steady. Liddat over population and more civil disagreements and more wastage of natural resources and more contribution to global warming.
Is this thread about "Humanity facing certain doom in the near future"? Or is it just Singapore? -
What does this have to do with whatever the powers say?Originally posted by the Bear:yeah.. slowly... but the math doesn't add up to what the powers say...
as for the "greying population", people forget that the current youth is tomorrow's greying population.. then what? 10 million people?
there is a limit to how many Planet Earth can handle.. to what Singapore can handle... already, global warming is one of the alarm bells the politicians are ignoring..
The ideal situtation for us would be to be replacing our population at just the right level to keep a proper ratio in balance. Given the uprising age balloon caused by the baby boom, the target replacement rate for Singapore to tank this without significant distruption is still someways off.
What we do know is that if we keep at this replacement rate, there are going to be large problems for the working and middle class in the future (I'm not sure about the elite but they probably don't want the "lesser" classes to be too unhappy). As much as they have their own motivations, I do not think the "powers-that-are" are worried about the falling birth rate simply because it affects their coffers- this is a real problem that will start to stain our population in the coming future.
Today's youth will not cause a greying population issue if the idea replacement rate is achieved, at which the population will more or less settle into a steady state. We have certainly not achieved that state yet, but the knee-jerk reaction of looking at sheer population size and thinking it could cut at there is simplistic, not to mention failing to take into account many other factors. At worst it can be disasterous.anyway, go ask Joe Average and Jane Ordinary what the MRT trains are like during peak hours and if it can handle a 45% increase, they'll probably piss themselves laughing
You will probably get the same reception if you asked people in 1992 that if our MRT lines could really handle the population of 2007 in rush hour. They will probably find it hard to comprehend.
Can we take 45% increase? Probably. The ability of a nation to take it's population depends on its infrastructure as well. In terms of sheer land area we still have more then enough land to house an additional 45%. Of course new things will have to be built and current things upgraded.
At the end of the day, all said and done is this: Can we really, or pratically cap our population at where it is now? If not, shouldn't we be discussing more pratical things instead of always playing the tune of "more people=bad"? -
Originally posted by the Bear:
[banyway, go ask Joe Average and Jane Ordinary what the MRT trains are like during peak hours and if it can handle a 45% increase, they'll probably piss themselves laughing
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If that is so, why is the land reclamation going on and on? Simple, we don't have enough land. The profit minded MRT is hardly able to cope with the rush hour traffic now, not to mention 45% increase. What we see now is more and more lands being used to built playgrounds for the rich FTs. More PAPs=bad. A dual economy will become a reality - a class of working poor locals vs a class of rich expoitative pro PAP FTs.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:You will probably get the same reception if you asked people in 1992 that if our MRT lines could really handle the population of 2007 in rush hour. They will probably find it hard to comprehend.
Can we take 45% increase? Probably. The ability of a nation to take it's population depends on its infrastructure as well. In terms of sheer land area we still have more then enough land to house an additional 45%. Of course new things will have to be built and current things upgraded.
At the end of the day, all said and done is this: Can we really, or pratically cap our population at where it is now? If not, shouldn't we be discussing more pratical things instead of always playing the tune of "more people=bad"? -
Our government seems to be overly obsessed with numbers. With the current population number, Singaporeans are already gasping for air to breathe and fighting for space. I can't really imagine a proposed additional 2 million increase in population in the next 15 years.
I do agree that aging population will pose problems in the near future being a major concern(i.e. the decrease of working force, defense force, nationwide healthcare and infrastructure etc.). By allowing the influx of foreign talents/workers into Singapore, will not solve the problem but will also create other social problems which are aleady slowly surfacing now. This is not a computer game of 'Sim City' where everything is about numbers, increase tax when no $$ so that can build more buildings to attract more people to come to work/play/study and stay, so that to collect more tax. I believe there are other ways that has been discussed in other forum topics to solve the population problem but it takes time but our government seems to prefer short-cut ways.
Hail to more horrific traffic jams. Hail for more stress and competition. Hail for even more crowded public transport. Hail for the jostling for walking space in shopping centres. Hail for longer queues for food during lunch hours. The lists shall go on....
Are Singaporeans just numbers that generate $$$ to the government? I hope the government will stop playing 'Sim Singapore'.