Budget benefits for the elderly, too.... hahahahaha
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Budget benefits for the elderly, too: SM
— the elderly — should keep their ears pricked for Thursday's announcement, Lau Goh
Among the initiatives to be launched is the creation of what he called a "silver industry".
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The Ministerial committee on ageing-related issues will release more details, Mr Goh told reporters at a community event in Marine Parade yesterday.
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He said: "There are many categories of elderly. I would say first concentrate on the able elderly. We will try and create an environment where older people are encouraged to work and employers want to make use of their services."
They want the elderly to work... hahahahaha! and that is called, helping the elderly! hahahahaha!
Instead of setting up a system where the elderly can enjoy their sunset years playing with grand children, they design a system where the elderly has to work to survive! hahahahahaha!
Budget to HELP the poor and elderly! hahahahahahahahahahaha!
What evil the 66% that voted did!
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retirement?
only if you have started collecting peanuts during your useful years. -
Well, what's new man...?
Anyway, I know of quite a lot of old men and women, who prefers to be actively working or doing something even though their aging. I too feel that it is good to keep one's self busy or occupied no matter how old you are. Activity keeps your spirit up, as such, it also preserves reasonable health.
However, I doubt the old and SICK will find this 'Silver Idea' appealing; how can a sick and old person slog on for a daily living? What's more, old folks who are now working are doing so on their own accord, because they need to pay for their monthly medicals and medications. And for the paltry income they make, our gov is even considering making these aged lower income groups, contribute CPF and Medisave. Walao... really heartless..!
haiz... no words to say about our gov...squeeze you till your last breath...! -
There are many ways to keep oneself "busy or occupied no matter how old you are" but that includes things like looking after grand children and gardening, not working 9-5!Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well, what's new man...?
Anyway, I know of quite a lot of old men and women, who prefers to be actively working or doing something even though their aging. I too feel that it is good to keep one's self busy or occupied no matter how old you are. Activity keeps your spirit up, as such, it also preserves reasonable health.
However, I doubt the old and SICK will find this 'Silver Idea' appealing; how can a sick and old person slog on for a daily living? What's more, old folks who are now working are doing so on their own accord, because they need to pay for their monthly medicals and medications. And for the paltry income they make, our gov is even considering making these aged lower income groups, contribute CPF and Medisave. Walao... really heartless..!
haiz... no words to say about our gov...squeeze you till your last breath...!
This really shows their true colours. Now they do not want to care anymore, they are openly taking care of the rich and the rest can be their coolies. -
For at least 50% it is too difficult to keep up because you know who keeps on taking so that there will be a pool of elderly workers to service the rich.Originally posted by LinYu:retirement?
only if you have started collecting peanuts during your useful years. -
Hmmmm... but the problem is who is going to employ those elderlys? unless gov got a company that willing to employ those thousands of elderlys..
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"help" them get wash dishes jobs at the hawker center because everything purposely made so expensive they have no choice but to work to survive...Originally posted by thelesis:Hmmmm... but the problem is who is going to employ those elderlys? unless gov got a company that willing to employ those thousands of elderlys.. -
my dad made a point about the current batch of old people.
for current batch of old people who laboured all their lives in blue collared jobs because they had no education and are poverty stricken and no choice. To ask them to work 1 more day for their day of meals is torture.
for people who held white collared jobs all their lives, propably was born with silver spoon or are fairly rich to begin with, had good education and had the choice to choose better jobs and climb up the corporate ladder. They would find that having to work another day is perhaps considered a joy and no worries about the next meal.
So, its clear who the system is clearly thinking when making the policy. -
Originally posted by mistyblue:my dad made a point about the current batch of old people.
for current batch of old people who laboured all their lives in blue collared jobs because they had no education and are poverty stricken and no choice. To ask them to work 1 more day for their day of meals is torture.
for people who held white collared jobs all their lives, propably was born with silver spoon or are fairly rich to begin with, had good education and had the choice to choose better jobs and climb up the corporate ladder. They would find that having to work another day is perhaps considered a joy and no worries about the next meal.
So, its clear who the system is clearly thinking when making the policy.
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You mean... they ever put THOUGHTS into the system???Originally posted by mistyblue:my dad made a point about the current batch of old people.
So, its clear who the system is clearly thinking when making the policy.
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Theoractically it sounds good, yeah they are finally helping the older workers!Originally posted by ShutterBug:You mean... they ever put THOUGHTS into the system???
BUT.
I have a feeling that this would be just another repeat of their policy to get Singaporeans to have more babies... in other words, sounds good but need to see what steps they are going to take... so no comments for now. -
Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:
They always come up with seemingly "good" sounding theories.... and then turns out so different when implemented.
Theoractically it sounds good, yeah they are finally helping the older workers!
[b]BUT.
I have a feeling that this would be just another repeat of their policy to get Singaporeans to have more babies... in other words, sounds good but need to see what steps they are going to take... so no comments for now.[/b]
I mean look man.. old folks are working for peanuts, because they need money to either survive and buy medicines. Yet, criterias are being worked out for Workfare Bonus, wherein aged and low income earners are REQUIRED to contribute CPF & Medisave!
Doesn't it look HALF-ASSED again???
LPPL, in the end, these aged and low income earners will find their income not sufficient to buy the monthly medication which, are increasing in cost year by year!!!
Hey, I mean... WTF man??? MIW, why the fark bother to try helping?? I think don't help BETTER AH! -
If the S'pore elderly want to work, they should do it on their own free will (probably to supplement their savings ans also to keep busy). But I agree that many of the aunties/uncles sweeping up shopping centres and wiping foodcourt tables are there because they are living hand-to-mouth.
I find it really sad that these elderly have to work long hours for low pay (the 60+ yr old cleangin-auntie at my office earns $900/month, working 12 hrs a day, 5-&-half days a week). In some 'western' countries, they have a 'pension' scheme for the elderly, where they get a monthly allowance (and also subsidised medical care/medicine). Before anyone 'slams' their welfare system as 'wasteful', just imagine your parents or grandparents having to wipe foodcourt tables for pittance. Thank goodness my parents are well-taken care of by their savings, and my brother and I).
according to www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_23/b3936141_mz035.htm, [url], S'pore has about $115,000,000,000 (yes $115 billion) worth of reserves. You mean ALL these reserves can't be somehow used to allow the elderly a more leisurely retirement? How can the increase in GST make sense, when the elderly (that the extra GST-revenues are supposed to help) bear the brunt of lowered-expandable-income?
And I thought S'pore is a pseudo-Confucionist state where respect for the elderly is paramount... -
Basically, they are afraid that people will become lazy and complacent, and as a result, exhaust their precious reserves... which in effect, are the people's money originally.Originally posted by blueheeler:If the S'pore elderly want to work, they should do it on their own free will (probably to supplement their savings ans also to keep busy). But I agree that many of the aunties/uncles sweeping up shopping centres and wiping foodcourt tables are there because they are living hand-to-mouth.
I find it really sad that these elderly have to work long hours for low pay (the 60+ yr old cleangin-auntie at my office earns $900/month, working 12 hrs a day, 5-&-half days a week). In some 'western' countries, they have a 'pension' scheme for the elderly, where they get a monthly allowance (and also subsidised medical care/medicine). Before anyone 'slams' their welfare system as 'wasteful', just imagine your parents or grandparents having to wipe foodcourt tables for pittance. Thank goodness my parents are well-taken care of by their savings, and my brother and I).
according to www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_23/b3936141_mz035.htm, [url], S'pore has about $115,000,000,000 (yes $115 billion) worth of reserves. You mean ALL these reserves can't be somehow used to allow the elderly a more leisurely retirement? How can the increase in GST make sense, when the elderly (that the extra GST-revenues are supposed to help) bear the brunt of lowered-expandable-income?
And I thought S'pore is a pseudo-Confucionist state where respect for the elderly is paramount...
IF for once they will give the people some benefit of their doubts, they will then move closer to some real praises from the people. Otherwise, they remain as Slave Drivers in the eyes of the people, and International Observers.
They themselves are so friggin Kia Su, and they are telling the people not be Kia Su and Kia Si... duh!
Oh by the way; the only Elderly one to respect on this island nation is none other than you know who....we are by and large, mere peasants. -
Why nobody is blaming their children for not providing enough for them go into semi retirement?Originally posted by blueheeler:If the S'pore elderly want to work, they should do it on their own free will (probably to supplement their savings ans also to keep busy). But I agree that many of the aunties/uncles sweeping up shopping centres and wiping foodcourt tables are there because they are living hand-to-mouth.
I find it really sad that these elderly have to work long hours for low pay (the 60+ yr old cleangin-auntie at my office earns $900/month, working 12 hrs a day, 5-&-half days a week). In some 'western' countries, they have a 'pension' scheme for the elderly, where they get a monthly allowance (and also subsidised medical care/medicine). Before anyone 'slams' their welfare system as 'wasteful', just imagine your parents or grandparents having to wipe foodcourt tables for pittance. Thank goodness my parents are well-taken care of by their savings, and my brother and I).
according to www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_23/b3936141_mz035.htm, [url], S'pore has about $115,000,000,000 (yes $115 billion) worth of reserves. You mean ALL these reserves can't be somehow used to allow the elderly a more leisurely retirement? How can the increase in GST make sense, when the elderly (that the extra GST-revenues are supposed to help) bear the brunt of lowered-expandable-income?
And I thought S'pore is a pseudo-Confucionist state where respect for the elderly is paramount... -
>> some people, their children did not do well academically, or simply did not have the money to support their education hence, they end up labourers, hawkers, and market vege sellers and such - how to support them in retirement? On their childrens end, their childrens' children need all the money they can earn for tertiary education so they can eventually end up competing with foreigners by accepting lower salaries... it goes on in a vicious circle...Originally posted by Gazelle:Why nobody is blaming their children for not providing enough for them go into semi retirement?
>> some people, their children just don't give a damn - their children probably are trying to be high-flyers, pursuing all the Cs in Singapore, and neglects their parents. Or, they simply couldn't cope and flopped royally in trying to be high-flyers and end up in a huge heap of debts.
>> some people, their children became Middle Class earners, they have two kids or more, and are bogged down with housing loans, car loans, and in upkeeping a maid. Then there are some who live together with their parents and are floating a household of 4 children, and parent in-laws with either combined salaries or one mighty bread winner - who may or may not eventually lose his job and go down the way some who chose the MRT tracks...or land themselves in IMH.
>> largely now, most people's children became married but childless. Now, these are the current trend. They will rather toil and save up ever dollar and cent, enjoy life where and whenever possible, take care of both sides parents, and when time comes, they retire abroad taking along whatever they have achieved and saved. -
This is the only 'developed' country i know where 60 year old ladies wash toilets and clean lifts in office blocks.
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Well, the system here is tailored for Millionaires and or Civil servants...Originally posted by gill_hfc:This is the only 'developed' country i know where 60 year old ladies wash toilets and clean lifts in office blocks.
Otherwise, you can well end up ditto... -
Maybe you havent travel enough to see it.Originally posted by gill_hfc:This is the only 'developed' country i know where 60 year old ladies wash toilets and clean lifts in office blocks. -
The problem is the system isn't it? "Take take take" from the people and then accuse them of not "saving" "not filial" "no foresight"
Enough of pointing fingers I say, three fingers are pointing back at them. -
Yup,they blame only the sillyporeans why u r not as smart as Gods,that why u deserve it!!!Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:The problem is the system isn't it? "Take take take" from the people and then accuse them of not "saving" "not filial" "no foresight"
Enough of pointing fingers I say, three fingers are pointing back at them.
We r in the middle class family also hve 2 struggle like shti to meet ends meet!! My wife n I will never bother to disturb our children asking them 4 $ cauz we know how life is in Spore,cost of living is so high!!!
We will migrate soon 4 we cant take the heat in Spore!!!! -
More of these young Sporean after reading the article will go to immigration agency to plan to migrate to other countries.Originally posted by foomwee88:Yup,they blame only the sillyporeans why u r not as smart as Gods,that why u deserve it!!!
We r in the middle class family also hve 2 struggle like shti to meet ends meet!! My wife n I will never bother to disturb our children asking them 4 $ cauz we know how life is in Spore,cost of living is so high!!!
We will migrate soon 4 we cant take the heat in Spore!!!! -
We will see on Feb 15 what the govt had to say on Budget day but the no of local migrating still continued.Originally posted by Gazelle:Why nobody is blaming their children for not providing enough for them go into semi retirement?
Our local immigration figure is similar to HK. -
can some of u go be opposition? to stand up and voice all this out to the open public, to the masses. what u all say makes sense, but no point saying them here since it is within a confined audience.
what i said above is sugarcoated.
in raw it is stop NATO -
Before anyone can take any action, I think it would be prudent to wait for the "Berlin Wall" to eventually be taken down. Otherwise, anyone trying to oppose them, will only end up like CSJ - lawsuits after lawsuits, jail term after jail term.Originally posted by bladez87:can some of u go be opposition? to stand up and voice all this out to the open public, to the masses. what u all say makes sense, but no point saying them here since it is within a confined audience.
what i said above is sugarcoated.
in raw it is stop NATO
They say they are open to challenges, but the barrage of fences and firewall regulations they put up, indicates otherwise.