Budget benefits for the elderly, too.... hahahahaha
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Originally posted by Boy Stratus:Why all the new rules after rules, new benefits after benifits makes me feel poorer & more depressing?
I shall include "benefits" here:
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Do you know that the tax revenue from cars are also being used to repair and enlarge the road system in Singapore. Havent you noticed that Singapore doesnt have 24/7 highway or bridge toll like what you see in so many countries?Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:You do know that the reason why cars are so expensive in Singapore is because of taxes? Technically speaking, the price of cars here ought to be the similar to the US but because the Govt chose to regulate consumption and force people to buy new COE after 10 years, the prices naturally get inflated.
Otherwise, the car companies make similar profits per car. Do go and understand some economics.
Although cars are expensive, but cost of owning a car has definitely come down drastically over the years and we are moving in the right direction.
Yes, the cars in Singapore are not cheap, but why stop at comparing cars only? Why not include the cost and quality public transport in USA? or use cost of BigMac as a comparison.
Since when did Government force their people to buy COE or dictate the price of the COE. Do go do some reading on basic supply and demand. -
Lots and lots of excuses to TAKE and lots and lots of excuses not to give back... did they give back the remainder after building the roads to the people or invest in Shin Corp?Originally posted by Gazelle:Do you know that the tax revenue from cars are also being used to repair and enlarge the road system in Singapore. Havent you noticed that Singapore doesnt have 24/7 highway or bridge toll like what you see in so many countries?
Although cars are expensive, but cost of owning a car has definitely come down drastically over the years and we are moving in the right direction.
Yes, the cars in Singapore are not cheap, but why stop at comparing cars only? Why not include the cost and quality public transport in USA? or use cost of BigMac as a comparison.
Since when did Government force their people to buy COE or dictate the price of the COE. Do go do some reading on basic supply and demand. -
I would rather the cost of owning a car stay up than have ERPs after ERPs which is doing nothing to help the traffic situation. If anything is to go by, the cost of using the public transport is going up, whereby the cost of owning a car is actually going down.Originally posted by Gazelle:Do you know that the tax revenue from cars are also being used to repair and enlarge the road system in Singapore. Havent you noticed that Singapore doesnt have 24/7 highway or bridge toll like what you see in so many countries?
Although cars are expensive, but cost of owning a car has definitely come down drastically over the years and we are moving in the right direction.
Yes, the cars in Singapore are not cheap, but why stop at comparing cars only? Why not include the cost and quality public transport in USA? or use cost of BigMac as a comparison.
Since when did Government force their people to buy COE or dictate the price of the COE. Do go do some reading on basic supply and demand.
If the MIW's predictions of a population of 6.5million in the next 20years are to be believed, they have better work hard at reducing the cost of public transportation and improving the services to encourage the switch over. -
Then what do you call the ERP then? It is still on average cheaper to drive in the US, and mind you, I'm right there now, and toll isn't something you see every 5 or so miles but rather like 10-20? Heck, I could own a car for 4000USD and I could drive heck around with abundant mobility, and carparks at the surb malls are free. Anyone who earns 28000USD a year can afford a used car of that price, why the hell even bother with public transport? Can a person earning 28000SGD even own a used car? Do you want me to throw more stuff into the mix? What other excuses do you want to give?Originally posted by Gazelle:Do you know that the tax revenue from cars are also being used to repair and enlarge the road system in Singapore. Havent you noticed that Singapore doesnt have 24/7 highway or bridge toll like what you see in so many countries?
Although cars are expensive, but cost of owning a car has definitely come down drastically over the years and we are moving in the right direction.
Yes, the cars in Singapore are not cheap, but why stop at comparing cars only? Why not include the cost and quality public transport in USA? or use cost of BigMac as a comparison.
Since when did Government force their people to buy COE or dictate the price of the COE. Do go do some reading on basic supply and demand. -
a) IF you make $2.3K per month in Singapore you can afford to buy brand new off peak car, or a used car.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Then what do you call the ERP then? It is still on average cheaper to drive in the US, and mind you, I'm right there now, and toll isn't something you see every 5 or so miles but rather like 10-20? Heck, I could own a car for 4000USD and I could drive heck around with abundant mobility, and carparks at the surb malls are free. Anyone who earns 28000USD a year can afford a used car of that price, why the hell even bother with public transport? Can a person earning 28000SGD even own a used car? Do you want me to throw more stuff into the mix? What other excuses do you want to give?
b) You dont need to go to USA to look for cheap used car, there are plenty across the causeway.
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As you know there is no one policy that can satisfy the entire population and I can assure you that many here will say that your suggestion is nonsense and they would rather have cheaper car so that you dont waste more money paying interest to the bank and keep the ERPs.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:I would rather the cost of owning a car stay up than have ERPs after ERPs which is doing nothing to help the traffic situation. If anything is to go by, the cost of using the public transport is going up, whereby the cost of owning a car is actually going down.
If the MIW's predictions of a population of 6.5million in the next 20years are to be believed, they have better work hard at reducing the cost of public transportation and improving the services to encourage the switch over.
Singapore public transportation is among the best, cheapest and most efficent in the world, and that is not something that can be achieved without planning. -
I think there's no need to pursue exhaustive arguments here...
I agree that our gov has done a lot for us, improved on public transportations, road upkeeping, landscaping, etc...
But the fact that incresing numbers of local families migrating elsewhere, simply signifies that whatever good our gov does, is OVER PRICED.
Yes, that's right. They put a price on everything; from problems to solutions to healthcare to whatever...and then themselves every now and then...
People are opting out of their Mad Race... -
Yep I must agree that Singapore's public transportation is indeed amongst the best and cheapest. Sometimes we do take things for granted don't we?Originally posted by Gazelle:As you know there is no one policy that can satisfy the entire population and I can assure you that many here will say that your suggestion is nonsense and they would rather have cheaper car so that you dont waste more money paying interest to the bank and keep the ERPs.
Singapore public transportation is among the best, cheapest and most efficent in the world, and that is not something that can be achieved without planning.
But meanwhile I feel that ERPs is definately not a solution, it's more of a temporary measure... the rate it is popping up is like mushrooms after a rainy spell! -
ERPs are an excuse to make money...Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:But meanwhile I feel that ERPs is definately not a solution, it's more of a temporary measure... the rate it is popping up is like mushrooms after a rainy spell!
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Public transport? In the Cities? I could pay just 2.50 to travel to San Francisco Airport from one of the adjacent towns. It's 76USD for 30day unlimited ride on the train and that is more than enough for NYC.Originally posted by Gazelle:a) IF you make $2.3K per month in Singapore you can afford to buy brand new off peak car, or a used car.
b) You dont need to go to USA to look for cheap used car, there are plenty across the causeway.
c) Since you are there, why dont you tell us what is the cost of taking public transport in USA?
And one has to pay more than ten times just to own a used car in Singapore. Which is the more raw comparison? Go across the causeway? Don't you have to pay COE still?
The price of ownership of a car is way too high for a starting pay worker. He'd be better off using public transport till he starts earning >5K a mth. -
We need people with this kind of common sense approach rather than endless debating while there is no real freedom of press, of expression, of information and in a short word: No Democracy.Originally posted by ShutterBug:ERPs are an excuse to make money...
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Democracy here, is a word without its meaning....Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:We need people with this kind of common sense approach rather than endless debating while there is no real freedom of press, of expression, of information and in a short word: No Democracy. -
Oh it is here with the usual meaning. See, Nazi Germany arose through Democracy, so did our own brand of autocracy.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Democracy here, is a word without its meaning.... -
a) What kinda of train service are you referring to?Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Public transport? In the Cities? I could pay just 2.50 to travel to San Francisco Airport from one of the adjacent towns. It's 76USD for 30day unlimited ride on the train and that is more than enough for NYC.
And one has to pay more than ten times just to own a used car in Singapore. Which is the more raw comparison? Go across the causeway? Don't you have to pay COE still?
The price of ownership of a car is way too high for a starting pay worker. He'd be better off using public transport till he starts earning >5K a mth.
http://www.bart.gov/tickets/calculator/fareCalculator.asp
b) How did you arrive the cost of more than 10 times?
c)They dont pay COE in malaysia
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Just like income tax, gst, import duties, property tax, stamp fee, road tax, corporate tax etc.Originally posted by ShutterBug:ERPs are an excuse to make money...
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b) Look, 4K USD = 7000SGD. 4 seater, 4 doors. You could go get a 3K USD = car if you are really that broke. You could get a brand new car for 20K.Originally posted by Gazelle:a) What kinda of train service are you referring to?
http://www.bart.gov/tickets/calculator/fareCalculator.asp
b) How did you arrive the cost of more than 10 times?
c)They dont pay COE in malaysia
d) Isnt that what our government trying to encourage people to use public transportation?
a) Fine, I underestimated the price, but 6 USD is frankly a fairly good deal considering the ride is nearly an 1hr long. In the case, of New York, Singapore has no fight since the network is far more denser and the so called monthly MRT fare stamp is limited to 2 rides a day.
c) Er yah. So you want to work for 1/2 less in Malaysia? Don't want to come to Singapore huh...
d) Yeah yeah, public transport. More cash for the Govt anyhow. -
There is alot of meaning to democracy....it can also mean instability...Originally posted by ShutterBug:Democracy here, is a word without its meaning.... -
Don't be an idiot. ERP was supposedly designed to control traffic but statistically, it hasn't changed anything but rather made things worst.Originally posted by Gazelle:Just like income tax, gst, import duties, property tax, stamp fee, road tax, corporate tax etc.There is alot of meaning to democracy....it can also mean instability...
You mean rather that people in Singapore are a bunch of cowards that decided to sell their brains to a Govt to do the thinking for them? What's the point of a GE then? Ego boosting for the PAP? Why not have LKY declare himself de jure Emperor? -
Yes you're right.Originally posted by Gazelle:d) Isnt that what our government trying to encourage people to use public transportation?
But if only public transportations are made more efficient and commuter friendly. Currently, I believe most people are saying it is over-loaded during peak hours due to population size, and foreigners making up all of the bulk.
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Just like tobacco and alchohol tax, it is supposed to discourage people from smoking and drinking,Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Don't be an idiot. ERP was supposedly designed to control traffic but statistically, it hasn't changed anything but rather made things worst.
Just stamp duties, it is suppposed to discourage people from speculating properties.
Just like road tax, it is supposed to encourage people to drive smaller capacity cars.
Just like COE, they are encourage people to take public transport
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I didnt know that singaporeans are a bunch of cowards? Are they? Maybe thats why they are so afraid of FT and immigrants huh?Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:You mean rather that people in Singapore are a bunch of cowards that decided to sell their brains to a Govt to do the thinking for them? What's the point of a GE then? Ego boosting for the PAP? Why not have LKY declare himself de jure Emperor? -
So what is your point, we should gleefully donate to the Govt all our monies? Is that what you are trying to say? Cos, Aside from pushing out all these examples which are utterly meaningless, you haven't told us anything useful.Originally posted by Gazelle:Just like tobacco and alchohol tax, it is supposed to discourage people from smoking and drinking,
Just stamp duties, it is suppposed to discourage people from speculating properties.
Just like road tax, it is supposed to encourage people to drive smaller capacity cars.
Just like COE, they are encourage people to take public transport
Isnt ERP the same idiot?
And while we "donate" our cash, the Govt pats itself on the back and the ministers get handsome salaries. Heck, cut their pay in half, and you probably save a few million dollars. -
Afraid of FT and immigrants? Naturally. Let's see whether you will say the same thing when your job gets taken away.Originally posted by Gazelle:I didnt know that singaporeans are a bunch of cowards? Are they? Maybe thats why they are so afraid of FT and immigrants huh?
And how about addressing the point about declaring the PAP the sole party? Just what is the point of a GE when you can save taxpayers' money by not having one? -
Yah I regard GE as some kind of wayang...Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Just what is the point of a GE when you can save taxpayers' money by not having one?
And I heard that even if the votes aren't in favor of PAP, our old chief will call in the Army...
What do we call that??