What Gen Sonthi want ?
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They should actually ask Thaksin to buy back those Satellite with his own Money since Thaksin is the one who caused all these trouble with Singapore
Thaksin who sold the Thai Satellites and communication systems to a foreign power for his own profits is as well like selling his country to any countries in the globe.
Will u not be angry if the Singtel Satellite is owned and control by the Malaysian government ?
They can say that yeah yeah we wont listen to ur conversation.Capitalist conversations are screwed..Government conversations are screwed (there are bound to be leaks, Intelligence agency can work it out easily..) Sentitive stuffs and trade are screwed and along with others many things along..
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Even Thai newspaper says the Gen should shut up.
EDITORIAL
Wrong speech at wrong time.20.feb 2007Gen Sonthi Boonyaratkalin spoke unwisely last week in his speech to young volunteers about the nation and its military. The vow to recapture national assets sold to Singapore in the Shin Corp deal was as poorly phrased as it was incorrect...
---http://www.bangkokpost.com/200207_News/20Feb2007_news19.php
...the audience generally thinks he is considering the use of force. In fact, the words used by the army commander certainly gave that impression. "Soldiers will not tolerate a loss of territory, not even a square inch," he said, and "It is the same with natural resources." Gen Sonthi continued about how it was his specific duty to "retrieve our assets". That is an alarming way to talk about property currently owned by an arm of the Singapore government...
Gen Sonthi should make it clear himself that he was not even hinting at the use of force.
It is unacceptable and neighbours fear irrational acts from this administration.
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The problems of the southern parts of thailand started as early as the 1970's, and the violence died down in the 1990's, maybe some of you were too young to remember the chain of events and only know what happened starting from 2004. There was a return to violence since 2004 and the thai people cannot expect their new leaders to eradicate the problem overnight, since it has been around for decades.Originally posted by hloc:Took Thailand more than 5 mths and they still can't charge former PM of anything. So now bully little S'pore because WE don't know our place
Look at the south of thailand..... bombing still going on, and yet they blame former PM for failing to bring peace.
Thaksin is to be blamed for some of the violence which started in 2004.
''Since Thaksin came to power in 2001, a rising number of attacks have been attributed to Islamic separatist groups. Their growing influence has been fuelled in large part by ThaksinÂ’s heavy-handed methods and his governmentÂ’s support for WashingtonÂ’s so-called war on terrorism. As in other parts of the country, there is widespread opposition in the south to BangkokÂ’s decision to send troops to bolster the illegal US-led occupation of Iraq.''
quoted from: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/thai-m05.shtml
After the April 28, 2004 massacre which killed 112 people, mostly teenagers, he tried to downplay the involvement of islamic extremists, saying that those killed were drug addicts and local criminals.
''Thaksin’s “war on drugs” in early 2003 involved the widespread extra-judicial killing of alleged drug dealers by police. It was a crude attempt to divert attention from growing economic and social problems by exploiting popular hostility to drug trafficking. The result was at least 2,274 deaths after government agencies drew up blacklists. Few people believed police claims that the murders were the result of inter-gang feuds, not least of all because there was not a single arrest in any of the cases.
There is also a strong element of diversion in the suppression of Islamic separatists in the countryÂ’s south. Thaksin and his Thai Rak Thai party won the 2001 elections by playing on deep resentment over the impact of the economic restructuring program of his predecessor Chuan Leekpai. Having postured as a defender of the poor, he then proceeded to implement similar open market policies. The popular discontent over declining living standards has been compounded by growing opposition to the war in Iraq.
On Saturday, more than 60,000 people joined the May Day rally in Bangkok, one of the largest ever, with workers joined for the first time by rural groups. The rally demanded an end to the governmentÂ’s privatisation program of electricity, water and other utilities. For months, workers have been protesting against these measures.
Other demands included a higher minimum wage, more health and child care centres, protection for the right to organise and the protection of migrant labour. Significantly, these economic demands were connected to a call for the withdrawal of Thai troops from Iraq.
By raising of the spectre of terrorism, the Thaksin government is creating the climate for the use of the most draconian methods against any opposition—in the south or elsewhere in the country.''
quoted from: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/thai-m05.shtml
Gen Sonthi may have made allegations such as '' the eavesdropping claim'', but I believe that it is just an attempt to justify why the thai gov should take back the telco. He probably wants to use this issue to increase his political rating in thailand (someone in the forum has mentioned this already).
But he still managed to lead a 'bloodless' coup against thaksin, which is commendable, unlike thaksin, who's policies have caused recent bloodshed in southern thailand. Anyway, it is still early days, it's too soon to judge Gen Sonthi for his words and actions (What actions anyway, besides the coup?) -
actually, i am not siding the thai's but this is a classic clase of `bak chor mee' episode coming out the our own sinkapore.....
thai's decision on this is based on heart and mind, a mix of emotion and rationale of taking what they think is `rightfully' theirs....
singapore is coming purely out of rationale thinking...."eh, we pay good $ what, what' your problem?". "tell me why it's not correct? give me logical, factual answer please...."
the truth is on such matter is, heart rules over the head. just like indonesia's refusal to sell sand to SG, Msia grumbling about the flood situation or the `new' causeway bridge....you cannot win an argument outright based on logical resonance. it's politics. there are hidden agendas not clear to all....
thaksin took the opportunity to profit from the sale of shin corps while (still) in government. that is a bad call given the sensitivity of assets sold. singapore sees it as an opportunity, blindsided by the sensitivity of it all, obviously overlooking the possibility that thaksin will be not be overthrowed. (thaksin still in power will not be tt big of an issue). again SG overlook the past history of army coups there (a bad judgement call)
unless there is very strong business overtures in Thailand, shin corp looks doomed to be (re)acquired by the thai authority. to me, it just shows that temasek is run by bureaucrats who do not undestand that business intricacies that goes beyond ROI.... -
How can the deal be considered purely commercial when temasek's money comes from singaporean tax payers. It should be call national deal. If it is as what LHL claimed purely commercial deal then LHL is telling Singaporean that money in Temasek don't belongs to people? Money in Temasek belonging to the Lees?Originally posted by hloc:Yeah.... i remember. As far as I'm concern, Shin Corp was sold to Temasek in a Black & White deal..... if the Gen Sonthi could at least bring out prove of wrong doing instead of telling the same old story.... At all times there are ppl against the selling of ''national'' company..... the aust are against the selling for their beloved ''flying kangaloo''.... korean are against the selling of their car maker to US company....... so, whats new.
Took Thailand more than 5 mths and they still can't charge former PM of anything. So now bully little S'pore because WE don't know our place Look at the south of thailand..... bombing still going on, and yet they blame former PM for failing to bring peace. -
Reminds me of the time when our PM said he wanted to "fix" the opposition.
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There must be very strong reasons that you want LHL and Ho ching to step down even before shin corps deal. Care to share?Originally posted by mhcampboy:even before that happens... we wwant them to step down.. -
good observation... yes bak chor mee. Singapore does business US style... Asians do it more Japanese style - give and take. Just see the way P*P rule Singapore, Cantonese : "Yao Sak Chor, Mo Fong Gor" even to its own citizens...Originally posted by weiqimun:actually, i am not siding the thai's but this is a classic clase of `bak chor mee' episode coming out the our own sinkapore.....
thai's decision on this is based on heart and mind, a mix of emotion and rationale of taking what they think is `rightfully' theirs....
singapore is coming purely out of rationale thinking...."eh, we pay good $ what, what' your problem?". "tell me why it's not correct? give me logical, factual answer please...."
the truth is on such matter is, heart rules over the head. just like indonesia's refusal to sell sand to SG, Msia grumbling about the flood situation or the `new' causeway bridge....you cannot win an argument outright based on logical resonance. it's politics. there are hidden agendas not clear to all....
thaksin took the opportunity to profit from the sale of shin corps while (still) in government. that is a bad call given the sensitivity of assets sold. singapore sees it as an opportunity, blindsided by the sensitivity of it all, obviously overlooking the possibility that thaksin will be not be overthrowed. (thaksin still in power will not be tt big of an issue). again SG overlook the past history of army coups there (a bad judgement call)
unless there is very strong business overtures in Thailand, shin corp looks doomed to be (re)acquired by the thai authority. to me, it just shows that temasek is run by bureaucrats who do not undestand that business intricacies that goes beyond ROI.... -
Sonthi is trying to fudge up what has been going on with the Pattani movements ever since he came to power.
