Real reason behind Indonesia sand dispute
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Originally posted by ninefold9:
Is this a case of retribution?
2 things in the minds of these indonesians
(a) hinting they want more money for selling sands to chinkapore
(b) to show off to others that they are 'big brother' to chinkapore
Wonder what will happen if chinkapore threatens to pull out from
participating and helping out with the building of special economic
zones(SEZ)s in Riau, Batam & Karimun.
Even if the SEZs are completed I wonder how many foreign investors
would want to park their investments in Indonesia.
Just because they see SEZs are working in other countries, they
thought they could build some to get out of their poverty trap.
The SEZs will become [b]'White Elephants' in Indonesia.
The widespread corruptions going on among the officials and
weak political leadership would mean - the concept of SEZ will not
work in Indonesia.[/b]
Indonesian death toll rises to 25 http://sg.news.yahoo.com/070304/3/471u3.html
one catastrophe after another happening in Indonesia?
The more they hammer the little Red Dot, they more troubles they face
The more you help them will relief aid they more they bully you.
Strangely the Indonesian President not speaking out publicily concerning the export of sands issue to chinkapore. -
FM George says all's well.
Talks resuming. -
i wonder wht else can he saytt is politically correct.Originally posted by Ponders:FM George says all's well.
Talks resuming. -
The trumpet is playing in msia too, with the 'Malaysia Boleh' campaign...so what's new?Originally posted by Heartlander:Before we examine the red-eye disease that swept across our neighbourhood, first we must look at our own behaviour and find out what actually causing such epidemic.
Singapore is doing well no doubt and most feel that our local media are boasting too much day in and day out about our achievements. That 'BEST IN THE WORLD", "FIRST IN THE WORLD",should not use too often and we need someone else to praise our achievement and we should not praise ourself too often. Our lcal media are trying to boost our confidence but inadvertantly hurt them too often.
Our ministers earn the highest salary in the world have already causing them some discomfort, that inferiority complex is part of the normal and healthy human reactions but a little red dot keeps projecting itself "THE BEST IN THE WORLD, THE FIRST IN THE WORLD, THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD" may give them many sleepless nites!
Think for youself, if you are staying in the HDB neighbourhood and you earn 50 times the salary more than your heighbours' and you keep boasting about your achievements to your neighbours, check to see how your neighbours react!
No matter how Singapore needs to be more humble and gracious. If you are rich, keep it to yourself!If you are good, let others look up to you. If you are smart, let the world judges you and you need not have to hurt others by hinting that they are stupid!
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The difference I suppose, is that the common layperson will be the one tanking most of the damage that comes from this red-eye disease. The people in the ivory towers are not so much affected until the discontent caused by the disturbances to the commoners start to affect them direction... which could take a while.Originally posted by saffron60:The trumpet is playing in msia too, with the 'Malaysia Boleh' campaign...so what's new?
The elite can soak up the cost of sand ban driving up building prices... but it's the ones with less wealth that will be hit the hardest.
But in any case I do not believe that we should bow over to Indonesia when they choose to link sand to other issues as "pressure"... I think everybody has the common sense to see that giving in to this "pressure" will invite more bullying.
However it would do us well to tread carefully with other countries in the region... as much as one goes law-by-law... he needs to know the unwritten rules as well. -
a very senoir zhaobao columnist believe there is something to do with indon's own political & domestic problem. So the president also LL agreed the ban sand hoo-ha. But just wonder how can such small hoo-ha help the indon govt to sort out their problem though it does help to divert attention a bit.
so our MP also have the same worries and concern over all these hoo-ha with our neighbours. George very the busy
oh better quickly faster get the LNG storage up else don't know when they wana cut gas. This one no joke. And who provide us the natural gas to generate electricity now? goodness....northern and southern ... amidabha..why we always give chance to others to strangle us??? -
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
The article appear in today's Suday Times .
Singapore is currently buying sand from China for S$36 per cubic metre.
Before the ban, exactly how much did Singpore pay for Indonesia's sand?
Now Indonesia is asking for S$20 per cubic metre. Business is about fair deal, even if it's between govt of two countries.
If these figures are facts, just buy from Indonesia at her asking price, S$20, problem solved.
Or is it more complicated than that? Anything else PAP don't want ppl to know?
For your info.. Sand will be unban soon.. Izzit the rumours or what i not really sure.. But what i know will be next week...
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Originally posted by Evo'x':
Let's wait till next week.
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Originally posted by googoomuck:
The article appear in today's Suday Times .
Singapore is currently buying sand from China for S$46 per cubic metre(not S$36).
Before the ban, exactly how much did Singpore pay for Indonesia's sand?
Now Indonesia is asking for S$20 per cubic metre. Business is about fair deal, even if it's between govt of two countries.
If these figures are facts, just buy from Indonesia at her asking price, S$20, problem solved.
Or is it more complicated than that? Anything else PAP don't want ppl to know?
[b]For your info.. Sand will be unban soon.. Izzit the rumours or what i not really sure.. But what i know will be next week...
Anyone have ever know this!!![/b] -
I remember when news of the overthrow of Pres Surharto reached the world, LKY was quick to condem the people power revolution in Indonesia. He said it was wrong.
Everyone knows Surharto and his sons and daughter were corrupted to the core. And here we have our leader saying the coup is wrong. He didnt care if many poor Indonesians were suffering - no money, no job, no food on the table.
WHY did he condemn the people power coup?
The reason is the same as the sand supplier crisis.
Indonesian authorities have been trying to extradicate certain corrupt officials hiding here, These former officials and Surharto's family members had billions of corrupted money dumped into Singapore banks (so claimed Indonesia.) If we ever sign the extradication treaty then, it will mean the lost of these accounts in our banks. We are talking about billions of dollars.
Our dear leaders refused to sign an extradication treaty - until forced to do so recently - because no sand, no granite is big headache.
Frankly, the Minister of National development should be fired for his inability to expect such a problem rising anytime. Total incompetence if you ask me. -
LKY doesn't believe in democracy but stability. He doesn't like corruption since it saps people's respect for the institutions, but doesn't mind bribing himself with our money. The net result is a personality cult that encompasses a nation that allowed itself to be duped into "electing" him in a joke of an election.Originally posted by justiceforall:I remember when news of the overthrow of Pres Surharto reached the world, LKY was quick to condem the people power revolution in Indonesia. He said it was wrong.
Everyone knows Surharto and his sons and daughter were corrupted to the core. And here we have our leader saying the coup is wrong. He didnt care if many poor Indonesians were suffering - no money, no job, no food on the table.
WHY did he condemn the people power coup?
The reason is the same as the sand supplier crisis.
Indonesian authorities have been trying to extradicate certain corrupt officials hiding here, These former officials and Surharto's family members had billions of corrupted money dumped into Singapore banks (so claimed Indonesia.) If we ever sign the extradication treaty then, it will mean the lost of these accounts in our banks. We are talking about billions of dollars.
Our dear leaders refused to sign an extradication treaty - until forced to do so recently - because no sand, no granite is big headache.
Frankly, the Minister of National development should be fired for his inability to expect such a problem rising anytime. Total incompetence if you ask me.
Like everything political, there's always a hidden motive. Question is what is it? Indonesian money? Perhaps. Our leaders won't tell you of course.
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Not because we used it to host beach volley ball matches?
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Our dear leaders refused to sign an extradication treaty - until forced to do so recently - because no sand, no granite is big headacheOriginally posted by googoomuck:Let's wait till next week.
Granite- Price drop from Malaysia and still coming in to Sgp..
Sand- price around us$26-us$28 Cif from Cambodia to Sgp..
Granite will be more den enough now, as for sand are getting slow due to Tugboat n Barge price from Indonesia but still keep coming to Sgp..
Price before ban from Indonesia Cif us$11-us$13 (selling to end user s$40-s$45)
Now selling to end user s$60-s$75.
Above selling at Per Ton.
What the real problem?
Money!!! Profit!!!
Who the victims.. Singaporean!!!
1) Flat of Houses getting expensive..
2)Living standard getting improved..
3)It seem like everythings in singapore getting expensive..ha..
Why have to invest into Indonesia when Singaporean really need help..
Why does those charity show have to perform every year..(our gov have lots of money don't know how to throw!!) -
I am sorely dissapointed with our so-called leaders. they had capitulated to pressure.
Having tasted blood, the Indonesians will try again....this time they will ban something else in order to pressure us.
Unless our leaders put their foot down, we will forever be at the mercy of the barbarians down south...........pui........to the Indons, and to the so-called multi million dollar elite leaders who sell us out........