China can't curb evironmental pollution
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After China realizes they fail to meet Environmental goals, they introduce new plans to cut green house gas emission. But they will fail again, simply because their population is so huge their judicial system is too weak and too corrupt to fight with polluters. Pollutors can always get away easily.
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and you just realised this?
most of their rivers are poisoned, they choose to use obsolete energy-generating methods when they could have started with the low-emissions type, they chose a lot of things where their philosophy was "growth at any costs"
now, they have to attempt to fix the mess, but probably are unable to.. but their "growth at any costs" philosophy has still not been abandoned.. -
That's what I said last year; they will eventually outdo themsleves.... -
Dubai is catching up with china in terms of green house emission......
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Which country has met environmental goals? USA refuses to sign the Kyoto Pact. It is the biggest polluter of all countries. Yet western propaganda is so successful in pinning China as the culprit by exaggerating everything out of proportion.Originally posted by kog:After China realizes they fail to meet Environmental goals, they introduce new plans to cut green house gas emission. But they will fail again, simply because their population is so huge their judicial system is too weak and too corrupt to fight with polluters. Pollutors can always get away easily. -
Not surprising!!!Originally posted by kog:After China realizes they fail to meet Environmental goals, they introduce new plans to cut green house gas emission. But they will fail again, simply because their population is so huge their judicial system is too weak and too corrupt to fight with polluters. Pollutors can always get away easily.
Govt will do anything to boost economy and never thought of environmental issue or it might only come last!!! -
See lah
Economy grow too fast till everything turns screwed up...
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Exactly, the reason that the West singles out China is because it is ideologically distinct from the West. The West has consumed the majority of the engergy on this planet, which means the bulk of pollutionplaguing this planet is largely their own making. Yet they are quick to point fingers at China simply because it is a socialist country that needs to be contained on all fronts. Pathetic thing is that some unthinking individuals easily buy this political crap.Originally posted by chiabaliao:Which country has met environmental goals? USA refuses to sign the Kyoto Pact. It is the biggest polluter of all countries. Yet western propaganda is so successful in pinning China as the culprit by exaggerating everything out of proportion.
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U mean PRC is a great country to produce all the flies and faked goods regardless of enviroment!!!!linto other countries!!!Originally posted by dreameryb:Exactly, the reason that the West singles out China is because it is ideologically distinct from the West. The West has consumed the majority of the engergy on this planet, which means the bulk of pollutionplaguing this planet is largely their own making. Yet they are quick to point fingers at China simply because it is a socialist country that needs to be contained on all fronts. Pathetic thing is that some unthinking individuals easily buy this political crap.
I felt ashamed to be an overseas chinese!!!! -
That's another sad fact of buying into western propaganda.Originally posted by foomwee88:U mean PRC is a great country to produce all the flies and faked goods regardless of enviroment!!!!linto other countries!!!
I felt ashamed to be an overseas chinese!!!! -
uhh.. it is a fact that china is the no.1 producer of fake stuff in the world
thing about china is that they had a chance to do it right but they spurned it.. i don't know why... they started industrialisation after the low-emission technology is proven, yet they went for the obsolete stuff...
the "west" are about as clean as the driven snow themselves... with Big Oil and Corporations running their economies and therefore by default, the gabraments, they will stop at nothing to hamstring any pro-environment moves because it will mean a total change in the way they work.. and that will reduce profit...
and everyone knows that corporations have no other purpose other than the pathological pursuit of profit and power... -
but china's getting better in terms of environmental protection. I have no idea what the gov is doing, but when I first came here when I was 7, the sky was white. Or gray. you pick. but now, it's been really blue lately. dont say its just 'cause of the wind =P.
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EU lohOriginally posted by chiabaliao:Which country has met environmental goals? USA refuses to sign the Kyoto Pact. It is the biggest polluter of all countries. Yet western propaganda is so successful in pinning China as the culprit by exaggerating everything out of proportion. -
Just because they set the standards doesn't mean they have fulfilled the goals.Originally posted by kog:EU loh -
That's hardly a fact but a western political agenda. They let off India so lightly. China never spurned anything to do it right. It's another total myth. They are not stupid!Originally posted by the Bear:uhh.. it is a fact that china is the no.1 producer of fake stuff in the world
thing about china is that they had a chance to do it right but they spurned it.. i don't know why... they started industrialisation after the low-emission technology is proven, yet they went for the obsolete stuff...
the "west" are about as clean as the driven snow themselves... with Big Oil and Corporations running their economies and therefore by default, the gabraments, they will stop at nothing to hamstring any pro-environment moves because it will mean a total change in the way they work.. and that will reduce profit...
and everyone knows that corporations have no other purpose other than the pathological pursuit of profit and power... -
never underestimate the power of stupidity...
btw, my friends work there.. they walk into the market and are confronted with seas of pirated DVD discs selling for about 50 singapore cents to S$1 each... they look around and see Real Madrid and Barcelona knock-offs for about S$2.. they look through the shops and see "friendly" windows XP discs for S$1 or less..
and the environment? 2 words.. Benzine Spill.. another 2 words? Cyanide Spill.. still 2 more words? cover up
if china.org.cn itself isn't a good source of information for the sino-centric, i don't know what is... because it reported the Yellow River being choked by pollution... and let's not even go to the cities where smog has gotten to them...
remember.. the crimes of the west do not exonerate the east of theirs..Originally posted by chiabaliao:That's hardly a fact but a western political agenda. They let off India so lightly. China never spurned anything to do it right. It's another total myth. They are not stupid! -
Wow, you make the worse out of everything. I can buy all those pirated stuff right here in Singapore. Talk about image and propaganda. The whole country must be flooded by the choking Yellow river by now. You can always read anything way out of proportion.Originally posted by the Bear:never underestimate the power of stupidity...
btw, my friends work there.. they walk into the market and are confronted with seas of pirated DVD discs selling for about 50 singapore cents to S$1 each... they look around and see Real Madrid and Barcelona knock-offs for about S$2.. they look through the shops and see "friendly" windows XP discs for S$1 or less..
and the environment? 2 words.. Benzine Spill.. another 2 words? Cyanide Spill.. still 2 more words? cover up
if china.org.cn itself isn't a good source of information for the sino-centric, i don't know what is... because it reported the Yellow River being choked by pollution... and let's not even go to the cities where smog has gotten to them...
remember.. the crimes of the west do not exonerate the east of theirs.. -
thing is.. they're MADE in chinaOriginally posted by chiabaliao:Wow, you make the worse out of everything. I can buy all those pirated stuff right here in Singapore. Talk about image and propaganda. The whole country must be flooded by the choking Yellow river by now. You can always read anything way out of proportion.
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Made in Singapore!Originally posted by the Bear:thing is.. they're MADE in china -
Excellent point! I wonder how those fervent China-bashers would respond to this observation. The West is clearly singling China out. It does not matter that India is developing its nuclear weaponry. It does not matter that Japan is expanding its military prowess exponentially. It does not matter that the US has its military base in S Korea, Japan, the Phillipines and other "ally countires". But if China makes any move to beef itself up militarily, bang! they start to point fingers, condemn and demand explanation!!! God I am so sick of this hypocrisy. And yet some unthinking imbeciles do not hesitate to join the US in pointing fingers at China. Maybe they have a slavish mentality that whatever the West says must be right and therefore must be embraced wholly.Originally posted by chiabaliao:That's hardly a fact but a western political agenda. They let off India so lightly. China never spurned anything to do it right. It's another total myth. They are not stupid!
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This post does not even meet the minimum standard of logic coherence. Add some facts and reasoning!Originally posted by kog:After China realizes they fail to meet Environmental goals, they introduce new plans to cut green house gas emission. But they will fail again, simply because their population is so huge their judicial system is too weak and too corrupt to fight with polluters. Pollutors can always get away easily.
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sure?Originally posted by chiabaliao:Made in Singapore!
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Pollution is like terrorist, it's an international thing.
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@dreamerb:
i am from europe and i can say this. the "west" like u say, is pointing fingers at china because.....they haven't learned anything from the "western problems"
it is true that the west is the main polluter but. it's the thinking that counts.
which means. at the "rising time" of the west, there were no alternatives to polluting the enivonment, because the technology wasn't advanced enough.
now, 50 years later, the technology is aviable to avoid environmental polluting.
and the European Union will use them. I am not sure about the US, but i think, after they have seen what the global warming can do to their country, they will use them too.
The main reason, why the western countries are "pointing fingers" at china (how u call it) is, because china will grow "at any cost" (like "the bear" said) .
they dont even think about using new technology. that is the main reason.
it's true that china has a "right" to pollute, because western countries does that for many years, but think about this.
china is more than 3-4 times larger than the usa. and the main reason that western countries are trining to stop china from polluting is. the usa is the main polluter now, but china will be in the future. and chinas pollution will be much greater than everything the us has done so far. and if china do not stop NOW, it will be too late in a few years because environmental pollution cannot be "undone".
china has to stop when its pollution is lower than that of the us or it will be too late for the world.
for example..i have seen movies of green water in china. the humans are getting sick of drinking this water. show me even ONE green water in europe or the us. this example alone shows that china has to do something about their pollution. -
doesn't matter which countries produces more..
in the end...all these things will spread to other places and harm all life in general.
if man do not take care of the earth now.there might not be a tomorrow for us.
just given up hope on earth...
it's all about money and power and growth..
* sigh *