Latest news on countering cyberspace criticisms - banning
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robertteh, your posts are always very detailed, you've a deep knowledge of country affairs and you always know what questions to ask. "They" fear you.
"Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter oneÂ’s thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. It is the right which they first of all strike down. They know its power. Thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers, founded in injustice and wrong, are sure to tremble, if men are allowed to reasonÂ…
There can be on right of speech where any manÂ…[is] compelled to suppress his honest sentiments.
Equally clear is the right to hear. To suppress free speech is a double wrong. It violates the rights of the hearer as well as those of the speaker."
Frederick DOUGLASS
In famous plea for free speech in Boston 1860
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Banned you? hahaha you are one of the most chiog hei people I have ever met! Maybe it has nothing to do with your politics.Originally posted by robertteh:I have been banned from youngpap.org.sg from today - probably because truths hurt.
That is the extent government will allow cyberspace criticisms. Read www.youngpap.org.sg "A Review of Government Performance under PM Lee Hsien Loong" for more information. I may be banned too from sgforums.
sorry hor... I have great respect for your writing. -
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. - Adolf Hitler
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. -Adolf hitler
That's what government is fearing when people begin to think and judge them. -
I don't know who owns the sgforums. It might be a site originally set up by some government connection who deliberately went on holiday as a safety valve for some ranting like the Feedback Unit but no more. My first post "Reflection of 2007 Budget" was instantly locked.Originally posted by Ito_^: sgforums wun la. i think. -
Like it is an honour to be banned. Then I must have touched a lottery.Originally posted by FireIce:congratz -
I was banned from channelnewsasia earlier after a few writings about government's "20 major policy errors" This confirms that the government could not tolerate criticisms. It is not my type to post under another id.Originally posted by maurizio13:Hehehe
Go register another account and continue your posting.
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If NKF Durai was asked in his hey days whether he was travelling first class, he would tell you he did not.Originally posted by blueheeler:Aiyo, was I not obvious enough? For whatever the PAP has done, they have kept their plates clean, so much so that finding dirt on them would be impossible. Therefore, I was challenging Robert Teh to use his 'truths' about the PAP - IF his truths are indeed 'true' - against them in a court of law. But sadly, I'm sure Robert Teh's truths are mostly hearsay tidbits that you and I can talk about in this forum, but can't stand the scrutiny in a court of law.
So whether one's plate is clean is clean or not depends on the power and circumstances. -
urm, FireIce anticipated many people might create duplicate topics on the Budget, so she set up one official oneOriginally posted by robertteh:I don't know who owns the sgforums. It might be a site originally set up by some government connection who deliberately went on holiday as a safety valve for some ranting like the Feedback Unit but no more. My first post "Reflection of 2007 Budget" was instantly locked.
its more of an administrative issue -
long live opposition, all hail the mod?
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Yes I admit I was sometimes a little chiong hei, probably thinking of demolishing all the falsehoods and hypocrisy at once.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Banned you? hahaha you are one of the most chiog hei people I have ever met! Maybe it has nothing to do with your politics. sorry hor... I have great respect for your writing. -
Who is afraid of armchair critics.Originally posted by FireIce:armchair critics. -
Quotable quotes from Adolf Hitler. I believe MM Lee has studied some of such techniques of government from him based on some of his past references to this great dictator.Originally posted by (human):How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. - Adolf Hitler
The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. -Adolf hitler
That's what government is fearing when people begin to think and judge them. -
How else to 'fix' a guy which sticks out like a thorn ?
Kill him, virtually. 
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dude, he is a murderer of 6 million jews, and er.......you are quoting him......... I can only said that he has charisma, and huge ego.Originally posted by robertteh:Quotable quotes from Adolf Hitler. I believe MM Lee has studied some of such techniques of government from him based on some of his past references to this great dictator. -
yep this is the same one that appears when I click that forum button.Originally posted by Sagara:How else to 'fix' a guy which sticks out like a thorn ?
Kill him, virtually. -
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector. -PlatoOriginally posted by robertteh:Quotable quotes from Adolf Hitler. I believe MM Lee has studied some of such techniques of government from him based on some of his past references to this great dictator. -
Great ego but sadly of a dictator.Originally posted by allentyb:dude, he is a murderer of 6 million jews, and er.......you are quoting him......... I can only said that he has charisma, and huge ego. -
If banning is the initial method to cull the masses, it would hardly come as a surprise, stemming from our govt's lack of tolerance for dissent.
While the aim was to address the internt buzz head on by 're-butting' statement for statement, a faster method would be to shutdown specific forums and hang several bloggers out to dry by charging them with libel suits. A typical scare tactic to bring others in line.
To date, despite the Ruling party's claim, i have yet to see any intelligible posts attempting to engage the dissenting voices in robust debate. -
To TS, i also don't know for what reason, my ip address has been banned from surfing from their forum, (www.youngpap.org,sg) i never post over there before. >.<
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It is like saying that they are talents but when put to the test they suddenly were at a loss how to create technology start-ups needed to save jobs in all three recessions.Originally posted by BillyBong:If banning is the initial method to cull the masses, it would hardly come as a surprise, stemming from our govt's lack of tolerance for dissent.
While the aim was to address the internt buzz head on by 're-butting' statement for statement, a faster method would be to shutdown specific forums and hang several bloggers out to dry by charging them with libel suits. A typical scare tactic to bring others in line.
To date, despite the Ruling party's claim, i have yet to see any intelligible posts attempting to engage the dissenting voices in robust debate.
So what to do but to talk about rising threats of china and india and globalization.
Now fortune turns a little to our favor because of world recovery, it will be their foresight again which is responsible for all the successes.
If one is to read carefully the jobs were returning to Singapore mostly because of world recovery and people's suffering their wage cuts and wage drops and not much of any new technology catch-ups.
Belief is difficult from real ability. So as days go by their counter-insurgency cyber agents were having a tough time explaining away real problems as not being caused by past mistakes in policies so much so that the agents are almost talking nonsense.
So what to do except to turn on the power by banning the internet. -
Great ego does not make him a Great Dictator.Originally posted by robertteh:Great ego but sadly of a dictator.
Anyway, why are you surprised that you have been banned from their site? It's not your website, so of course the discretion will be theirs as to whether they want to ban you or not. You've got your own blog right? So you can also ban commentors that you don't like from commenting on your blog, if you choose not to, then that's your choice. If 'ban' is too strong of a word for you, you can use the word 'moderate', it's the same thing. If you keep on whining about being banned from the site, you just end up looking like sour grapes. I for one am not interested in reading your blog and most of your writing in this forum anyway, i tried to, but some of your post i find too tedious and long to read. Especially since you made the comment about hitler, i'm even more not interested to read your long posts. -
me too leh..Originally posted by Sagara:How else to 'fix' a guy which sticks out like a thorn ?
Kill him, virtually. -
eh everyone got banned?
technical fault or really ban?
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there's a saying here in japan.Originally posted by saffron60:Great ego does not make him a Great Dictator.
Anyway, why are you surprised that you have been banned from their site? It's not your website, so of course the discretion will be theirs as to whether they want to ban you or not. You've got your own blog right? So you can also ban commentors that you don't like from commenting on your blog, if you choose not to, then that's your choice. If 'ban' is too strong of a word for you, you can use the word 'moderate', it's the same thing. If you keep on whining about being banned from the site, you just end up looking like sour grapes. I for one am not interested in reading your blog and most of your writing in this forum anyway, i tried to, but some of your post i find too tedious and long to read. Especially since you made the comment about hitler, i'm even more not interested to read your long posts.
to ask once is to be shamed once. to never ask is to be shamed a lifetime. -
+1 they even asked my e-mail address when I posted at 3am (spore time) in UK!!!!Originally posted by TYING:I experienced tt too, i thought the government spy dogs have closed down the site.
Strange oh!!!! I think the dogs r sleeping n SAF taking over the site!!!