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minimentos wrote:
Our world-class government regards criticism as cause of instability, whining and anti-government.
"Criticism may not be agreeable but it is necessary; it fulfills the same function as pain in the human body, it calls attention to the development of an unhealthy state of things"
- Sir Winston Churchill
They try ways and means of countering criticisms like countering of cyberspace criticism to avoid answering to real issues and problems and getting away with high-handed policies and actions.
Kishore Mahbunani said as reported in Today ("World Class we already are" 22.3.2007) that we already reached world class.
I wonder how world class is our government in the way it handles truths and criticisms. -
I am prepared to lay a bet (let ministers name the wager) that less than 5% of our current crop of ministers and top civil servants are able to get a higher paying job than their pre-existing pays once they leave their service.
The leaders are using fear tactics to increase their own pays and that of their own cronies to maintain their political power.
So far none of the ministers or top civil servants have been able to reply to some of the posts in youngpap and sgforums regarding the fallacies of benchmarking ministers' pay to top earners in the private sector.
If appears that the leaders are just using their political power to get what they want come what may.
This system of government is called first world and the leaders are claiming success due to the world recovery as attributable to their own talents when common people are being sucked dry to pay towards surpluses and their own salaries as found in NKF. -
redbean wrote:
He also said that he invites or welcomes people with non-conformist ideas to come forward and join the party.
robertteh has put up a very strong position. he is right or wrong. if he is wrong, would vivian come here and refute or demolish his arguments in his post. or can we take it that if there is no reply, then robertteh is factually correct?
i also post at www.redbeanforum.com
When I wrote email to him and pm Lee to self-invite myself to take part in PAP's internal policy debates, what happened to my email.
Both he and PM Lee did not reply to my self-invitation to make good their words of honour. So how can Vivian now tell the press with such conviction that cyberspace criticisms are from people without conviction when he himself lacks the conviction or commitment to honour his own words.
The whole system is full of hypocrisy. I doubt Vivian will ever dare to resign and apply for a private sector job to prove me wrong. -
HAPPY wrote:
Before corporatization of TCS, radio and TV were essential government services funded by people out of their taxes. Through the licence fees and taxes assets belonging to TCS were already paid for by people including lands, building, equipment.
I have been wondering is it necessary?
To pay $120 per year for that?
If so, how about those portable radio?
And I am sure lots of units will not tune in to radio right?
So what is the reason to pay radio licence?
The fees should lower by half.
Imagine 1 unit = $120.
How many units in spore?
Lets say 500,000 units = $60,000,000 per year!!!!!!!!
That's alot of money they collected.
However during those years, government talked about corporatization of many essential government services and began to set up various GLCs to take over such services.
TCS was corporatized into the present Mediacorp, and all these assets and infrastructure paid for by the taxpayers/licensees were sold by the government to Mediacorp with the government pocketing all the monies quietly as surpluses for which it claimed as its success.
That is the true reason Mediacorp could not make monies and in fact mediacorp and mediawork had suffered heavy losses due to such pocketing of assets and infrastructure including the prior licence fees instead of using them to provide services to the people. In addition, government has transferred many of its scholars to take up highly inflated positions in the new GLCs. How to pay for all the peanuts to these high flyers who now use their services and air time to serve the government propagandas which resulted in even more losses.
More licence fees naturally will have to be collected just to pay for such double charging on assets by the new entity and all their newly created CEOs and their inflated salaries.
This has been the result of corporatization of many essential government services into GLCs to give their scholars higher salaries and that is the reason why people are being taxed to no end to pay for higher fees and licences because of higher salaries to scholars and assets were charged all over again.
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Robert Sir,Originally posted by robertteh:Our world-class government regards criticism as cause of instability, whining and anti-government.
They try ways and means of countering criticisms like countering of cyberspace criticism to avoid answering to real issues and problems and getting away with high-handed policies and actions.
Kishore Mahbunani said as reported in Today ("World Class we already are" 22.3.2007) that we already reached world class.
I wonder how world class is our government in the way it handles truths and criticisms.
All these decades, high-handedness has always been their way to circumvent answering to questions and or issues, they couldn't quite put their fingers on..
They can't handle THE TRUTHS!!! Why? They are afraid to lose all the power and money they currently hold with iron fists!
Sure, we pull through one fiscal year after another... but who benefits the most economically???
They either change for the better, to reflect real world governance, or eventually be replaced by the hords of foreigners here who will eventually become citizens and are MUCH MORE VOCAL then us homebreds who have become accustomed to Silenced by Fear - "Silence of the Damned" -
The PM has talked about promoting service culture. He has forgotten that when ministries make a mistake and not willing to admit such mistake, it is a poor service.
For example, HDB has been selling its low cost public housing at full market price less a bit of discount claiming that it is subsidising public housing.
When exposed as not giving any subsidy at all but merely a discount the HDB has been tongue-tied and unable to reply to such rebuttal or substantiate that discoun as a subsidy.
Up to now HDB simply kept mum and carries on to insist that it is subsidising its public housing.
Is HDB not a public housing authority set up to provide low cost housing to the citizens?
Is it providing a good service to the taxpayers by acquiring lands using people's monies for public housing and selling the housing at full market price less discount calling it a subsidy?
Can PM Lee understand that to provide good service on the part of the government, ministers must first be prepared to admit mistakes such as wrongful over-charging of HDB flats.
But there is no change to the service culture at all two years after calling for improvement of service culture. It would appear that our service culture being promoted is to use one's power to do as one likes like increasing ministers' salaries and life-long pensions while leaving the majority of citizens to suffer from problems caused by over-taxing and over-charging by the HDB, LTA, JTC etc etc.
To promote our service culture it is first necessary for ministers to change their attitude to admit mistakes and take action to explain their tax increases and accepting feedbacks and making changes to wrong policies.
It would appear that it would continue to use its power to legalistically get what it want for itself to accumulate taxes as surpluses rather than excelling its service to the people.
So far after two years of calling for improvement to our service culture we only see more such behavior with ministers dismissing or explaining away problems instead of solving them as better service to the people.
If our leaders continue with such behaviour will we ever improve our service and claim that it is the world's best as MM Lee is now telling the Canberra University in being conferred the honorary degree last week -
Truths cannot be undone by falsehood. The unfolding of wrongs in NKF is a triumph of truth over falsehood though leaders have not come to full realization that this case is the tip of the falsehood iceberg.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Robert Sir,
All these decades, high-handedness has always been their way to circumvent answering to questions and or issues, they couldn't quite put their fingers on..
They can't handle THE TRUTHS!!! Why? They are afraid to lose all the power and money they currently hold with iron fists!
Sure, we pull through one fiscal year after another... but who benefits the most economically???
They either change for the better, to reflect real world governance, or eventually be replaced by the hords of foreigners here who will eventually become citizens and are MUCH MORE VOCAL then us homebreds who have become accustomed to Silenced by Fear - "Silence of the Damned"
Foreigners are merely being used as a political tool of justification to excuse our many scholars' inability to restructure the economy to the knowledge-based economy.
One foreigner lecture who was teaching in NUS had already spoken out on the current practices here: He said : "In Singapore it is not what you know but who you know that counts" -
According to MM Lee's latest view about the need to keep top talents to protect jobs and homes, (Today's article "A Question of Dollars and Sense, 5.4.2007) justifying his continuous autocratic self-rewards of ministers and top civil servants to the tune of paying them the world's highest salaries, it would obviously be wrong to convict Durai of any irregularities over his peanut S$600 K salaries and the equally obscene bonuses as what Durai and his NKF board of directors did was merely trying to follow MM Lee's own government self-reward scheme to avoid underpaying and losing talents which may cause collapse of jobs in the charity sector.
Has NKF proven that higher salaries above S$100,000.00 will lead to more accountable and open running of KKF?
The benchmarking is selectively targeted in such a way that it is skewed to equate any increments in private sector's salaries to CEO as reflecting ministers' abilities. Where is the connection or relationship between ministers' abilities and private sector's CEO performance?
It is the artful selective benchmarking which will always show that ministers's salaries will forever not be enough even though the rest of the general popultion's salaries (administrative to executive in the 80% band) are dropping duringn the implementation of such self-rewarding scheme from 1970s to 1990s
In other words, in reality, MM Lee has yet to prove that by keeping up of ministers's salaries with increases of CEOs' salaries in the private sector, it will lead to better management or more accountable and open running of the government.
Instead we have only seen abuses of power by NKF CEOs even though higher salaries were paid to NKF CEO. He has not proven that by paying the current NKF CEO less than S$600 K pa NKF will lose talents, lose jobs and collapse.
The long and run of Government, NGOs and GLCs is that such organizations are merely responsible to collect public taxes and spening them. The ministers could simply blame on the people for lack of skills or retraining or globalisation in the event of recessions of large-scale retrenchments going on as seen during the last three recessions. Even today, Singapore's ministers have not yet succeeded in restructuring the economy to value-adding technology-driven model talked about for ages although there is now a small improvements due to world recovery from 2004 that enable the ministers to take credit and assume success.
Have they made the lives of median 80% of population better with higher salaries over the past 20 years as compared with Koreans or Finnists or Swiss. If 80% of population is not doing so well as the ministers or the private sector CEOs can we say our ministers are talented and safeguarding the interests of the people. What is the use of giving them higher salaries just to support more NKF ways of doing things or give them more power such as to carry on with past wrong policies which do not work through total control of the press.
All the powers in the world are corrupted by giving of more monies to the powers and increasing of such powers. -
I think cyber-agents who are sent to counter cyber criticisms have run out of ideas or have simply given up countering all the views about ministers trying to give themselves yet more salary increases after already getting the world's highest salaries for doing some policemen cum bill collector jobs.
Remember how the ministers restructure the economy during the last three recessions - they blamed their failures in economic restructuring to value-adding technology-driven knowledge-based economy on people's lack of skills or upgrading instead of their own rhetorical past neglect in promoting broad-based education, or motivating our own domestic economic resilience. -
Our ministers have been telling the world that they run the country according to rule of law with accountability and good corporate governance.
In practice, how high is their standard, and what do we see - is the standard higher than that practised by Enron and Worldcom? -
MM LKY was dis-ingenious to claim that without high paying salaries, top talents will not be attracted into Government, and that questionable persons will end up being recruited to lead the government, resulting in mis-management of the economy, mis-management of our cash reserves, CPF, and resulting in capital flight, unemployment, and worst of all the scenario of our properties losing values.
These are certainly worrisome events, but are we not already experiencing all these events since 1987, when property values, unemployment, capital flight, reduction in CPF amounts, all having been affected by the boom and bust of 1987, 1997, 2002, and 2005 ?
Were we not paying our Singapore Ministers MILLION DOLLAR SALARY that are already comparable to that paid to CEOs in the Private Sector since at least before the 1997 bust ?
Singaporeans are now subjected to an uncertain future as a result of this Ruling Political Party aka the Government and its symbiotic self in the NTUC accepting the recommendations from the Singapore Employers' and Singapore Manufacturers' Associations - that Singapore Workers should be employed only on short term renewable contracts, resulting in the Employers being given the flexibility to trim and increase workers according to economic conditions.
Are Singaporean Workers better off with such an uncertain employment future ?
This can hardly happen at a worst time, when the Government had also implemented a decision that the HDB will no longer provide any loans for the home purchases but will pass this social contract to the Commercial Banks to conduct these subsidised home purchase with loans on commercial terms.
Are Singaporeans better off today then 20 years ago in 1987 ?
In 1987, Singapore experienced a sudden economic crash, and was floundering for the next five years.
Today, in 2007, Singaporeans are still floundering from the 2002 economic bust up, with many not seeing the income levels that they lost with wage and CPF cuts. Many Singaporeans remain unemployed or under employed, especially those who are over 40s and into their late 50s.
With higher wages to attract talents into politics, is MM LKY certain that it will also not help the Alternative Parties to attract more candidates into politics, with the prize of a Well Paying Ministerial Post ?
It is simply sheer arrogance on MM LKY's part to think that only those chosen by his political party will remain incorruptible, while anyone else joining the other side are of questionable material.
Over the last forty years, there were already three major cases of corruption during his term as Prime Minister, two were Ministers, and one a senior Party Member entrusted to lead a labor union.
Those Ministers were already remunerated with wages that were already above the average of any Singaporean Executive at that time; and yet some Ministers could not overcome their greed but to succumb to the privileges of their high office, and open themselves to the larger lucrative opportunities available to them.
Will more money dull the taste for more of it, or will it simply create an insatiable demand for more - as is happening now ?
Is this no different from those corrupt government raiding the Nation's Reserves to pay themselves better than the citizens whom they lead ?
It will seem that Singapore being reputed to be a law abiding country, will legalize the atrocious scheme of raiding our reserves, so as to make the Singapore Ministers the Highest Paid Ministers in the World.
MM LKY proudly boasted that his government today incur a salary bill of S$42 MILLION for a Gross Domestic Product that is in excess of S$240 BILLION - as if the Gross Domestic Product is the result of the hard work of management of the economy by his Government.
If at all, the S$240 BILLION GDP is the hard work of all Singaporean Workers - including those in the secondary supporting roles as housewives, hawkers, retailers, transport operators, etc.
What have the Politicians and the Government Ministers done to ensure that such results are achieveable ?
All that it ever does is merely to spout out skeletal schemes for the Civil Servants to flesh out, which the Ministers will subsequently sell the concept; leaving the Singaporean Workers to work and see to its successful outcome.
Some of the grand schemes that fell flat include the Swiss Standard of Living for Singaporeans declared by GCT to be achieved by the end of his Term as PM. Unfortunately, nothing much came out of it, while we are definitely saddled with a Swiss Cost of Living, and with the Swiss Standard of Living nowhere in sight. -
Despite all the higher salaries being paid to the ministers, we have not seen true upgrading of the economy as mentioned nor any progress in motivating the ordinary workers with the same opportunity given to the favored few connected to the leaders or identified by their own same feathers for controls and perpetuation of political power.Originally posted by Atobe:MM LKY was dis-ingenious to claim that without high paying salaries, top talents will not be attracted into Government, and that questionable persons will end up being recruited to lead the government, resulting in mis-management of the economy, mis-management of our cash reserves, CPF, and resulting in capital flight, unemployment, and worst of all the scenario of our properties losing values.[/quote]
The whole system is run based on concepts and assumptions which are premised on fears and threats. There are a lot of people out there who could have contributed to raising standards, upgrading accountability and transparency in governance but these people have no opportunity to join the government at even the middle management level.
By excluding practical talents from the whole system, today we still see the same rhetorics about the need for leadership, talents, globalization without any of our ministers or top civil servants being recruited from result-oriented individuals. I remember, many years ago our ministers who were capable were not the scholars but ordinary people without all the degrees like PHD doing a better job because of proven abilities who rose up through the rank and file.
Today the situation is still the same e.g. people who created jobs in the private sector are mostly the ordinary people with knowledge application abilities and passions.
These kinds of result-oriented ministers and top civil servants are who we need to change the concrete-cast scholar-type of administers and ministers.These are certainly worrisome events, but are we not already experiencing all these events since 1987, when property values, unemployment, capital flight, reduction in CPF amounts, all having been affected by the boom and bust of 1987, 1997, 2002, and 2005 ?
I fully agree with you that during the period when our ministers had their salaries raised and benchmarked to the top earners in the selected few in the private sector some time around 1980s, the economy has not really been upgraded to the value-adding technology-driven and knowledge-based economy seen in Korea.
Were we not paying our Singapore Ministers MILLION DOLLAR SALARY that are already comparable to that paid to CEOs in the Private Sector since at least before the 1997 bust ?
Singaporeans are now subjected to an uncertain future as a result of this Ruling Political Party aka the Government and its symbiotic self in the NTUC accepting the recommendations from the Singapore Employers' and Singapore Manufacturers' Associations - that Singapore Workers should be employed only on short term renewable contracts, resulting in the Employers being given the flexibility to trim and increase workers according to economic conditions.
So it has long been proven that world-best salaries contrived by a system of NKF self-reward has not worked as planned or conceptualized by assumptions.
The ministers owe it to the people now to prove that by helping themselves to increasing their own salaries from public fund, they have indeed proven they were worth such salaries.
[quote]Are Singaporean Workers better off with such an uncertain employment future ?
This can hardly happen at a worst time, when the Government had also implemented a decision that the HDB will no longer provide any loans for the home purchases but will pass this social contract to the Commercial Banks to conduct these subsidised home purchase with loans on commercial terms.
Are Singaporeans better off today then 20 years ago in 1987 ?
In 1987, Singapore experienced a sudden economic crash, and was floundering for the next five years.
Today, in 2007, Singaporeans are still floundering from the 2002 economic bust up, with many not seeing the income levels that they lost with wage and CPF cuts. Many Singaporeans remain unemployed or under employed, especially those who are over 40s and into their late 50s.
With higher wages to attract talents into politics, is MM LKY certain that it will also not help the Alternative Parties to attract more candidates into politics, with the prize of a Well Paying Ministerial Post ?
It is simply sheer arrogance on MM LKY's part to think that only those chosen by his political party will remain incorruptible, while anyone else joining the other side are of questionable material.
Over the last forty years, there were already three major cases of corruption during his term as Prime Minister, two were Ministers, and one a senior Party Member entrusted to lead a labor union.
Those Ministers were already remunerated with wages that were already above the average of any Singaporean Executive at that time; and yet some Ministers could not overcome their greed but to succumb to the privileges of their high office, and open themselves to the larger lucrative opportunities available to them.
Will more money dull the taste for more of it, or will it simply create an insatiable demand for more - as is happening now ?
Is this no different from those corrupt government raiding the Nation's Reserves to pay themselves better than the citizens whom they lead ?
It will seem that Singapore being reputed to be a law abiding country, will legalize the atrocious scheme of raiding our reserves, so as to make the Singapore Ministers the Highest Paid Ministers in the World.
MM LKY proudly boasted that his government today incur a salary bill of S$42 MILLION for a Gross Domestic Product that is in excess of S$240 BILLION - as if the Gross Domestic Product is the result of the hard work of management of the economy by his Government.
If at all, the S$240 BILLION GDP is the hard work of all Singaporean Workers - including those in the secondary supporting roles as housewives, hawkers, retailers, transport operators, etc.
What have the Politicians and the Government Ministers done to ensure that such results are achieveable ?
All that it ever does is merely to spout out skeletal schemes for the Civil Servants to flesh out, which the Ministers will subsequently sell the concept; leaving the Singaporean Workers to work and see to its successful outcome.
Some of the grand schemes that fell flat include the Swiss Standard of Living for Singaporeans declared by GCT to be achieved by the end of his Term as PM. Unfortunately, nothing much came out of it, while we are definitely saddled with a Swiss Cost of Living, and with the Swiss Standard of Living nowhere in sight.
Apart from ad hoc incentivising of pro-foreign investment and employment policies, there has been a lamentable lack of real solution for Singapore to catch up with the better-run countries like Korea which thrives on knowledge application, technology start-ups and motivation of the masses. -
or at least the NZ are less corrupted given that their salaries are a fraction from oursOriginally posted by robertteh:Despite all the higher salaries being paid to the ministers, we have not seen willingness or attempts being made to encourage ordinary workers with equal opportunity given to the favored few identified by their own same feathers for controls and perpetuation of political power- the real solution for Singapore to catch up with the better-run countries like Korea which thrives on knowledge application, technology start-ups and motivation of the masses.
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The day the average Singaporeans are getting the level playing field and fairer rewards without all the profiteering by HDB and LTA and over-charging of utilities etc, as the average joes in NZealand are getting that is the day they will stop complaining so much and that is the day they will support their ministers full heartedly in getting the highest benchmarked pays.Originally posted by LinYu:or at least the NZ are less corrupted given that their salaries are a fraction from ours -
MM Lee has always assured the citizens that he wanted to leave behind a more sustainable system or legacy (probably to justify his top-down autocracy) but the more we look at his latest utterances about his own self-importance and leadership, he would have to perpetually clinging on to power to get more of his ways which represents political control, self-rewards, more monies for himself and his own connections. All these are the opposites of people's expectations and contradicted his original plans to leave a good legacy badly.
Deng Xiao Peng of China has the true leadership quality to leave behind a system which now benefits China. It is a collective shouldering of tasks and responsibility and sharing of power with all people down the hierarchy and willingness to answer for mistakes which will leave such a sustainable legacy.
The worse is after all these years of talk about upgrading the economy, he has clearly failed to sustain it to one which is capable of survival like the Koreans have been doing.
He has to swallow his pride by reversing his earlier "over my dead body" veto of setting up a casino here showing that he has run out of ideas and that confirms he has really lost confidence of his so-called leadership system which finally requires displacements of disenchanted lost sons and daughters with angmos to keep something going. -
[quote]Originally posted by robertteh:
MM Lee has always assured the citizens that he wanted to leave behind a more sustainable system or legacy (probably to justify his top-down autocracy) but the more we look at his latest utterances about his own self-importance and leadership, he would have to perpetually clinging on to power to get more of his ways which represents political control, self-rewards, more monies for himself and his own connections. All these are the opposites of people's expectations and contradicted his original plans to leave a good legacy badly.
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assured? more like threaten -
countdowntogst wrote:
The ministers should have got their mouths full or whatever they ever wanted when they paid themselves higher salaries than the Japanese counterparts or US President Bush all of whom are managing larger economies with less pro-foreign investments and employment policies which only were narrowly aimed at promoting their own success while discriminating against their own citizens.
How to reply when their mouth and hands are stuff up with Money ?
No hands to type and no mouth to speak loh.
So it is a case of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. When any country is to be run based on one-man ideas and his concepts and assumptions, it will lead to self-centredness. Now what we are witnessing is money is not enough even when they are paid the world's highest salaries to do bill collector and policing jobs. -
I remember vaguely someone in this forum telling me to be thankful that our property prices are so high now, that we are all rich people (ha! paper rich, with real debts)Originally posted by robertteh:For example, HDB has been selling its low cost public housing at full market price less a bit of discount claiming that it is subsidising public housing.
When exposed as not giving any subsidy at all but merely a discount the HDB has been tongue-tied and unable to reply to such rebuttal or substantiate that discoun as a subsidy.
Up to now HDB simply kept mum and carries on to insist that it is subsidising its public housing.
Is HDB not a public housing authority set up to provide low cost housing to the citizens?
Is it providing a good service to the taxpayers by acquiring lands using people's monies for public housing and selling the housing at full market price less discount calling it a subsidy?
1 of the guesses I made on pricing of HDB is that the private housing sector actually uses the public housing sector as a benchmark of their prices. Therefore, the govt knows that to ensure the private sector's prices remain high, the public sector housing cannot be cheap.
The 2nd guess I am making is that the HDB prices are used for our govt to boast to the entire world that the average singaporean has asset worth > 200+k. A statistic to tell the world that they are doing a good job, and every Singaporean has a lot of 'money' -
Minister Lui Tuck Yew has announced 3 months ago that government will surreptitiously using disguised identity counter or debunk cyber criticisms.
Has Minister Lui Tuck Yew really succeeded in countering the cyber criticisms especially in respect of another round of ministerial salary increases while wages of ordinary workers and even many CEOs in the private sector are still dropping after the last recessions.
But one thing seems to be for certain, once this furore is over the agents will come and post again to talk about their past 40 years of achievements the only topic they know how to post. -
I wonder the reason for HDB to be worried about the 250 5 room flat that canot be sold until they had to be passed on to the private agencies?Originally posted by robertteh:The PM has talked about promoting service culture. He has forgotten that when ministries make a mistake and not willing to admit such mistake, it is a poor service.
For example, HDB has been selling its low cost public housing at full market price less a bit of discount claiming that it is subsidising public housing.
When exposed as not giving any subsidy at all but merely a discount the HDB has been tongue-tied and unable to reply to such rebuttal or substantiate that discoun as a subsidy.
Up to now HDB simply kept mum and carries on to insist that it is subsidising its public housing.
Is HDB not a public housing authority set up to provide low cost housing to the citizens?
Is it providing a good service to the taxpayers by acquiring lands using people's monies for public housing and selling the housing at full market price less discount calling it a subsidy?
Can PM Lee understand that to provide good service on the part of the government, ministers must first be prepared to admit mistakes such as wrongful over-charging of HDB flats.
But there is no change to the service culture at all two years after calling for improvement of service culture. It would appear that our service culture being promoted is to use one's power to do as one likes like increasing ministers' salaries and life-long pensions while leaving the majority of citizens to suffer from problems caused by over-taxing and over-charging by the HDB, LTA, JTC etc etc.
To promote our service culture it is first necessary for ministers to change their attitude to admit mistakes and take action to explain their tax increases and accepting feedbacks and making changes to wrong policies.
It would appear that it would continue to use its power to legalistically get what it want for itself to accumulate taxes as surpluses rather than excelling its service to the people.
So far after two years of calling for improvement to our service culture we only see more such behavior with ministers dismissing or explaining away problems instead of solving them as better service to the people.
If our leaders continue with such behaviour will we ever improve our service and claim that it is the world's best as MM Lee is now telling the Canberra University in being conferred the honorary degree last week
How long had these 250 5 room flat left not sold already? -
Why we can never win them in court because of money, they use our own tax payer money against us. Just like Durai, using the donation funds use in court against those who are against him.
They are holding billion or zillion dollor tax, fines and any other surplus collected. Imagine average person only earn thousand, how can one go against them? One can win them just one time with money used up but they can win us million time without losing a single pay. Don't forget, his papa is a lawyer, his papa has win in court almost without losing a single battle. He has confiscated loser house, money and any valuable assets he can extract whatever he can find from them until they bankrupt. Plus, he has alot of staff/helper to help him find any evidence against his opponents. -
Each HDB officer is worth 45 months of retrenchment benefit the highest in the market so far if not the world.Originally posted by will4:I wonder the reason for HDB to be worried about the 250 5 room flat that canot be sold until they had to be passed on to the private agencies?
How long had these 250 5 room flat left not sold already?
After getting 45 months of salaries from the tax payers the minister will still give them another job somewhere thereby collecting double salaries.
How lucky are our ministers and civil servants. When anyone in the private sector touches a big sweep ticket they are also entitled to strike a big sweep first prize.
Ministers who retired and collected retirement packages still can stay on to hold other posts to earn double or triple salaries.
Can anyone else in the whole wide world do the same. Are ministers incorruptible after so much pay increases to world's highest. Will they ask for more like close to bill gate or li ka shing?
Whatever happens, HDB cannot lose even if discount is not a subsidy it will still say it is a subsidy. -
Since when did the criminal ever harbour any thoughts of leaving behind any sustainable legacy? He's just a disillusioned imbecile whose reputation thrives on building up his cult status like Kim Jung Il. In truth, he's just an opportunist with the intellect of a 2nd rate autocrat who happened to have profitted mostly through circumstances beyond his control.Originally posted by robertteh:MM Lee has always assured the citizens that he wanted to leave behind a more sustainable system or legacy (probably to justify his top-down autocracy) but the more we look at his latest utterances about his own self-importance and leadership, he would have to perpetually clinging on to power to get more of his ways which represents political control, self-rewards, more monies for himself and his own connections. All these are the opposites of people's expectations and contradicted his original plans to leave a good legacy badly.
Deng Xiao Peng of China has the true leadership quality to leave behind a system which now benefits China. It is a collective shouldering of tasks and responsibility and sharing of power with all people down the hierarchy and willingness to answer for mistakes which will leave such a sustainable legacy.
The worse is after all these years of talk about upgrading the economy, he has clearly failed to sustain it to one which is capable of survival like the Koreans have been doing.
He has to swallow his pride by reversing his earlier "over my dead body" veto of setting up a casino here showing that he has run out of ideas and that confirms he has really lost confidence of his so-called leadership system which finally requires displacements of disenchanted lost sons and daughters with angmos to keep something going.
Looking at other autocrats out there, I'd say - for better or worse - Hitler and Deng are arguably the two most prominent autocrats of the 20th Century to have left legacies that are in a league of their own. Certainly, their economic legacies are beyond question - and the fact their policies (think about how Hitler transformed an inflation-saddled German economy to one that was second only to that of the US at the outbreak of WWII in the span of 6 years and how Deng has transformed PRC's economy by increasing an average person's income by a hundred times between 1981 and 1997) are still adopted widely by autocratic regimes elsewhere today say a lot about them. -
There has been a rising trend of Sporean selling or renting their HDB n boughtOriginally posted by robertteh:Each HDB officer is worth 45 months of retrenchment benefit the highest in the market so far if not the world.
After getting 45 months of salaries from the tax payers the minister will still give them another job somewhere thereby collecting double salaries.
How lucky are our ministers and civil servants. When anyone in the private sector touches a big sweep ticket they are also entitled to strike a big sweep first prize.
Ministers who retired and collected retirement packages still can stay on to hold other posts to earn double or triple salaries.
Can anyone else in the whole wide world do the same. Are ministers incorruptible after so much pay increases to world's highest. Will they ask for more like close to bill gate or li ka shing?
Whatever happens, HDB cannot lose even if discount is not a subsidy it will still say it is a subsidy.
houses across in neighbouring Malaysia. Will this cause a worry to the govt? -
Water will find its own level. In a bubble, everyone floats and enjoy good sensation of levitation.Originally posted by will4:There has been a rising trend of Sporean selling or renting their HDB n bought
houses across in neighbouring Malaysia. Will this cause a worry to the govt?