Ho Ching should step down from Temasek Holdings
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Our electoral system similar to UK? FYI, our electoral system has evolve throughout the year, to a form which would perpetuate the existence of the current dominant party. Amongst the other media tools which are left to their disposal to discredit other parties.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:How ignorant can you be? Our electoral system is similar to that in the UK. In the last general election in 2005, Labour took power with just 35% of the votes and less than half of all eligible voters actually voted. Does that take away the legitimacy of the Labour Party to rule? Does that mean the UK is a third world country?
Our electoral system having been inherited from the Brits has stood the test of time. 66% of the votes is a big majority...you just choose to look at the glass as a third empty.
Now get back to the topic
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just to ask? how can we compare to UK GOV when they have dole system and we have CPF? 66% because 66% have not done upgrading...Originally posted by oxford mushroom:How ignorant can you be? Our electoral system is similar to that in the UK. In the last general election in 2005, Labour took power with just 35% of the votes and less than half of all eligible voters actually voted. Does that take away the legitimacy of the Labour Party to rule? Does that mean the UK is a third world country?
Our electoral system having been inherited from the Brits has stood the test of time. 66% of the votes is a big majority...you just choose to look at the glass as a third empty.
Now get back to the topic
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Hear Hear!
It seems that only those Singaporeans graduating from Oxbridge has the capacity to spite those whom they cannot agree with such vicious disrespect.
You have learnt well from your Mentor, who can so easily intolerant and aggravated that he will turn vicious towards those who dare to stand up to challenge him.
Unfortunately, your views are nothing new, as the same expression of many who have said the same in the business world - and perhaps you maybe nothing more then a plagiarist - modifying the same that was written with such an articulate style and released to the media by the SDP.
[b]Ho Ching must step down as head of Temasek.
Where is the originality or honesty of thought from you ?
If you had quoted the piece - in your usual cut and paste manner - followed with your own commentary, perhaps you are entitled to some of the acolade that came out of sheer surprise to your supposed change.
Seriously, what has the Singapore Government aka the Ruling Party done for Singaporeans and Singapore that is worthy of respect ?
Singapore is what it is today - NOT the result of the efforts of the Government nor the Ruling Party - but the sacrifices and tolerance of the Singapore Citizens - who placed their trust in LKY and his Team.
Unfortunately, after 47 years of continuous monopolistic rule, power has got into the heads of LKY and his current appointees - after removing his original Team from his side.
Singapore's future remains more precarious today then before independence.
Externally, after so many years in ASEAN, what has this Government done to secure our future with our neighbors within ASEAN ?
We have a hopeless relationship with our natural economic hinterland in Malaysia; briliantly insulted the Philippines; turned a warm relationship with Suharto's Indonesia into present day tension by harboring ill gotten gains of the Rich and Wealthy Indonesian and refusing an extradition treaty; messed up our relations with Thailand through sheer ambitios economic imperialism; even our warm relationship with Myanmar has become an embarrassing liability after the Military Junta refused to listen to further advise from a fellow hardline Government.
Even Modern China has turned skeptical to the supposed altruistic help extended by the Singapore Government, and looked at Temasek's attempt - to buy a stake in the Bank of China - as nothing more then Economic Imperialism.
Internally, how certain are you that this Singapore Government aka the Ruling Party will continue to back your boastful claims that Singaporeans are fortunate that we do not have to be like the Filipinas working as maid overseas, or our menfolk having to work overseas to make a living to support our families at home ?
At present, the Government has succumbed to forces of globalisation without any defensive effort to protect Singaporeans, but have instead opened the floodgates to allow more foreigners into Singapore claiming that they will create more jobs for Singaporeans.
In the present open policy towards foreign talents, for every foreign expatriate that is employed, this person employed in this position will almost automatically bring other cronies along into Singapore.
Many Singaporeans - who have been displaced in the last economic downturn in 2002 - and who are in their 40s and 50s - remain unemployed; and despite their most ardent effort many in these age groups are jobless not by choice but by the present changed circumstances.
Most of these white-collared Singaporeans - and some blue collared ones too - have used their retrenchment benefits with new start-ups in small enterprises, with most of them entering the Food and Beverage field.
After 45 over years of continuous monopolistic rule, Singaporeans are continuously milked off their savings through a slew of financial charges executed by different Government Agencies and Government Linked Companies.
Wealth flow from the Citizen's bank account to the State Treasury by way of taxes that are artificially created to take Private Wealth at every step and every turn of economic consumption and economic activity.
The wealth of the nation has been transferred from the individual Citizens into the State Treasury.
While the State Treasury continue to grow, the Singapore Citizens savings continue to shrink, to the extent that the Singapore Citizen cannot even look after themselves in their old age.
Despite the wealth that the State has extracted from Singaporeans, what has the State planned for Singaporean that will not further extract further sums of remaining monies from the Private Citizens ?
Under the guise of no welfare - but called Workfare - the Citizens have to pay in order to get some back from Workfare.
Medical and Health Care require the Citizens to contribute to Medisave and Medishield. Unfortunately, the money transferred into these funds will benefit the Authorities through investments that generate revenue; while the Citizens who are Account Holders have limited use from these Funds that are not allowed to pay for the total medical bill.
With all the wealth robbed from the Citizens, the Government will not contribute to help the Aged, but will demand that the Citizens continue to look after their own Aged.
Education remains the Citizens' responsibility, when Polytechnic Diploma are not accepted by our own local Universities, while the same Diploma will gain entries in foreign universities that will even grant exemptions and shorten term.
Is there any Government Policies - past and present - that deserve praise, when all the policies have removed the POLITICAL RIGHTS of Singaporeans ?
If you are brave enough to plagiarise this piece from the SDP - that was already published since OCTOBER 2006, why are you not brave enough to see the reality of Singapore as it is ?
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Hear Hear!Originally posted by maurizio13:Our electoral system similar to UK? FYI, our electoral system has evolve throughout the year, to a form which would perpetuate the existence of the current dominant party. Amongst the other media tools which are left to their disposal to discredit other parties. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Are you a comedian genious, or something ?
How ignorant can you be? Our electoral system is similar to that in the UK. In the last general election in 2005, Labour took power with just 35% of the votes and less than half of all eligible voters actually voted. Does that take away the legitimacy of the Labour Party to rule? Does that mean the UK is a third world country?
Our electoral system having been inherited from the Brits has stood the test of time. 66% of the votes is a big majority...you just choose to look at the glass as a third empty.
Now get back to the topic
You have conveniently left out the fact that in the UK, there were 57 Political Parties that participated in the UK Election 2005.
Compared to the restrictive Singapore's political environment, the Political Parties in UK enjoy far greater liberties and media accessibilities to reach out to the 27,110,727 participating in the election - from a UK population of 60,209,500.
This 27,110,727 eligible voters form 45 per cent participation of the UK population.
Is it not a shame that with a population of only 4,500,000 - Singapore only saw a participation from only 1,222,884 actual voters - which is only 27 per cent participation of the population ?
Is it not a bigger embarrassment that even with total control of the broadcast and print media, as well as gerrymeandering with political boundaries, and use of State facilities - the incumbent Ruling Party in Singapore could only manage 35% of the votes; while Labor in UK took 32.3% of the votes in a far more liberal political environment ?
Are you comparing the unbranded and heavily black spotted local banana with the more carefully selected larger banana marketed by Dole ? -
That will cause P*P to split between GCK and LHL line. Which will happen sooner or later if not between GCK and LHL then someone else and the dynasty.Originally posted by iveco:Philip Yeo, anyone?
Singapore and Singaporeans can only benefit. -
Labour took 35% of the votes which resulted in 356 seats out of the 646 seats available. In Singapore, opposition won 34% of the vote, but only have 2 seats of the 84 seats available. What does this show? Our electoral system is restructured to maintain perpetual dominance. In UK it's 1 seat per constituency. First world nation refers to capitalistic democracy. Singapore is capitalistic but not democratic.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:How ignorant can you be? Our electoral system is similar to that in the UK. In the last general election in 2005, Labour took power with just 35% of the votes and less than half of all eligible voters actually voted. Does that take away the legitimacy of the Labour Party to rule? Does that mean the UK is a third world country?
Our electoral system having been inherited from the Brits has stood the test of time. 66% of the votes is a big majority...you just choose to look at the glass as a third empty.
Now get back to the topic
Less than half of eligible voters voting???
I think your boss gave you disinformation, either that or you trying to con some naive Singaporeans again. Turnout was 61.3%, please do your research and some reading before making a fool of yourself. This is just an advice, not to ridicule you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/constituencies/default.stm
Yah, it has stood the test of time through evolution and unfair manipulation. So long as PAP stays in power, I guess that would justify your logic of standing the test of time. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Hear Hear!
Are you a comedian genious, or something ?
You have conveniently left out the fact that in the UK, there were [b]57 Political Parties that participated in the UK Election 2005.
Compared to the restrictive Singapore's political environment, the Political Parties in UK enjoy far greater liberties and media accessibilities to reach out to the 27,110,727 participating in the election - from a UK population of 60,209,500.
This 27,110,727 eligible voters form 45 per cent participation of the UK population.
Is it not a shame that with a population of only 4,500,000 - Singapore only saw a participation from only 1,222,884 actual voters - which is only 27 per cent participation of the population ?
Is it not a bigger embarrassment that even with total control of the broadcast and print media, as well as gerrymeandering with political boundaries, and use of State facilities - the incumbent Ruling Party in Singapore could only manage 35% of the votes; while Labor in UK took 32.3% of the votes in a far more liberal political environment ?
Are you comparing the unbranded and heavily black spotted local banana with the more carefully selected larger banana marketed by Dole ?
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Say bye to your million dollars..Originally posted by allentyb:If Ho ching was to step down from temasek holding, I WILL WIN TOTO, AH
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Whew....I hate reading thru all this stuffs that needs so much brain juice.
So here's my say.
Oxford, your angmoh too powderful. Chill it okay. Its not easy for folks still living in Singapore or wanting to live in Singapore to see or voice out the wrongs. We have to be tolerant to the environment we still hope to live in.
Andrew, Ho Ching need to step down. The sad part about it, is that she is a member of the Lee Dynasty. And she might want to, but cannot due to some forces which you might not have known. And Yes. She is out of her league in managing Temasek Holdings.
I forgot who....but here goes. Ho Ching isnt a true blue Singaporean...so it wasnt the local talent bleeding Singapore dry.
And until Old Mr Lee dies, Singapore will not break up politically. Everyone of us, including the young, are in actual fact doing it out of respect for the old man.
And most of us already anticipated the major spilt and hopefully the newer generations of leaders to emerge soon after his death. I estimate about 3 years of turmoil before everythings goes back on track again after his death. plans are already in place, we can only watch when it unfolds. -
let us pray the old man dies soonOriginally posted by viciouskitty74:Whew....I hate reading thru all this stuffs that needs so much brain juice.
So here's my say.
Oxford, your angmoh too powderful. Chill it okay. Its not easy for folks still living in Singapore or wanting to live in Singapore to see or voice out the wrongs. We have to be tolerant to the environment we still hope to live in.
Andrew, Ho Ching need to step down. The sad part about it, is that she is a member of the Lee Dynasty. And she might want to, but cannot due to some forces which you might not have known. And Yes. She is out of her league in managing Temasek Holdings.
I forgot who....but here goes. Ho Ching isnt a true blue Singaporean...so it wasnt the local talent bleeding Singapore dry.
And until Old Mr Lee dies, Singapore will not break up politically. Everyone of us, including the young, are in actual fact doing it out of respect for the old man.
And most of us already anticipated the major spilt and hopefully the newer generations of leaders to emerge soon after his death. I estimate about 3 years of turmoil before everythings goes back on track again after his death. plans are already in place, we can only watch when it unfolds.
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Yah....people are getting impatient and biting at each other's neck.Originally posted by hisoka:let us pray the old man dies soon -
unfortunately, i think there will be continuity, firstly, with LHL, and then his lackeys. i think sgreans needs to endure another 5 to 10 years of post-LKY leadership style era bfore things change for the better or worse. tt guy has it all figure out...only external and devine intervention can derail his plan.
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I think likewise!!!Originally posted by weiqimun:unfortunately, i think there will be continuity, firstly, with LHL, and then his lackeys. i think sgreans needs to endure another 5 to 10 years of post-LKY leadership style era bfore things change for the better or worse. tt guy has it all figure out...only external and devine intervention can derail his plan.
I hope TW 's history will repeat here soon!!!!but of course by then with a better gov not like Ah Bian taking over the throne. -
Things will only change with the end of the dynasty.
Lets just hope the winds of change arrive soon -
You are not afraid that your prayer will come and haunt you and your family?Originally posted by hisoka:let us pray the old man dies soon -
sadly, i don't really think much would change. Most
singaporeans are either too afraid to speak out or they are completely apathetic to what is going on around them. In fact, I am very worried if someone else take control of singapore and make the current regime worse than what it is now. Do you think when that happens, singaporeans will march to the streets for peaceful protests given the kind of environment and system we are brought up in?
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Yup,u r right!!!!!Originally posted by circleofwinter:sadly, i don't really think much would change. Most
singaporeans are either too afraid to speak out or they are completely apathetic to what is going on around them. In fact, I am very worried if someone else take control of singapore and make the current regime worse than what it is now. Do you think when that happens, singaporeans will march to the streets for peaceful protests given the kind of environment and system we are brought up in?
i just don't see that happening
I will be very delighted if u r representing PAP's view!!!! -
The system that will endure will be : collective leadership with good ideas and practical solutions supported by all in the cabinet with accountability and transparency formulated in due processes.
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huh? if there were to be huanting it won't be on me first anyway. my comment would be pretty far down the lineOriginally posted by Gazelle:You are not afraid that your prayer will come and haunt you and your family? -
How come Indonesia, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Bangkok even with all its current troubles is doing fine and nobody is protesting in the streets without LKY as their emperor? Huh? Huh?Originally posted by Gazelle:You are not afraid that your prayer will come and haunt you and your family?
Unlike Singaporeans, they can protest in the streets anytime they want, they can complain in their press anytime they want and they can start TV stations and radio stations and newspapers anytime they want...
but Singapore? hahahaha the minute they let the opposition alone LKY and his ministers will be kicked out and you tell me Sgp cannot survive without the old man?
Wow you are are brain washed like those North Koreans that cannot imagine life without their "Dear Emperor" -
If u speak up in wat u believe ,u will not be afraided of ppls knocking at yr door at wee hours!!!Originally posted by Gazelle:You are not afraid that your prayer will come and haunt you and your family?
Only ppls with bad Karma will b afriaded he will come n haunt u n yr family!!!
But I think during this festive period ,it is not 9 to curse human beings,it will do no good to U!!!!! -
If the old man dies, sure, many will cry but at least one million will rejoice! Just like when Marcos died and when Suharto dies...
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In 2008, i think TW will be on the route to it!!!!Originally posted by robertteh:The system that will endure will be : collective leadership with good ideas and practical solutions supported by all in the cabinet with accountability and transparency formulated in due processes.
We will be in TW and say good by Singapore!!!! let PRC taking over!!!! -
Same as in TW, when this Ah Bian die, mostl of us here will play fire crackers in TW!!!Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:If the old man dies, sure, many will cry but at least one million will rejoice! Just like when Marcos died and when Suharto dies...
If he is an honorable person, nobody will rejoice.