There's Been Enough Incidents, STOP Debating!
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hmmm soon out of the later they will do it... Don't worry
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Termination of train services is bullcrap. Works can be carried out at night to solve that problem. If we can close major roads for roadworks, i dont see why we cant do the same for our rail system.
All maintain work start 0100hr and must end by 0430hrs....... 4.5hrs to check, repair, clean the rail for the whole 90+KM of route.......
SMRT at peak hour, send about 1600+ person per train to and from point A-B...... you think want shut down mean shut down
Any delay of train service by 20+min...... SMRT with have to explain to LTA (kena Fine)....... more that 30min.... explain to Minister of Transportation (CEO kena wash).
Before you understand the problem...... don't give 'easy solution'...... I work for SMRT for 10 bloody years. I know what i'm talkin about......
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Feedback your suggestion to SMRT. See what happens.Originally posted by hloc:No..... those A*shole who 'share' their music on their loudspeaker really really PISSES me off...... the $$$ will be put to good use..... like saving some other A*shole who can't take care of themselve and don't understand ''NOT to step over the yellow line''....... -
Im fine with whether they install glass panels or not, but what i dont like is that doesn't SMRT earn more than enough profits? Giving new suggestions or wanting to add new stuffs just to improve their standards & they immediately hint to rise the fare.
They think it's all the rich people who's taking public transport arh -
Panels like that prevent access to the track. Simple.Originally posted by CKeer:Ok, let me first start by asking you what kind of glass panel are u referring to? Glass panels like those of underground stations or those build a feet apart from one another, leaving space for the door opening?
Either of those requires lots and lots of money. On top of that, who will guarantee that glass panel would stop accidents like those from happening?
Carried out at night? How many train stations are there in Singapore? Those that are not underground. You'll need lots of manpower and on top of that, the equipments.
Why do incidents like those that happened recently doesn't appear like, 10 years ago?
I've taken train during peak hours and i've a place to stand that is far away from the yellow line. Those that squeezed in front are the kiasu ones, waiting to seize the opportunity to grab a seat. The smarter ones would have stepped back.
Think harder.
Cheers.
C.K
there is limited room ''far away from the yellow line''. All it takes is 1 shove for 3 or 4 people to fall onto the tracks during peak hours.
While i agree that putting up barriers will not stop people who want to die from committing suicide, such barriers will elimiate suicide through rash means.
Less suicide options means more time to cool off and the to be victim might actually change his mind.
HDB block sucide might seem daunting due to its nature, the height and everything.
Since we are unable to eliminate the reasons why people want to kill themselves, we do the next best thing. Eliminate the suicide options.
And not just sit back and watch stressed individuals kill themselves.
Train service disruption is temporary. Prevention is permanent.
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Yes indeed, you have quite a point there; why weren't there any incidences in the early 80s?? Maybe, people were well making a good living and then life was more precious??? Unlike now, where a lot of people are living hand-to-mouth and then some are basically crawling along and can barely put food on their tables?Originally posted by pwnz0r:All I can say it is odd that the MRT has been in service since the 80's and these incidents have only occured in more recent times. Perhaps the solution is beyond these barrier panels and the onus should be passenger's own caution.
However, it is a ridiculous notion that the cost of barrier panels to be borne by the passengers. In every year the SMRT makes a profit, do they redistribute this surplus back to passengers? A company, much less a GLC should be not guaranteed a profit year-on-year. It is ridiculous to put the consumers in a position to guarantee profits for these GLCs. Any cost, especially that towards safety, should be borne wholly and soley by SMRT.
They already made substanial retained earnings over the years. That should more than cover the cost of the panels.
Could it be so??? And if so... WHY???
The thought of them ever distributing surpluses back to us is simply HILARIOUS! Everyone who depends upon public transport and MRT, go into every New Year with bated breaths, hoping they don't hike the fares again too soon, too high!!
Now because of increased suicide cases, they wanna pass the buck to commuters. What can I say? We're run by a gov that uses 'Instant Noodles' solutions and policies!!
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they shortsighted and refuse to understand social problems.
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With or without barriers, there are still a lot of ways of committing suicide.
Jumping down, cutting themselves, breaking rules, you name it, they know it, they do it.
Nothing will stop them.
It's all about your personal responsibility.
Now, on to the accidents.
Please be reminded that Singapore is a tropical country, we have our fair share of wet weathers during certain times of the year. Although there are shelters, they are only effective without the winds blowing.
With the winds blowing, the rain may splash in.
On rainy days, it's expected that people will bring umbrellas in. This will again wet the floors. Those who aren't careful can slip and fall into the tracks. While rare, I have seen it ALMOST happened with my own eyes. Thankfully, the person did not fall into the tracks and the train was due to arrive 5 minutes later.
Barriers can effectively prevent that, but when costs rise, who are we going to blame?
We want better protection, yet no payment. The world doesn't go spinning this way. -
How much time does an SMRT/SBS Transit team has to carry out maintainence works?Originally posted by OO_OO_OO:Maintenace isnt a good reason. If we can afford all the luxuries now, is it so difficult to clean a simple glass pannel?
Termination of train services is bullcrap. Works can be carried out at night to solve that problem. If we can close major roads for roadworks, i dont see why we cant do the same for our rail system.
And if you've taken a train before, you'll know that there is close to no standing room during peak hours. One doesnt need to be sick for an accident to happen.
try harder
The answer is not much. Stations close around midnight everyday, and works will later. All maintainence works have to end by 4.30am, before they are scheduled for tomorrow.
With so many things to do, yet so little time, it isn't crap.
Also, we don't shut down all lanes in a major road for road works, only part of the lanes are shut down. Major roads are shut down during events and re-directed. -
Lives lost are not a concern of the SMRT. They are still making bucket loads of money with the delay. Besides, they monopolize the whole transport system. People have zero alternative and there will never be any alternative because rights will never be granted.
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I would beg to differ.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Yes indeed, you have quite a point there; why weren't there any incidences in the early 80s?? Maybe, people were well making a good living and then life was more precious??? Unlike now, where a lot of people are living hand-to-mouth and then some are basically crawling along and can barely put food on their tables?
Could it be so??? And if so... WHY???
I'm born in the late 80s, so I can't judge whatever that happens before me.
In the 90s and up till now, it's another case. During the wet periods in Singapore, I have seen quite a few cases of near accidents. Since nothing has happened, nothing has been done.
It's only last year and this year, that a spate of accidents and suicides happen. I don't know what this indicates, it's either Singaporeans are really getting wealthier and not exercising more and becoming clumsy, or we are doing all these as a form of silent protests. -
Sillyporeans will bear all the costs lah,talk so much 4 wat!!!It is all our fault 2 commit suicide!!!!
Let them suck till we dried loh!!!!! -
wait till we have 6.5 million.
People would be entering MRT to queue up to commit sucide -
measure once, cut twice
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There are fatal accidents/suicides everyday on the tokyo train systems and still there are no barriers. Infact just 2 weeks ago a lady tried to kill herself by running onto the tracks and the policeman that tried to stop her got killed instead while all she had was a broken back.
Safety is a personal responsibility. Helping each other out is a civic duty. -
First of all Singapore don't understand of Stand behind the yellow line. i think they are either retarded or just plain stupid. Erecting barrier will not stop ppl from jumping down the track. It will only add more cost. It just that how we are educated in Singapore. There are a batch of selfish and irresponsible ppl in our society. They only think of themselves. Also ppl trying to be like the case where ppl got like 500k becos of some MRT jumping case. Seriously if ppl all stand behind the yellow line, nothing will happen.
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To those half-bred idiots who jostle and push when the train comes, just stand and stay behind the bloody line. If you are sick, sit down. And for the love of God, pushing the chap in front will not get you anywhere.
Secondly, if you don't let the people out, you are NOT getting in. Use your brains for fark's sake.Same goes for "concert-goers", if you cannot afford a pair of headphones or earphones, throw the damned phone away because you are just a pretentious pain in the arse that thinks your self-esteem will increase by letting others know how emo and how mashed up your value system is. -
Yes indeed, you have quite a point there; why weren't there any incidences in the early 80s?? Maybe, people were well making a good living and then life was more precious??? Unlike now, where a lot of people are living hand-to-mouth and then some are basically crawling along and can barely put food on their tables?
The reason no ''death'' was reported in the 80s is there was a clamp down on news about SMRT death..... 1st death happen in Bishan in the late 80s. Woman walk into the tunnel..... kept quite because the govt or SMRT scare more copycat....... therefore, the press were told not to put such death on the main page...... nowadays, with handphones and internet..... you can't 'cover' such matters anymore..... thats why it seems like alot of ppl are dying.
Could it be so??? And if so... WHY???Maybe, people were well making a good living and then life was more precious???
I don't remember my family ''making good living'' in the 80s. We just make do. Perhars not big screen TV, no big house, no cars loan or credit cards.... means less stress. Having food ont the table and a 20'' TV is good enough when I'm a kid..... -
How much money did the govt spend to get a new name for marina? How many millions was it?
Why not spend that money on a competition for engineers to design enclosed stations?
Just one station can make all the difference and later on improve on the rest. either cheap and effective, so no one gets kill and the cooperate heads still have their profit, or some arty farty station so mr white suit can go on news with the newly improved station on our 1st class transport system in the world. -
Coverups..coverups...
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SMRT like all Company & Bosses...... don't want to listen to employee. We are paid to work..... not tell them what to do. The only suggestion they want, is how to make more $$$$ for the share holder...... employee are not consider 'Human' anyway......Originally posted by iveco:Feedback your suggestion to SMRT. See what happens.
Earphones or headphones are given out with each handphone..... why oh why can't those A*shole use it
Not everyone like your kind of music... some passager (me incl) just want peace & quite after a long day of work.... I could afford my own MP3, thx you...... need not 'share' your Devil Worshipping Music with me.....
USE A EARPHONE PLEASE -
Will stopping people from committing sucide increase SMRT Profit?
Answer this and you will know what will be SMRT reply. -
there are no news reported does not mean it did not happenOriginally posted by pwnz0r:All I can say it is odd that the MRT has been in service since the 80's and these incidents have only occured in more recent times. Perhaps the solution is beyond these barrier panels and the onus should be passenger's own caution.
However, it is a ridiculous notion that the cost of barrier panels to be borne by the passengers. In every year the SMRT makes a profit, do they redistribute this surplus back to passengers? A company, much less a GLC should be not guaranteed a profit year-on-year. It is ridiculous to put the consumers in a position to guarantee profits for these GLCs. Any cost, especially that towards safety, should be borne wholly and soley by SMRT.
They already made substanial retained earnings over the years. That should more than cover the cost of the panels. -
It actual will..... less stopage, means more passager per train load. Not need to have buses ready to bring passager to & from affected Station..... bus drivers are paid OT....... no need to repay passager of their tickets.... etc.Originally posted by mistyblue:Will stopping people from committing sucide increase SMRT Profit?
Answer this and you will know what will be SMRT reply.
By the cost of buliding and maintance of the fence will be much higher than the $$$ save....... maintance need to be done daily, weekly or monthly..... people jumping happens only once a while......
So, like all business people..... SMRT will do their 'Math' and find no good reason to spend the $$$$..... unless LTA foot the bill and SMRT could increase the ticket price to cover the maintance....... so, You do the math. -
Answer this:
Is SMRT losing Money/Profit with all the stoppage and delays?
Does the people have a alternative?
Who really gets affected the most with the delays and stoppage?