There's Been Enough Incidents, STOP Debating!
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Told you already...... them lose some $$$ everytime when theres a stopage. But stopage happens only once a while..... if daily.....Originally posted by mistyblue:Answer this:
Is SMRT losing Money/Profit with all the stoppage and delays?
Does the people have a alternative?
Who really gets affected the most with the delays and stoppage?
No, people don't have alternative...... blame yourself you don't earn enough to own a car (S'pore dream)
The ppl do..... but the bosses drive cars..... so, no care. -
How much does it cost to erect a simple barrier system as against the cost of disruption to the public and MRT.
All the problems citizens have had to contend with seem to have something to do with face.
Why can't MRT just admit it oversight or negligence in failing to provide proper safety barrier in the original construction of MRT.
It was the same problem with the public outcry over the lack of handicap ramp previously.
It was during election time as a result of much public complaints and outcry that finally this oversight or problem was finally realized that now handicap ramps are lately considered a necessity and provided in all stations.
Why do we run a country in this manner - refusal to admit problems or errors because of face. -
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No matter what problems stopping the authorites in building the barrier.
It is a very difficult decision for them.
$$$ or human Lives????
Truly a very tough decision. -
No lah...... very easy...... MONEY lor.....Originally posted by carrotsoup:No matter what problems stopping the authorites in building the barrier.
It is a very difficult decision for them.
$$$ or human Lives????
Truly a very tough decision.
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Maybe we should really install the glass barriers. Those who are commit suicide are probably those who give up on life too easily. Maybe if there's a barrier, those people will see it as too difficult to overcome.
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Well..... then ppl will jump infornt of cars & buses..... then we also bulid barriers along the road.Originally posted by Parka: Maybe we should really install the glass barriers. Those who are commit suicide are probably those who give up on life too easily. Maybe if there's a barrier, those people will see it as too difficult to overcome.
But why stop there
Bulit barriers along all the HDB + Condos also, just incase ppl wants to jump..... then barriers along the entire coast line of S'pore, just incase ppl want to drown themselve. Everytime you take medicne...... doctor must be with you, just incase you posion yourself. Even when walking you must have a helper..... just incase you try to kill yourself by running into a wall.......
Soooo much example, Sooo little time....
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You are talking about a viable error-prevention feature here. Even simple barriers can drastically cut the accidental deaths.
I don't think it will be as funny or debatable the next time a child ends up on the tracks because he or she was pushed or accidently ended up there. Best still if it's some VIP's relative... how fast you think the barriers will come up?
In any case nobody is supposed to be on the tracks at any time (unlike a road which by law can be crossed at certain places or anywhere at times), so if you can set up a simple system to avoid that error... why not? Even simple bannisters with chains is better then nothing if SMRT is too half-past-six to implement a proper one.
And with their yearly profits I wonder why exactly they think it's such a big issue to improve such an obvious part of their system.
In the same vein I see no need to build railings for our HDB staircases, no need to install window grills... and what have you not. Just paint a yellow line and tell people not to cross it.
Truth is, accidents will happen... but if we can reasonably avoid some then we ought to do it... we can't wall up all our roads and what have you not... but we can certainly add some barriers to protect people from falling onto the tracks. Suicide don't say lah... if people want to die then then it's hard to stop them... but what about the unintentional deaths?
There was a time where people though that seat belts were a hassle in cars... now it's required by LAW. -
All these talking in circles among the authorities concerned, are just that they are trying to pass the buck to us - the commuters.
If it's something like the Casinos, there wouldn't be much talk at all - IMMEDIATE IMPLMENTATION! Because it makes them money...
Unless preventing accidents & suicides at MRT stations can make money for gov, then the barriers will come up in double quick time!!
Logical???
I believe so...
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ah.. they still make crazy profit despite the stoppages, so they're not gonna give a hoot.Originally posted by mistyblue:Answer this:
Is SMRT losing Money/Profit with all the stoppage and delays?
Does the people have a alternative?
Who really gets affected the most with the delays and stoppage?
i think they'll only do something when theres enough stoppages to really affect their profit margins. -
You are talking about a viable error-prevention feature here. Even simple barriers can drastically cut the accidental deaths.
We are talkin about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
Why the hell is children running around.... where the hell is the caretaker. If you are sick..... STEP BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE. For God sake, nearly a million people used the MRT daily..... daily
Is the death rate like 3-4 a day......
There are times like no death for months and months..... then some fellow family kena half a million just because he jump from the MRT platform, for the next few months 3-4 copycats......
There are many reason why someone wants to die...... stress, sickness, mental problem..... etc. How many can you prevent If someone still climb over the half barriers..... will you demand a full barrier And if during a fire, the full barrier was found to have cost the death of passager who was unable to escape...... will you then demand the barrier to be removed
Ask yourself this...... have the train ever ''jump'' out from its track and killed anyone behind the yellow line.....
Then isn't it safe to say that as long as a person take responsibility to keep him/her-self behind the yellow line, then the chance of falling into the track is greatly greatly redures......
If people refuse to take responsibility for their own safetly (incl those with young kids)..... then nothing will keep them safe. A*sholes could sit on the half barrier and fall over. -
Originally posted by hloc:
Hundred of millions of commuters use MRT, MTR, Metro, Subway....everyday all over the world, in stations without any barriers to the track, from the busy businessmen in New York to the village farmers in Shanghai, why are Singaporeans the only kind of people who need barriers to prevent them from falling, jumping into the track and get killed by train? It is something wrong with Singaporean! all walking around like zombee, stopped only by barriers.
We are talkin about [b]PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
Why the hell is children running around.... where the hell is the caretaker. If you are sick..... STEP BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE. For God sake, nearly a million people used the MRT daily..... daily Is the death rate like 3-4 a day......
There are times like no death for months and months..... then some fellow family kena half a million just because he jump from the MRT platform, for the next few months 3-4 copycats......
There are many reason why someone wants to die...... stress, sickness, mental problem..... etc. How many can you prevent If someone still climb over the half barriers..... will you demand a full barrier And if during a fire, the full barrier was found to have cost the death of passager who was unable to escape...... will you then demand the barrier to be removed
Ask yourself this...... have the train ever ''jump'' out from its track and killed anyone behind the yellow line.....
Then isn't it safe to say that as long as a person take responsibility to keep him/her-self behind the yellow line, then the chance of falling into the track is greatly greatly redures......
If people refuse to take responsibility for their own safetly (incl those with young kids)..... then nothing will keep them safe. A*sholes could sit on the half barrier and fall over. [/b]
It is very sad that we need to ask the government to install barriers in train stations, and may be bus stop to prevent people from endangering themselves. When will Singaporean grow up and say to the nanny, "I can stand on my own."
I guess soon the PAP government will implement what they do best: 1. $200 fine for anybody caught crossing the yellow lines, $1000 for falling onto the track, regardless if the act is accidental or not. 2. Gory pictures of human body cut into half, head smashed, shown around the stations, " You Could Be The Next One, Do Not Cross The Yellow Line."
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KNN... smrt nv build glass panal their fault?
it's those noobs who wanna always stand so out the platform, just kaisu cant get a seat? use ur brain la.. is those ppl fault, not smrt la.. -
omg my cloneOriginally posted by OoOoOo: -
It is very sad that we need to ask the government to install barriers in train stations, and may be bus stop to prevent people from endangering themselves. When will Singaporean grow up and say to the nanny, "I can stand on my own."
This is the worst problem with S'porean....... I want Govt to take care of everything, as long as Govt don't tell me what to do......
If you want the Govt to take care of everything..... then listen, don't agrue, do as you're told and Vote for them blindly......
If you want to think for yourself...... then take RESPONSIBILITY for your OWN action........ How the Hell could we even dream of change in the Govt if we even need them to protect us while we are standing....
Standing Behind The Yellow Line is all that is needed..... -
I oppose to the glass thingie, just because its an issue raised by cynthia phua, yes, I'm against whatever she says or does.
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Sorry..... may I know who the Hell is Cynthia PhuaOriginally posted by ditzy:I oppose to the glass thingie, just because its an issue raised by cynthia phua, yes, I'm against whatever she says or does. -
Originally posted by hloc:
Wah, seems like you didn't even bother to read the first post on the first page of this thread.
Sorry..... may I know who the Hell is [b]Cynthia Phua [/b] -
I read the Headline of the thread..... not the ''Today in Parliament".Originally posted by ditzy:Wah, seems like you didn't even bother to read the first post on the first page of this thread. -
A low barrier will not work as long as there are kiasu Singaporeans who will rush to get in first to find a seat. As for those who would want to commit suicide, they will do it anyway.
I'll tell you what works...a stiff fine will work. Install an electric eye system where the yellow line is. If anyone crosses that line before a train has pulled up into the station, a photograph is immediately taken and the offender is fined $20 on the spot. The fine will soon pay for the costs of installation. -
here in japan, during peak hours, there will be staff on the platforms every 5-10 metres for crowd control. they make sure no one crosses the yellow line, and most importantly, crowd control. the japanese already give way to people getting off trains, so what they do is direct the queues so that those getting off can leave the platforms ASAP making flow of traffic smoother.
if you ask me, it works, and we need this sytem all day long since dumb singaporeans cant be bothered to let people off the trains first. some forced conditioning for a few years, maybe 3. after that we can reduce it to peak hours only. -
Singaporeans are conditioned to being forced, so without force many people will kpkb at the government, 3 years won be enough. I would suggest the traffic warden use a long can like the indian or pakistani riot police, can the legs that cross the yellow line.Originally posted by nismoS132:here in japan, during peak hours, there will be staff on the platforms every 5-10 metres for crowd control. they make sure no one crosses the yellow line, and most importantly, crowd control. the japanese already give way to people getting off trains, so what they do is direct the queues so that those getting off can leave the platforms ASAP making flow of traffic smoother.
if you ask me, it works, and we need this sytem all day long since dumb singaporeans cant be bothered to let people off the trains first. some forced conditioning for a few years, maybe 3. after that we can reduce it to peak hours only. -
here in japan, during peak hours, there will be staff on the platforms every 5-10 metres for crowd control. they make sure no one crosses the yellow line, and most importantly, crowd control. the japanese already give way to people getting off trains, so what they do is direct the queues so that those getting off can leave the platforms ASAP making flow of traffic smoother.
I agree that this will work..... but being a S'pore Company, SMRT will want it cheap & good...... Means less staff, low pay..... There are part-time station staff during the peak hours...... they are paid $5 an hour. Tell me, how many S'porean can live on this type of pay ???......
3-4hr in the morning, then 3-4hr in the eveing...... total of 8hr at the most, $40 a day. 5 day a week, 20days a month...... 20x$40= $800 a month avg. Would you work hard with this type of pay ???
The problem is that most SMRT Stations are under Staffed....... just take a look at any station away from town...... you have a station master + 1-2 staff. Station Master must stay in the control room most of the time, leaving 1 staff to take care of the ticket problems of passager.... another to patrol the WHOLE platform.......
Less staff means more cost saving for SMRT...... means more $$$ for 'Share Holder'........ means less ppl to lookout for S'porean that is unable to take care of themselves..... and finally, means more Incidents likely to happen.
So..... it is up to you, to take care of yourself. -
Originally posted by hloc:
the crowd in Japan train stations is about 10 times that in Singapore. Most of the time the staff's job is to push the passengers in so that the train door can be closed. During less peak hour, the staff are not there.
I agree that this will work..... but being a S'pore Company, SMRT will want it cheap & good...... Means less staff, low pay..... There are part-time station staff during the peak hours...... they are paid $5 an hour. Tell me, how many S'porean can live on this type of pay ???......
3-4hr in the morning, then 3-4hr in the eveing...... total of 8hr at the most, $40 a day. 5 day a week, 20days a month...... 20x$40= $800 a month avg. Would you work [b]hard with this type of pay ???
The problem is that most SMRT Stations are under Staffed....... just take a look at any station away from town...... you have a station master + 1-2 staff. Station Master must stay in the control room most of the time, leaving 1 staff to take care of the ticket problems of passager.... another to patrol the WHOLE platform.......
Less staff means more cost saving for SMRT...... means more $$$ for 'Share Holder'........ means less ppl to lookout for S'porean that is unable to take care of themselves..... and finally, means more Incidents likely to happen.
So..... it is up to you, to take care of yourself.[/b]
I am not speaking for SMRT but I really think Singaporean commuters should learn to be responsible for themselves, and help those who really cannot read, and pull back those who fall accidentally.
I am waiting to see if any of these accidents would happen to tourists, especially those who came from countries where there are MRT. I really dread to see installation in Singapore that show the stupidity of singaporean.
Next time the PAP will say during election:" see, you need us, or else you people can't even stand properly." -
Originally posted by hloc:
Member of Parliament for Aljunied GRC.
Sorry..... may I know who the Hell is [b]Cynthia Phua [/b]
I think Ditzy likes Silvia Lim better.
Anyway, here's some food for thought. $MRT fudged the ridership figures for Svc 608 in order to withdraw it.