Refreshing Testimonial: PRCs are Cheats...
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Most varsity cheats are Chinese
Statement by NZ university causes uproar
March 10, 2007
MOST of the cheats at one New Zealand university are from China.
That's what Lincoln University is claiming. And it has sparked outrage in Christchurch.
A local newspaper reported last week that a majority of cheating cases at Lincoln University, a rural campus about half an hour's drive from the town that focuses on agricultural studies, involved students from mainland China.
Almost half the college's 4,000 students are drawn from overseas, 60 per cent of them from China.
Several students contacted the newspaper after the report appeared to rebut the claims.
Many studied hard for their qualifications, they told The Press newspaper.
One said: 'I can only say some Chinese may cheat in the exam but I never cheat during any of my exams, and assignments.'
Student Rockie Hsu said: 'I was a student at Lincoln and I saw some Kiwi students cheating... My point is most cheaters are Chinese because the supervisors are not catching the Kiwi cheaters at all.'
Others agreed that students from all groups cheated.
Student Jaemi Tan: 'Yes, I do believe there are some Chinese students who cheat in the exams, but Kiwi students cheat in the exams as well. You can't deny that.
'I think it is a little bit unfair to single out Chinese students about cheating at the university. From my own time at a different university I'm aware cheaters come from all groups.'
UNFAIR ASSUMPTION?
Another student, Hai Yan Jiang, said it was unfair to make assumptions about a whole race based on just a few people.
'It is unfair to judge a nation according to several individuals. Can I make conclusion that all the Kiwi are stupid, drunk people because I saw lots of them drunk in the late night standing in the street and making mess?'
Since The Press published the story on Wednesday several people have also contacted the newspaper to back up the claims made by students and staff at Lincoln University. They believe cheating by Chinese students is widespread, not only at Lincoln but also at other New Zealand universities.
Mr Rutherford Ward, a former tutor at two leading North Island universities, said he frequently raised the issue of cheating among Chinese students.
'It is a problem, no matter what people say,' he said.
'I came across it while I was tutoring.
'There are cultural differences and Chinese students are under a lot of pressure because they pay a lot to come here but universities do make it clear what the rules are.
'It isn't just Chinese students who cheat or have poor language skills but they make up a large number.'
Meanwhile, thousands of British students have been cheating on their university application forms, reported The Telegraph.
The Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (Ucas) said one in 20 candidates copied material from websites when writing personal statements.
University applicants have to complete a Ucas form. This means they have to submit a personal statement describing their interests and explaining why they want to study their chosen degree course. -
this is racism
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WTF is the matter with your comprehension? Did the article conclude that Chinese nationals are cheats? In what ways does this article substantiate your claim that Chinese nationals are cheats? The article reports academic plagarism in a 3rd, 4th tier school from a country that is no where close to having acheived international reputation in its higher education. Are you deliberately and viciously turning a deaf ear to the different voices in the report? No, it is not right to cheat. But it is an abysmally vicious twist of argument when you generalize this isolated incident to the character of a whole nation.
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u make it sounds like u scolded TS for writing this. he also "cheated" coz he copied the news and paste it hereOriginally posted by dreameryb:WTF is the matter with your comprehension? Did the article conclude that Chinese nationals are cheats? In what ways does this article substantiate your claim that Chinese nationals are cheats? The article reports academic plagarism in a 3rd, 4th tier school from a country that is no where close to having acheived international reputation in its higher education. Are you deliberately and viciously turning a deaf ear to the different voices in the report? No, it is not right to cheat. But it is an abysmally vicious twist of argument when you generalize this isolated incident to the character of a whole nation.
well who dun cheat? i suspect that new zealand doesnt not hav strict rules enforced regarding cheating cases.
i rmb one of my poly module, there was this assignment which dey used the stupid so called anti plagarism thing. if u "copied" more den 15 % from the internet, u are deemed to hav "cheated" and send u for disciplinary actions.
i kena la.....wtf...n teacher talk until v serious and crap like dat....but in the end system error, den teacher apologsize to me instead...
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A bit of sterotyping here lah.
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how many singaporean students in NUS/NTU do you know that did not copy articles off the internet for their essays?
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That means all the cut n paste dogs here are all cheaters as well!!!like ???? -
Correct. Being prejudiced wouldn't help matters and could lead to hostility. Since the PRC are here to stay for sure why don't we try to open our mind and learn as much about them as possible? This will enable both sides to have a better understanding of each other's psyche and culture which will bring about a richer, happier and more harmonious co-existence.Originally posted by dreameryb:WTF is the matter with your comprehension? Did the article conclude that Chinese nationals are cheats? In what ways does this article substantiate your claim that Chinese nationals are cheats? The article reports academic plagarism in a 3rd, 4th tier school from a country that is no where close to having acheived international reputation in its higher education. Are you deliberately and viciously turning a deaf ear to the different voices in the report? No, it is not right to cheat. But it is an abysmally vicious twist of argument when you generalize this isolated incident to the character of a whole nation. -
i will not call those PRC cheaters, BUT THEY REALLY NEED TO WORK ON THEIR GOD DAMN ETIQUETTE AND TILL TODAY, I WILL STILL CALL THEM, UNCIVILISED PIG!!!!!!!!
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I have to admit some people from China is not wise with what they did. And I am very sorry about that. But you shouldn't scold all of us with your impolite words. You already broke my good impression on SG and its people for your racism words!Originally posted by allentyb:i will not call those PRC cheaters, BUT THEY REALLY NEED TO WORK ON THEIR GOD DAMN ETIQUETTE AND TILL TODAY, I WILL STILL CALL THEM, UNCIVILISED PIG!!!!!!!! -
i am sorry if i have offended with that word, pigOriginally posted by Zarrior:I have to admit some people from China is not wise with what they did. And I am very sorry about that. But you shouldn't scold all of us with your impolite words. You already broke my good impression on SG and its people for your racism words!
make note of this, they really need to know how to adapt to the current situation, and its not a racism remark, so please, its name calling, and alot of time, they can be rude, worst of all, they don't think they have done anything wrong, now, i have read before, in the newspaper, china people calling us names before, criticize about singapore before, newspaper report that singaporean got cheated in china, negative report about china. Until the day, china people learn how to be humble in singapore or they will never EVER earn the respect of singaporean, Remember your place -
I have said you can condemn some people from China. But Plz do not point at all of us! Since I came here for half a year, I have adapt your society. I didnt do any rude action. I also think about how to correct my mistake before to adapt this new situation. I don't think I never ever earn the respect of singaporean and I always remenber I am in Singapore for study from China and what ever I do is not just represent myself but my mother country China. So plz do not consider us with bias. Considering everything should detach it into different parts.Originally posted by allentyb:i am sorry if i have offended with that word, pig
make note of this, they really need to know how to adapt to the current situation, and its not a racism remark, so please, its name calling, and alot of time, they can be rude, worst of all, they don't think they have done anything wrong, now, i have read before, in the newspaper, china people calling us names before, criticize about singapore before, newspaper report that singaporean got cheated in china, negative report about china. Until the day, china people learn how to be humble in singapore or they will never EVER earn the respect of singaporean, Remember your place -
a few people from China do not represent the whole of China, so a few singaporean here do not represent all singaporeans. As singaporean, most of us stand tall, on equal footing with people from all countries. If you are here to study as students, or to do business and contribute to the society, you are most welcome. We don't resort to name callings, and to those who resort to name calling, their respect worth nothing. Ignore this people, adapt to our society, and enjoy your stay in singapore.Originally posted by Zarrior:I have said you can condemn some people from China. But Plz do not point at all of us! Since I came here for half a year, I have adapt your society. I didnt do any rude action. I also think about how to correct my mistake before to adapt this new situation. I don't think I never ever earn the respect of singaporean and I always remenber I am in Singapore for study from China and what ever I do is not just represent myself but my mother country China. So plz do not consider us with bias. Considering everything should detach it into different parts.
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To the TS:
Eh hello....
Just because some PRC students resort to cheating, does that mean that ALL of them are? The very fact that you say that this article is a 'Refreshing Testimonial' and that 'PRCs are Cheats' shows that you're stereotyping.
When you're liberal with the use of the brush and tar, be prepared to get some of the tar on your hands. -
Well, so far, there has been more scams, frauds, and con-jobs from PRCs in Singapore than any other nationals. I mean, just look at the number of shady ways they are gaining access into our country; fake PDMMs, faked Student Pass, fake Marriages, whatever innovative ways they can think up to make that extra buck, you name it they thought of it.Originally posted by fudgester:To the TS:
Eh hello....
Just because some PRC students resort to cheating, does that mean that ALL of them are? The very fact that you say that this article is a 'Refreshing Testimonial' and that 'PRCs are Cheats' shows that you're stereotyping.
When you're liberal with the use of the brush and tar, be prepared to get some of the tar on your hands.
So, WHAT stereotyping???
Just look up the archives of Straits Times the number of articles on 'the things' they do just for money....and "progress"... -
I borrow the following thread from Blueheeler in another Topic: More and More PRC in Singapore for leverage on what I'm talking about.
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A few weeks ago, Sunday Times reported the results of a survey concerning S’poreans’ perceptions of foreign workers in Singapore. While workers from India, M’sia and Philippines were deemed by S’poreans to be ‘hardworking’, ‘honest’ & ‘intelligent’, China workers didn’t fare as well. S’poreans thought that workers from China are ‘hardworking’ but ‘rude’ & ‘greedy’.
No point contesting the survey results because from the people IÂ’ve spoken to, SÂ’poreans do indeed detest the uncouth behaviour of the many China nationals working here. ItÂ’s easy to see why: China nationals are frequently seen spitting in public, speaking very loudly, jumping queues, shoving their way through crowds. -
I think we shouldn't generalise, just because you catch some cheats within that particular group. The article also mentioned 60% of the students are from China, therefore with a larger population size, there would be more instances of it. I am sure that other races cheat too, it's not a phenomenon associated with only the Chinese, so don't stigmatised all the Chinese just because you caught some cheating.
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Unless you can unequivocally prove that every single PRC national is involved in scams, frauds, and con-jobs, I shall stick to my stand that you are stereotyping. The fact that you say that 'PRCs are Cheats' in the title to this thread shows that you're not qualifying your statement at all with the caveat that there are honest PRC nationals after all.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well, so far, there has been more scams, frauds, and con-jobs from PRCs in Singapore than any other nationals. I mean, just look at the number of shady ways they are gaining access into our country; fake PDMMs, faked Student Pass, fake Marriages, whatever innovative ways they can think up to make that extra buck, you name it they thought of it.
So, WHAT stereotyping???
Just look up the archives of Straits Times the number of articles on 'the things' they do just for money....and "progress"...
And the fact that you call the article in question a 'Refreshing Testimonial' shows that you are in glee over this.
For your information, I have personally caught one of my team members (a local, mind you) red-handed for outright plagiarism: http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=241796
So how? Should I apply your logic and say that all Singaporeans are cheats? Oh no!
Pfft. I think I'm wasting my breath trying to whack the fallacy of your logic. In the national language of our country, I hereby say the following to you:
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isnt cheating part of life?
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I'm happy to note that I'm not the only one very much against racial stereotyping and racial bias. If we feel threatened by the presence of FTs, then we should address the issue of FTs, not pick on any race.Originally posted by fudgester:Unless you can unequivocally prove that every single PRC national is involved in scams, frauds, and con-jobs, I shall stick to my stand that you are stereotyping. The fact that you say that 'PRCs are Cheats' in the title to this thread shows that you're not qualifying your statement at all with the caveat that there are honest PRC nationals after all.
And the fact that you call the article in question a 'Refreshing Testimonial' shows that you are in glee over this.
For your information, I have personally caught one of my team members (a local, mind you) red-handed for outright plagiarism: http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=241796
So how? Should I apply your logic and say that all Singaporeans are cheats? Oh no!
Pfft. I think I'm wasting my breath trying to whack the fallacy of your logic. In the national language of our country, I hereby say the following to you:
Tambah satu sebelum benang ini ditutup. -
How would we like it if people took a look at Shutterbug and denounced all Singaporeans as ignorant, bigoted and xenophobic?
I'm glad that most are willing to denounce his worthless views.
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Oh ok, lets not leave out New Zealand and the rest of the world...Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:How would we like it if people took a look at Shutterbug and denounced all Singaporeans as ignorant, bigoted and xenophobic?
I'm glad that most are willing to denounce his worthless views.
Carry on!
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Nice evasion, but could use more flair and creativity.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Oh ok, lets not leave out New Zealand and the rest of the world... -
Kitchen assistant charged with murder at Raffles City Shopping Centre
By Lian Cheong and Valarie Tan, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 12 March 2007 2042 hrs
• Dispute between 2 staff at restaurant ends in death of 25-year-old
SINGAPORE : The man allegedly responsible for the murder of a restaurant supervisor at Raffles City Shopping Centre on Saturday has been charged in court.
43-year-old kitchen assistant Wang Zhe Jin, a Chinese national, is now under police custody and his case will be mentioned in court next week.
Wang is said to have murdered his restaurant supervisor, 25-year-old Tan Guan Wha.
Tan died from a stab wound to the chest.
Tan's body was brought back to his Marsilling home on Monday afternoon.
The incident happened at Soup Spoon, a restaurant at Raffles City Shopping Centre, last Saturday evening. - CNA /ls -
so?