The Kangaroo Appeal Courtthis part u write one har?
wasnt me.... taken from SB forums...Originally posted by Ito_^:this part u write one har?![]()
The judge was right in saying that the plaintiff could well have a valid case if they had brought it to court much earlier. There is a time limit beyond which you cannot bring an action. If someone made an illegal turning and knocked you down on the road, you have 3 years to sue under tort. It's 5 years for contract. For other issues, the time window is different. If you lose a case in court, you have to appeal within weeks. If you miss the deadline, your case will be thrown out of court even if you have all the evidence in the world on your side.Originally posted by hisoka:Hmmz, sounds like a case of pulling technicallities to help cover their ass.
+ the fact that they filed the case late doesn't seem to merit throwing out the case because there was no actual stipulation quoted( of course there might be such a clause which i don't know about) on taking such actions otehr than the 6 months which wouldn't have been enough to go pull the case of not using the land thru.
But you missed the point. How would you know the govt had no use of the land until many years later. If he raises the suit 5 years after the incident, the govt can say they have use for it on the 6th year and so on.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The judge was right in saying that the plaintiff could well have a valid case if they had brought it to court much earlier. There is a time limit beyond which you cannot bring an action. If someone made an illegal turning and knocked you down on the road, you have 3 years to sue under tort. It's 5 years for contract. For other issues, the time window is different. If you lose a case in court, you have to appeal within weeks. If you miss the deadline, your case will be thrown out of court even if you have all the evidence in the world on your side.
This is yet another fact to show how immoral it is for the government to become lawless itself by robbing people of lands and selling them at market prices with land sale profits conveniently stashed away in reserves while increasing taxes and spending them on loss-making overseas projects without accountability.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The judge was right in saying that the plaintiff could well have a valid case if they had brought it to court much earlier. There is a time limit beyond which you cannot bring an action. If someone made an illegal turning and knocked you down on the road, you have 3 years to sue under tort. It's 5 years for contract. For other issues, the time window is different. If you lose a case in court, you have to appeal within weeks. If you miss the deadline, your case will be thrown out of court even if you have all the evidence in the world on your side.
as mentioned. you need time to see that the government not doing anything with the land. therefore the question of whether 3 years under tort or 5 years under contract is rether invalid given the circumstances of the governemnt acquiring an dnot using the land.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:The judge was right in saying that the plaintiff could well have a valid case if they had brought it to court much earlier. There is a time limit beyond which you cannot bring an action. If someone made an illegal turning and knocked you down on the road, you have 3 years to sue under tort. It's 5 years for contract. For other issues, the time window is different. If you lose a case in court, you have to appeal within weeks. If you miss the deadline, your case will be thrown out of court even if you have all the evidence in the world on your side.
The time limit under contract and tort was raised as an illustration that legal action has a time window. This case has nothing to tort or contract. As the court pointed out, the plaintiff could have challenged the government to show cause as to why they had to acquire their land within 6 months of the notice, but they did not.Originally posted by hisoka:as mentioned. you need time to see that the government not doing anything with the land. therefore the question of whether 3 years under tort or 5 years under contract is rether invalid given the circumstances of the governemnt acquiring an dnot using the land.
+ there is still the question of the government abusing powers to acquire land and not using it for stated purposes or even not using it.
in addition the points you mentioned only serve to quote further examples of problems with our legal system
That is a sweeping statement. As I have mentioned in my previous post, I agree the prolonged inaction of the authorities in this case is suspicious and they should be taken to task. I await to hear the Opposition Party raise this in Parliament.Originally posted by robertteh:This is yet another fact to show how immoral it is for the government to become lawless itself by robbing people of lands and selling them at market prices with land sale profits conveniently stashed away in reserves while increasing taxes and spending them on loss-making overseas projects without accountability.
You cannot. That is why the plaintiff's lawyers should have made representation challenging the government to show cause as to why acquisition was necessary, its purpose and future plans. That ties the government down. They cannot sit on it thereafter for years and they cannot then re-zone it to residential land (which is more valuable) after having assured the court that it was meant for general use.Originally posted by kilua:But you missed the point. How would you know the govt had no use of the land until many years later. If he raises the suit 5 years after the incident, the govt can say they have use for it on the 6th year and so on.
No, they cannot do that. They must show cause as to why the land was needed (that's why you need to get a lawyer to fight it). The compensation scheme has also changed now. The government also has to consider not just the value of the land but also the future potential of the land in determining compensation. Such a case is therefore unlikely to recur in future land acquisitions.Originally posted by kilua:It also raises a future point. The govt has the right to forcibly acquire the land, even if they had no use for the land or want to increase its land bank.
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If there is a time bar for righting an injustice on a civil matter of such magnitude, will the Singapore Law allow a criminal to escape justice after similar time bar - perhaps a time bar after 24 years of successfully eluding capture ?
The judge was right in saying that the plaintiff could well have a valid case if they had brought it to court much earlier. There is a time limit beyond which you cannot bring an action. If someone made an illegal turning and knocked you down on the road, you have 3 years to sue under tort. It's 5 years for contract. For other issues, the time window is different. If you lose a case in court, you have to appeal within weeks. If you miss the deadline, your case will be thrown out of court even if you have all the evidence in the world on your side.
You certainly have the ability to recognise 'sweeping statements' - after expertly making so many of your own.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Originally posted by robertteh:
This is yet another fact to show how immoral it is for the government to become lawless itself by robbing people of lands and selling them at market prices with land sale profits conveniently stashed away in reserves while increasing taxes and spending them on loss-making overseas projects without accountability.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That is a sweeping statement. As I have mentioned in my previous post, I agree the prolonged inaction of the authorities in this case is suspicious and they should be taken to task. I await to hear the Opposition Party raise this in Parliament.
Is it a surprise that you can recognise your own evil work in the efforts made by others ?
However, you are trying to tarnish the entire land acquisition system with one dubious case. Land acquired by the government is remunerated at the market rate according to law.
If the private landowner had not done anything on the land apart from a few coconut trees, obviously the market rate for the land will be low. Once the land has been acquired and the government has developed infrastructure around it, built an MRT station next to it and surrounded it with schools, shopping malls, sports complexes and polyclinics; no doubt the value of the land will rise. It is not wrong to sell the land at the new market price to developers. It would not be responsible to sell it at the old price when millions of taxpayers money have been spent to improve the infrastructure. The monies paid out to the government can then be used for other public projects. Ultimately, the government's funds are taxpayers' money as well.Are you not stating the obvious ?
When there is a case of our ex-elected president not being given access to exercise his elected duty to ask for greater accountability on the hidden assets and when there is a souzhou and a nkf and a shin corp where government was clearly seen as lawless and refusing to be held accountable for mistakes and losses, people will be slowly losing confidence in the whole system of government.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:That is a sweeping statement. As I have mentioned in my previous post, I agree the prolonged inaction of the authorities in this case is suspicious and they should be taken to task. I await to hear the Opposition Party raise this in Parliament.
However, you are trying to tarnish the entire land acquisition system with one dubious case. Land acquired by the government is remunerated at the market rate according to law.
If the private landowner had not done anything on the land apart from a few coconut trees, obviously the market rate for the land will be low. Once the land has been acquired and the government has developed infrastructure around it, built an MRT station next to it and surrounded it with schools, shopping malls, sports complexes and polyclinics; no doubt the value of the land will rise. It is not wrong to sell the land at the new market price to developers. It would not be responsible to sell it at the old price when millions of taxpayers money have been spent to improve the infrastructure. The monies paid out to the government can then be used for other public projects. Ultimately, the government's funds are taxpayers' money as well.