No foresight and not enterprising - F1 and IR
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Why are our government official unable to see that both the F1 races and Integrated Resort can be synergise together to produce a very unique F1 and Casino in Singapore?
Billions are being spent building the Casino on Marina Bay and just hundreds meter away, the F1 is to be held, which we will also easily spent hundreds of millions on infrastructure changes.
The STB, URA and Casino committer members must be blind not to see that both are can be integrated together and give both the casino investor and F1 organiser more bang for the dollar.
Both will be world class events and major tourist attraction, both are being prepared, built and organise at the same time, yet no one knows how to combine both into one or at least make them synergise with each other.
For example, since we are building the casino, why don't alter some of the the plans to make the F1 race thru a glass enclose casino buldings when the races are held here? If this is done, even the F1 drivers them selves will be excited when entering the casino tunnels.
There are so many things that can be done to combine the two events but yet they are always discussed seperately. This only shows that sometimes govt needs strong enterprising individual from the private sector that is able to seizes opportunity and make 1+1=4 -
everything is so integrated. so crammed. damn, feel so small.
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Why are you assuming such a thing? Is this a fact or something you believe only ?
How do you know the Singapore govt has no plans for such integration or perhaps even much more plans than you ever imagine?
If the govt's inability is a fact, then you must establish it with hard facts....
Otherwise, your mere assumption beri bo liao !
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The current push for a Formula 1 race started out as a private initiative. Both of them have different deadlines as well.
Not many infrastructure changes have to be made, just the building of a pitlane and garages, the addition of exit roads and some rumble strips.
And I doubt the drivers will be looking up in your proposed tunnel when they're on the limit. -
1. easier said than done. wun go into details but not easy to execute.Originally posted by IIOOII:Why are our government official unable to see that both the F1 races and Integrated Resort can be synergise together to produce a very unique F1 and Casino in Singapore?
2. with hindsight, talk is cheap. -
Hahaha..... told you this could happen..... must have wanted ''Cheap & Good'' again
But still got chance lah..... maybe the IRs are not ready yet. So, the 1st race will be held along with the opening of the IRs around 2009. Lets not worry too much till they said that the plan is over.....
Just hope lor..... not the 1st time don't understand THIS Govt patten anyway....
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It is truely sad that so many out there can only see whats impossible and what cannot be done instead of what is possible.
Its so difficult to find people that can think out of the box.
Sometimes if our govt keep using tried and tested methods of doing things, we will never encourage any enterising spirit, everything we do will be like following someone else footsteps.
For example, Sydney has opera house, we have durian, Paris have Eiffel tower and we built a giant Merlion in Sentosa, London's Eye then we follow with the biggest observation wheel in SEA. -
going to be
another crazy horse
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I assume you know what you're talking about. But your post reflects little understanding on your part - mostly nitpicking.Originally posted by IIOOII:It is truely sad that so many out there can only see whats impossible and what cannot be done instead of what is possible.
Its so difficult to find people that can think out of the box. -
Friend... please explain....Originally posted by Kuali Baba:I assume you know what you're talking about. But your post reflects little understanding on your part - mostly nitpicking.
Would like to know more about your view -
Have you even taken a look at the proposed circuit layout and the location of Marina Bay Sands? They're not even that close!Originally posted by hloc:Friend... please explain....
Would like to know more about your view -
i really dun think this is abt what u quoted above.Originally posted by IIOOII:It is truely sad that so many out there can only see whats impossible and what cannot be done instead of what is possible.
Its so difficult to find people that can think out of the box.
Sometimes.....
nothing really about thinking out of the box...
u conveniently lob over something and say, `the ball is on your court' now...why didn't they think of it? too easy, buddy....
how is it that F1 and IR can mix? just build a track over the IR venue and that's the bright spark in the scheme of things that will make it uniquely singapore? there's 1001 things tt singapore can do then to stand out; but can it be integrated into the larger scheme of urban planning in sgp?
even wif the e.g. u quoted, there's nothing innovative abt what sg has done tt stands out. compare sg merlion tower in sentosa with eiffel? pls don't even mention tt ever again. ppl will laugh in your face. u r comparing cherry QQ and ferrari. durian is a good attempt to add character to sg's landmark. i support n like it depsite its critics. the glorified ferris wheel will flop in my opinion. it's not new btw, all major cities have it already. and most are not doing well, based on what i see in places like tokyo, kyoto and KL. And KL already beat sg to it with their own wheel, albeit a temporary one.
i dun mind your comments, but to call it `no foresight' is a tad too much. justify your credentials if you want to make such remarks. -
One of the very serious problem that challenge the F1 organisers here is TREE; if you ever see F1 races and circuit, there are no trees, because trees will block almost all aerial view (cameras), any camera man covering the F1 can tell you if the trees don't go, the coverage will be a joke. URA and National Parks will not approve of removing the lovely trees on the propose circuit, especially along padang.
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Originally posted by Kuali Baba:
No, I haven't seen any. Don't read the sport section of ST much...
Have you even taken a look at the [b]proposed circuit layout and the location of Marina Bay Sands? They're not even that close! [/b]
But do remember that Marina IR is yet to be build, therefore racing around there next year will be a waste of view..... only a half complete builting to be seen. But most importantly is that the route is just a 'proposed' route.... anything could be change...... Since no real plan have been 'leak' to the press.... are we even sure that that is the proposed circuit
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Why must integrate with IR? Why not integrate mith the MRT circle line?
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Have you ever seen the old Hockenheim? It ran through the Nordschleiffe forest! And that's where the German Grand Prix takes place!
Spa-Francorchamps is another track surrounded by forest. Albert Park is also partially shaded by trees. No problems for TV cameras either.
Besides the areas which the track will run through are not obscured by thick foiliage. Where on earth did you get this idea from? Originally posted by IIOOII:One of the very serious problem that challenge the F1 organisers here is TREE; if you ever see F1 races and circuit, there are no trees, because trees will block almost all aerial view (cameras), any camera man covering the F1 can tell you if the trees don't go, the coverage will be a joke. URA and National Parks will not approve of removing the lovely trees on the propose circuit, especially along padang.
How do we turn this potential disaster into something positive? -
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Go look at the current thread on the subject in the Cars forum, it was published in the papers in January.
If they want to they can adjust the design to allow temporary grandstands to be set up. It'll only give a distant view of that same street circuit.Originally posted by hloc:No, I haven't seen any. Don't read the sport section of ST much...
But do remember that Marina IR is yet to be build, therefore racing around there next year will be a waste of view..... only a half complete builting to be seen. But most importantly is that the route is just a 'proposed' route.... anything could be change...... Since no real plan have been 'leak' to the press.... are we even sure that that is the proposed circuit -
Thxs for the info..... must say I really wish the Govt would make up its mind soon..... like waiting for 'O' level result all over againOriginally posted by Kuali Baba:Go look at the current thread on the subject in cars, it was published in the papers in January.
If they want to they can adjust the design to allow temporary grandstands to be set up. It'll only give a distant view of that same street circuit. -
"X" factor. There is simply no "x" factor for Singapore yet, each year many cities and countries, not just us, will compete to have F1 races, some will and many have poured billions to built fancy circuits and infrastructure to lure F1. If we do not provide the "x" factor, F1 will just come and go. If you don't do it right they might not come back again.
You can have the best organiser or the best circuit, but if people start to off their TV or change channels, F1 will move away.
If we just look inward and see how good we are, we will never be able to compete with many up and coming cities, especially those in Asia, with more land and more people and soon to have more wealth too.
By the way, Kuali Baba, i don't think you take photos and videos do you, because you certainly do not know what i am talking about and understand the surrounding of the propose circuit. I will just let the international press make a fool out of Singapores if the Trees don't go. -
The thing with ''X'' factor is that most of the time, it is in the eye of the beholder...... we live here all our live, of course everything (buildings, skyline... etc) seems boring to us..... but the F1 race is not just for us....Originally posted by IIOOII:"X" factor. There is simply no "x" factor for Singapore yet, each year many cities and countries, not just us, will compete to have F1 races, some will and many have poured billions to built fancy circuits and infrastructure to lure F1. If we do not provide the "x" factor, F1 will just come and go. If you don't do it right they might not come back again.
You can have the best organiser or the best circuit, but if people start to off their TV or change channels, F1 will move away.
If we just look inward and see how good we are, we will never be able to compete with many up and coming cities, especially those in Asia, with more land and more people and soon to have more wealth too.
By the way, Kuali Baba, i don't think you take photos and videos do you, because you certainly do not know what i am talking about and understand the surrounding of the propose circuit. I will just let the international press make a fool out of Singapores if the Trees don't go.
Again..... other people around the world might have a difference view..... we could at least give it a try.
Enough natural have been destory in S'pore already.... strongly disagree to cutting down of trees just to let the camera have a better view. Trees can't move.... people and camera could. Let the TV guys solve the problem. Thats why they are so well paid.... -
The fact that the Hungaroring and Magny-Cours are still on the calendar even though they're bloody processions demonstrates otherwise.
You don't seem to understand how Formula 1 works and how Bernie works. It's not "another" tourist attraction. It has legions of fans who follow every race in the championship loyally. And deals done with circuits are signed for multiple years. It's not like voting for a venue for the Olympic Games. If you can negotiate with The Dwarf he'll bring the whole circus here.
If you've been the Malaysian Grand Prix, you'll know what a pain the roads outside are before and after the race. A street circuit in the heart of town is much more convenient for the fans and that is a plus.
I've been through the route myself and I know what I'm talking about, thank you very much.Originally posted by IIOOII:"X" factor. There is simply no "x" factor for Singapore yet, each year many cities and countries, not just us, will compete to have F1 races, some will and many have poured billions to built fancy circuits and infrastructure to lure F1. If we do not provide the "x" factor, F1 will just come and go. If you don't do it right they might not come back again.
You can have the best organiser or the best circuit, but if people start to off their TV or change channels, F1 will move away.
If we just look inward and see how good we are, we will never be able to compete with many up and coming cities, especially those in Asia, with more land and more people and soon to have more wealth too.
By the way, Kuali Baba, i don't think you take photos and videos do you, because you certainly do not know what i am talking about and understand the surrounding of the propose circuit. I will just let the international press make a fool out of Singapores if the Trees don't go. -
Hi hloc, I too love trees, you should see the plants i have at home. The trees have to go, but they do not have to be chopped.
I use to believe alot of things are difficult to understand create, but then others around the world shows us that with determination (and some money), anything is possible. Thus X factor is also no mystery at all, you just need to know who to ask to make it happen. The right people can create the "X" factor.
If you can ask the following people to come together, they will give you a circuit with at least 10 years mileage;
Steven Speilberg
James Cameroon
Daniel Libeskind
Steve Jobs
Michael Eisner (disney)
And the designing team from the top 3 racing video games
They seems to be the most unlikely people, but i can garantee you, if you can get them to work together, they will give you one of the most amazing F1 circuit in history -
Please include Herman Tilke in that list, at least he knows what's required of a Formula 1 track. He's already been engaged for the current plans.
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hahaha... agree with both of you We need the WILL to get things started....... $$$, race circuit, trees, skyline.... etc, is just a problem to overcome
But 1st...... Govt must overcome the "CHEAP & GOOD'' thinking...