YoungPAP - U all juz JEALOUS
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U called him a guy,no,he must be a Gods!!!!!Originally posted by choco B:This guy's just hoping to be noticed to be next candidate for NMP . *snort*
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Was this quote/interview in the context of the salary debate in 1994 when LKY was leading the charge for pegging their pay to the top salaries in the private sector?
BTW, I think this quote is really powerful. Basically, he points out the main flaw in today's government - They only have"got technocratic skills" but serve without a sense of value, integrity, honor i.e. "internally you are empty".
The ministers are now so used to a ilfe that is "full and overflowing", not only having an IRON bowl but a "jade bowl with golden chopsticks".
Basically, all of us should repeat this phrase loud to the ministers:
"What the hell do you do with all that money? You canÂ’t eat it! What do you do with it? Your children donÂ’t need all that money."
Also to note, 8k is big in the 50s, but not as big as 1.2mil with all the other perks in today's dollar.
At the end his speech boils down to this: You are already comfortably renumerated, get on with your job not as one doing it for the money but for the honor and vision of building something grand i.e. for others and for the people. Sadly this rhetoric is not only missing, it is totally ignored in todays government.Originally posted by Yunhaier:
Every time when they talk about their salary, this interview with David Marshall, back in 1994, always appear in my mind:
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...And are youths the miasma of apathetic subservience to authority? But you say to yourselves, “Well, you know, what do we seek in life? We seek a rice bowl, full!”
It is full and overflowing, in fact. They serve you your rice in a jade bowl with golden chopsticks; not that it makes much difference to the taste of the rice. But youÂ’re empty!
YouÂ’ve got technocratic skills and you are seeking more but internally you are empty. Money is your acid test of success.
IÂ’ve got nothing against money. IÂ’d like to have money myself! IÂ’d like to have a house and a garden and dogs and a car and a chauffeur but, look, IÂ’ve got a flat. IÂ’ve got a swimming pool attached to the flat. IÂ’ve not even got a car but I use taxis. I have a dignified way of life without being wealthy.
I donÂ’t see the necessity of owning a Mercedes-Benz and a swimming pool and a couple of mistresses. I think weÂ’ve got our values all wrong.
You know $96,000 a month for a Prime Minister and $60,000 a month for a minister. What the hell do you do with all that money? You canÂ’t eat it! What do you do with it? Your children donÂ’t need all that money.
My children have had the best of education. In fact, IÂ’m very proud of them. One of them is a senior registrar to two major hospitals in Oxford. Another of them is a consultant in European law to the Securities and Investment Board in the United Kingdom. TheyÂ’ve had their education. There are no complaints.
I never earned $60,000 a month or $90,000 a month. When I was Chief Minister, I earned $8,000 a month. Look, what is happening today is we are encouraged to and are becoming worshippers of the Golden Calf.
We have lost sight of the joy and excitement of public service, helping our fellow men. The joy and excitement of seeking and understanding of the joy of the miracle of the living the duty and the grandeur. We have lost taste for heroic action in the service of our people.
We have become good bourgeois seeking comfort, security. ItÂ’s like seeking a crystal coffin and being fed by intravenous injections through pipes in the crystal coffin; crystal coffins stuck with certificates of your pragmatic abilities.
What has changed?
The self-confidence of our people has grown immensely, and that is good to see. Our pragmatic abilities have grown magnificently, and that is good to see. Very good to see!
You are very able. YouÂ’re ambitious, and the government has heroic plans for the future. It hasnÂ’t finished.
I take off my hat to the pragmatic ability of our government but there is no soul in our conduct. It is a difficult thing to speak of because it is difficult to put in a computer, and the youth of Singapore is accustomed to computer fault. There is no longer the intellectual ferment, the passionate argument for a better civilisation. The emphasis on the rice bowl!
Tell me IÂ’m wrong, come on.
*** And to the lawyer:
[b]Qn: WHAT WOULD YOU TELL YOUTHS WHO INTEND TO PURSUE A CAREER IN LAW?
Try and understand that the law is a vocation and not a business. Respect your client irrespective of the fees. I used to charge $1 for a murder case if he was Malay because he had no money. I used to charge $1 to trade unions; all Malay unions, I charged $1 a year. And the $1 is simply because, if you do it for nothing, you are not liable in negligence whereas $1 makes a contract and, if you are negligent, they can sue you.
IÂ’d like them to also understand that justice is a meld of law and humanity. Law and humanity; decency in concepts; if we administer law by the soulless logic of the computer, we arenÂ’t on our road to progress....
Meeting David Marshall in 1994
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the thread starter, i dont envy u. i pity you.
you think ur client envy u? they just wana get more cost down.
frankly u and minister alike, dont deserve the money you all make.
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Since when did the TS say that he was subscribing to the views in the article?
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insensitive idiots that only know the meaning of lines and the rulebooks, but inept fools when it comes to issues of empathy.Originally posted by soul_rage:notice the govt has gone into hiding since they got whacked left right centre?
no news of pay increase for a while already -
hMz..even if already increased liao, how we know?
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Singapore is PAP, PAP is Singapore.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Have you read the rest of the articles on the blog? They are pretty amazing.
I mean I understand that naturally you ought to root for your own side, but the way they go about it speaks volumes about what they think about themselves.
I like this one idea in one of their posts:
"Singapore is PAP, PAP is Singapore"
As if it was something to be really proud of... speaks volumes of the mindset.
And of course, one dude commenting that even though they are taxpayers, the people in Hougang should be penalized by having their needs put lower on the list because they didn't vote in the PAP.
Quite amazing views... it was a disturbing read.
I can think where's our future heading.
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You know, success breeds arrogance. That's why we always must have alternatives. No human being/beings is/are perfect and all-knowing.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Singapore is PAP, PAP is Singapore.
I can think where's our future heading.
Once you have people who think they are indispensable, that's when you know they have gone bananas and replacing them is less costly than letting monkeys run the show. -
Why should anyone be surprsied when the Opposition parties cannot even convince enough people to stand for elections, much less vote for them?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:For some reason, 33.4% of the voters are represented by 3% in parliment.
Hmm...
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Out of the frying pan into the fire? The alternatives have to be better...just any joker who takes an anti-governmemt stance will not win over Singaporean voters. Our prosperity is too important to gamble away.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You know, success breeds arrogance. That's why we always must have alternatives. No human being/beings is/are perfect and all-knowing.
Can the Opposition parties persuade the likes of Ong Beng Seng and Creative Technology's Sim Wong Hoo to join them? -
Another argument that is frankly, zero-sum.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Out of the frying pan into the fire? The alternatives have to be better...just any joker who takes an anti-governmemt stance will not win over Singaporean voters. Our prosperity is too important to gamble away.
Can the Opposition parties persuade the likes of Ong Beng Seng and Creative Technology's Sim Wong Hoo to join them?
Economics schmenomics. Does a great politician have to be an economic czar? -
Oh please, Everyone know PAP takes pre-emptive strikes to terrorize opposition and scare candidates away, e.g. the presidential candidate, James gomez, CSJ etc.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Out of the frying pan into the fire? The alternatives have to be better...just any joker who takes an anti-governmemt stance will not win over Singaporean voters. Our prosperity is too important to gamble away.
If they are really not afraid of good opposition, tell them to give up controlling the "nation building press first... -
Sigh... that's where Singapore is going.Originally posted by LazerLordz:You know, success breeds arrogance. That's why we always must have alternatives. No human being/beings is/are perfect and all-knowing.
Once you have people who think they are indispensable, that's when you know they have gone bananas and replacing them is less costly than letting monkeys run the show.
Too bad here isn't US. -
That's definitely. If the alternative performs worse, no point in choosing them.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Out of the frying pan into the fire? The alternatives have to be better...just any joker who takes an anti-governmemt stance will not win over Singaporean voters. Our prosperity is too important to gamble away.
Can the Opposition parties persuade the likes of Ong Beng Seng and Creative Technology's Sim Wong Hoo to join them?
Prosperity is one issue, going nuts is another. I will never say what the lawyer said: "PAP is Singapore, Singapore is PAP."
It's totally wrong. It's akin to saying that Singapore is another Pol Pot or Stalin ruled country. -
U know wat?? Deep down inside I feel that U feel for the opp party,,,,,~~Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Out of the frying pan into the fire? The alternatives have to be better...just any joker who takes an anti-governmemt stance will not win over Singaporean voters. Our prosperity is too important to gamble away.
Can the Opposition parties persuade the likes of Ong Beng Seng and Creative Technology's Sim Wong Hoo to join them?
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Even this government agrees that competition improves quality. That's why they went as far as artificially creating the Singhealth and NHG clusters to force our hospitals and polyclinics to compete.Originally posted by sunny6110:U know wat?? Deep down inside I feel that U feel for the opp party,,,,,~~
I do not object to a strong Opposition Party that can form a viable alternative government. But given the low quality of the Opposition party candidates we have seen and even poorer quality of the supporters from where they draw their candidates, I'll stick to the ruling party for the foreseeable future...thank you very much -
I share your same view....... Not many can actually share our same sentiments....Originally posted by oxford mushroom:I do not object to a strong Opposition Party that can form a viable alternative government. But given the low quality of the Opposition party candidates we have seen and even poorer quality of the supporters from where they draw their candidates, I'll stick to the ruling party for the foreseeable future...thank you very much -
Seeing one side of the coin only?
No doubt Singapore requires a credible opposition, however the question is if the powers that be are creating the suitable conditions within the country to allow such an opposition to even arise.
At the same time, our supposingly "best and brightest" somehow produce ideas that smell strongly of groupthink, and sentiments are starting to be expressed from the ones currently in power that competition is undesirable.
I'm not too sure if this is a sign of a healthy system.
No doubt the opposition needs to stop a lot of their silly infighting and get their act together, but let's not forget the other large thing that's really getting in the way of a credible opposition... and it is really the only player in this field that benefits the most from having no credible opposition, and intends to keep it that way no matter how it might eventually pan out for the nation.
And do you seriously think by sticking with the "safest" choice, one is actually helping to ease this problem? Or adding to it by confirming that the current approach to the opposition works? -
like the casino... people can scream and shout all they want bit you think they care? Not gone into hiding... as far as they are concerned... debate over, no need to talk anymore... in fact, no need to talk at all.Originally posted by soul_rage:notice the govt has gone into hiding since they got whacked left right centre?
no news of pay increase for a while already
Remember GST increase? No need to talk at all. Remember HDB prices increase? NO need to talk at all... -
maybe a mushroom - kept in the dark and fed shit.Originally posted by Gedanken:What kind of half-arsed lawyer is this?
Do it yourself? Has this guy been living on Mars, or is he completely oblivious to the fact that Singaporeans aren't given the option to do it themselves in this closed-shop one-party system?
Yet another goldfish. I'd like to see him try and make it in the real world where a PAP membership means sweet f*ck-all. -
So what if they really increase their pay? What can u do~~~???
GST increased, what can u do?~
It's just a notice only, not seeking for approval hor..... -
seriously, do we want these bunch of childish, immature, insensitive, arrogant, presumptuous, over-confident young PAP to lead our country in future?
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not up to you to decide. depend on the rest to the singaporean to decideOriginally posted by Gordonator:seriously, do we want these bunch of childish, immature, insensitive, arrogant, presumptuous, over-confident young PAP to lead our country in future? 
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Woah,
This people used stylo, and superb English. He could have very, very good english. I see his English, No grammar. No mistake. Powerful vocab.
Here a cheeers to your english -
Well, there are many on the other side who can match him in his linguistic ability and perhaps even surpass him.Originally posted by hudax1:Woah,
This people used stylo, and superb English. He could have very, very good english. I see his English, No grammar. No mistake. Powerful vocab.
Here a cheeers to your english
Language is but a tool, what you need is to be able to connect across the spectrum. If one can talk shop with CEOs and chat with hawkers in dialect comfortably, then perhaps you can call him/her a well-rounded public figure.