Impact of holding F1 in S'pore
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I can sense the enthusiasm of passionate F1 fans here
Just wanna clarify one thing, as someone who is environmental conscious,
noise is not a concern at all, at least for me.
Hey, I love sports cars, technology and excitements too.
Its more of the fuel consumption/CO2 emission concerned
wrt recent global warming issue,
as i got a shock when someone (outside this forum) mis-quoted the the figures,
Well, since a forumite here had clarified it, im all for it.
As for those who complain about noises, i would add that since its in the city area, why bother? Besides its only a seasonal thing.
Those who bother, could just take it as a public holiday and join in the fun.
The other thing is, with the main reason being economy,
i wonder if out government has no better ideas?
Seem to me that F1, casinos, disneyland, ferrywheels are common ideas in every major asia city now, nothing new or innovative.
I personally hope to see something very very different. -
U got a point thereOriginally posted by Kuali Baba:I am not concerned about how much money the event can spin at all. It's an international motorsports event. The buzz is already more than enough, and the passion of the fans is infectious and priceless. It's worth keeping even if it makes losses - it's unlikely to be as bad as what permanent tracks like Silverstone and Magny-Cours are facing, and even these guys battle to retain the rights to host their races.
I shall forward to the day when all cars become electric/hybrid,
and the F1 cars being the only gas-guzzling roaring vehicles around. haa -
Haw Par Villa, Sentosa Volcano, Giant Merlion, Tang Village are all very different isnt it? but unfortunately being different doesnt always mean success.Originally posted by NuLife:I can sense the enthusiasm of passionate F1 fans here
Just wanna clarify one thing, as someone who is environmental conscious,
noise is not a concern at all, at least for me.
Hey, I love sports cars, technology and excitements too.
Its more of the fuel consumption/CO2 emission concerned
wrt recent global warming issue,
as i got a shock when someone (outside this forum) mis-quoted the the figures,
Well, since a forumite here had clarified it, im all for it.
As for those who complain about noises, i would add that since its in the city area, why bother? Besides its only a seasonal thing.
Those who bother, could just take it as a public holiday and join in the fun.
The other thing is, with the main reason being economy,
i wonder if out government has no better ideas?
Seem to me that F1, casinos, disneyland, ferrywheels are common ideas in every major asia city now, nothing new or innovative.
I personally hope to see something very very different. -
As a recreation, it is an exclusive activity available only to the select few who can afford it. As a sport, it does not improve aerobic fitness and there are many better and healthier alternatives. A champion F1 racer is no more likely to pass the IPPT than one who takes up jogging.
Just wanna clear the misconception that F1 drivers are so called 'unfit' because they just DRIVE only rite?
For your info, when u r going at average speeds of 200km/h reaching top speeds of 330km/h, ur heart rate increases to almost 160-190 beats per min. Imagine going at this heart rate for 1 1/2 hrs(average time for a race). Adding to this is the G-forces of 2.5-3 acting on the drivers' head when they negotiate corners at such high speeds. They have specialized neck exercises where they lift weights up to 25kg using their neck power only.
F1 driver not fit? Think again...
PS:Sry to those who felt this post was irrelevant.i could not resist the urge not to reply as im an ardent F1 fan
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Originally posted by forumer84:
You should read this statement taken from the official formula one website:
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Just wanna clear the misconception that F1 drivers are so called 'unfit' because they just DRIVE only rite?
For your info, when u r going at average speeds of 200km/h reaching top speeds of 330km/h, ur heart rate increases to almost 160-190 beats per min. Imagine going at this heart rate for 1 1/2 hrs(average time for a race). Adding to this is the G-forces of 2.5-3 acting on the drivers' head when they negotiate corners at such high speeds. They have specialized neck exercises where they lift weights up to 25kg using their neck power only.
F1 driver not fit? Think again...
PS:Sry to those who felt this post was irrelevant.i could not resist the urge not to reply as im an ardent F1 fan [/b]
"...The most dependable form of exercise for drivers is aerobic work - running, swimming and, increasingly, cycling, as epitomised by Red Bull driver Mark Webber....."
Yes, most F1 drivers are physically fit; but they do not get that fitness by racing. If you want to get fit, F1 motoring is not the way to go...you do it the way thousands of others do...running, swimming, cycling.... -
You still can't deny that it takes a really fit guy to drive an F1 car at competitive speeds. And it's certainly better than darts world championships, which has a number of pasty fat men.
I forgot to add that those cars are driven for up to 2 hours in fireproof overalls and a crash helmet. I can't think of another sport where it gets as hot as 70 degrees Celcius - apart from sauna endurance tests. -
wow, i din know such are considered 'different' to u!Originally posted by Gazelle:Haw Par Villa, Sentosa Volcano, Giant Merlion, Tang Village are all very different isnt it? but unfortunately being different doesnt always mean success.
or even considered as ideas at all!
no offence.
obviously, u know i meant more than these. -
quote:As a recreation, it is an exclusive activity available only to the select few who can afford it. As a sport, it does not improve aerobic fitness and there are many better and healthier alternatives.A champion F1 racer is no more likely to pass the IPPT than one who takes up jogging.
Bro,ur missing my point.Obviously u cant attain that fitness by racing. Its like saying if u wan to get fit, go join the Standard Chartered Marathon. Duh? You gotta first train up to the level of fitness which the sport requires . However, ur reply (the one in bold) implied dat F1 drivers were deemed not so fit, exanple when compared to soccer players, tennis players etc.
[quote]You should read this statement taken from the official formula one website:
"...The most dependable form of exercise for drivers is aerobic work - running, swimming and, increasingly, cycling, as epitomised by Red Bull driver Mark Webber....."
Yes, most F1 drivers are physically fit; but they do not get that fitness by racing. If you want to get fit, F1 motoring is not the way to go...you do it the way thousands of others do...running, swimming, cycling...
Anyway, i was just using ur quote as an example. no offence to you. cos i hv come across too many pple who say "F1 driver fit meh? Juz drive onli mah.. need so fit for wat"
Just some quotes from the Official Formula 1 Website:
"Formula One drivers are some of the most highly conditioned athletes on earth, their bodies specifically adapted to the very exacting requirements of top-flight single-seater motor racing.
All drivers who enter Formula One need to undergo a period of conditioning to the physical demands of the sport: no other race series on earth requires so much of its drivers in terms of stamina and endurance. The vast loadings that Formula One cars are capable of creating, anything up to a sustained 3.5 g of cornering force, for example, means drivers have to be enormously strong to be able to last for full race distances. The extreme heat found in a Formula One c-o-c-kpit, especially at the hotter rounds of the championship, also puts vast strain on the body: Drivers can sweat off anything up to 3kg of their body weight during the course of a race." -
Tell me where can you find a Haw Par Villa other than Singapore. Have you ever seen a merlion outside singapore?Originally posted by NuLife:wow, i din know such are considered 'different' to u!
or even considered as ideas at all!
no offence.
obviously, u know i meant more than these.
Maybe you want to give us some example of something different? Please dont suggest that Singapore has to build a pyramid, Taj Mahal, or Great Wall of Singapore. -
The fact is that those drivers have to be pretty damned fit to put up with the demands of driving those cars and are therefore a sight more likely to pass the IPPT than Lim Ah Kow who puts his SAF New Balance shoes on and potters about the East Coast track every second Sunday morning. Yes, that last statement was hyperbole, and it's deliberately so to reflect your original statement.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:You should read this statement taken from the official formula one website:
"...[b]The most dependable form of exercise for drivers is aerobic work - running, swimming and, increasingly, cycling, as epitomised by Red Bull driver Mark Webber....."
Yes, most F1 drivers are physically fit; but they do not get that fitness by racing. If you want to get fit, F1 motoring is not the way to go...you do it the way thousands of others do...running, swimming, cycling.... [/b][/quote]
You wrote:
[quote]Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
A champion F1 racer is no more likely to pass the IPPT than one who takes up jogging. -
I trust you can read English but perhaps you need to brush up on your comprehension. I maintain that a champion F1 racer is no more likely to pass the IPPT than one who takes up jogging.Originally posted by Gedanken:The fact is that those drivers have to be pretty damned fit to put up with the demands of driving those cars and are therefore a sight more likely to pass the IPPT than Lim Ah Kow who puts his SAF New Balance shoes on and potters about the East Coast track every second Sunday morning. Yes, that last statement was hyperbole, and it's deliberately so to reflect your original statement.
As the F1 website admits, a champion racer maintains his fitness notby racing around the track but by 'aerobic work - running, swimming and, increasingly, cycling'. If Lim Ah Kow puts in the same amount of aerobic exercise as that F1 racer does outside of the racetrack, there is no reason why he should not do as well at the IPPT.
Yes, a champion F1 driver is physically fit, but he does not achieve his fitness by racing. He has to get fit in order to win at the race. Of all people, you should have been able to make that simple distinction. -
The likelihood of having the race in Singapore takes a tumble upon safety concerns. This comment comes from a driver who knows what he is talking about. With the amount of floodlights needed to light up the streets and the amount of engineering needed to make the roads safe for such a race, the environmental costs and disruption will also be considerable. Perhaps it is just as well that we do not host the event...
SEPANG (Malaysia) - World champion Fernando Alonso spoke out on Saturday against plans for Formula One to race at night on city streets.
The McLaren driver was responding to a question on Singapore's bid to stage a Grand Prix under floodlights. A decision is expected after this weekend's Malaysian Grand Prix.
'I think for me, it is impossible,' the Spaniard told reporters after qualifying on the front row for Sunday's race at Sepang circuit. 'I think there is a huge safety issue racing in the streets.'
'We are trying to develop tracks to make it safer. We are changing corners in Barcelona for safety reasons and now we want to go to the streets. Something is going wrong there.' Alonso said he was surprised few people had addressed the technical issues concerned with having so many floodlights trying to mimic daylight.
'Racing at night requires a huge amount of light,' he said.
'No one has thought that something might happen if the lights go out. It is not a football match,' he added.
'I think there are many, many things to sort out before night racing becomes a reality.'
McLaren team boss Ron Dennis said he was keeping an open mind on the prospect of night racing but advised world governing body, the International Automobile Federation, against making the sport a testing ground.
'I would hope that any venue considering (night racing) would probably first host a GP2 race or some other race that brings out the validity of that concept,' said Dennis.
'I don't think it should go directly to Formula One. That would be irresponsible.' -- REUTERS
Straits Times, 7 Apr -
However, we still maintain that LAK is nowhere as likely to last 90 minutes at competitive speeds in an F1 car than any of the drivers on the grid. It's simply on a different level.
And it's not just aerobics. There's a clip from Renault which also shows their drivers twirling dead weights in their hands, then lifting them with their necks, and then more exercises to test their reactions.
There are other drivers who are for the concept, but the latest news from the grapevine anyway is that it'll be held just before sunset.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:I trust you can read English but perhaps you need to brush up on your comprehension. I maintain that a champion F1 racer is no more likely to pass the IPPT than one who takes up jogging.
As the F1 website admits, a champion racer maintains his fitness not by racing around the track but by 'aerobic work - running, swimming and, increasingly, cycling'. If Lim Ah Kow puts in the same amount of aerobic exercise as that F1 racer does outside of the racetrack, there is no reason why he should not do as well at the IPPT.
Yes, a champion F1 driver is physically fit, but he does not achieve his fitness by racing. He has to get fit in order to win at the race. Of all people, you should have been able to make that simple distinction. -
How does that overcome the safety issue? Holding it at dusk will be just as dangerous...remember these cars have no headlights. You will have to flood the entire track with light. Apart from the huge electricity bill and environmental costs, the world champion was concerned about the possibility of an electrical failure. They may have to build an alternative power grid to tap electricity from in that unlikely event.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:There are other drivers who are for the concept, but the latest news from the grapevine anyway is that it'll be held just before sunset. -
You should remember what the lighting from 4.30 - 6.30 p.m. is like; it's bright enough. And it's similar to that at the grand prix at Suzuka. It was held from 2.30 - 4.30 p.m. in late October.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:How does that overcome the safety issue? Holding it at dusk will be just as dangerous...remember these cars have no headlights. You will have to flood the entire track with light. Apart from the huge electricity bill and environmental costs, the world champion was concerned about the possibility of an electrical failure. They may have to build an alternative power grid to tap electricity from in that unlikely event.
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Though i like F1 a lot, i think the idea of holding an F1 race here, right in the middle of the city centre, surrounded by high-rise buildings and cramped roads and wat have u not, is RIDICULOUS. The negative externalities far exceed the positive ones. Does gahment tink we hv a lot of land? Or dat its trying to make singhubpore a "monaco of the east"?
Some more they want to make it a night race. No surprise at this idea from the pple at the top, in the hope of making it the "world's first F1 night race".
For fcuk? For us? For tourists? More tourists =>revenue rise=>only the" few good men" of this empire richer . Majority of singhubporeans slog =>no pay rise, no change in qualty of life. -
OM has been in the UK so long, he thinks the sun in singapore sets at 3pm.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:You should remember what the lighting from 4.30 - 6.30 p.m. is like; it's bright enough. And it's similar to that at the grand prix at Suzuka. It was held from 2.30 - 4.30 p.m. in late October. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Seems to me like you're the one in need of comprehension lessons - you can't even comprehend what you have written yourself.
I trust you can read English but perhaps you need to brush up on your comprehension. I maintain that a champion F1 racer is no more likely to pass the IPPT than one who takes up jogging.
As the F1 website admits, a champion racer maintains his fitness [b]notby racing around the track but by 'aerobic work - running, swimming and, increasingly, cycling'. If Lim Ah Kow puts in the same amount of aerobic exercise as that F1 racer does outside of the racetrack, there is no reason why he should not do as well at the IPPT.
Yes, a champion F1 driver is physically fit, but he does not achieve his fitness by racing. He has to get fit in order to win at the race. Of all people, you should have been able to make that simple distinction.[/b]
Owing to the environment in which F1 drivers work, the prerequisite level of fitness to be on the grid far exceeds that of passing the IPPT. By definition, any F1 driver would be fit enough to pass the IPPT, regardless of his fitness regieme.
On the other hand, "one who takes up jogging" is another one of your characteristically vague references. Yes, Said Aouita, Roger Bannister and Steve Moneghetti all took up jogging, but so did Lim Ah Kow. Just because you are "one who takes up jogging" doesn't necessarily mean that you can win the Boston Marathon, run the four-minute mile nor pass the IPPT.
Now do please learn to read and write properly. -
Anyway, back to the topic.
The financial viability of holding an F1 race in Singapore is not a given thing - it's up to the powers-that-be to manage it properly and make some money out of it.
Would I want an F1 race in Singapore if I was living there? Probably. You still see a lot more of what's going on by watching it on your telly, but petrolheads would love the experience of being trackside.
The real problem I have with all of this is the night racing idea. For all of these years, Bernie and his flunkies have been pushing the line about making F1 an international sport. That's well and good, but suddenly he's come up with this boneheaded idea of night races so that the viewers in Europe won't have to be inconvenienced? International sport my arse - that's the most Eurocentric idea this evil Andy Warhol has come up with yet.
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so many points are bring out in here?
as of topic, IMPACT. i am only thinking do i have to subsidies the event in any form? as the ball are push to the private sector now, do they want it? if yes, the fund to get the race on and running. they have to pay for it. it bring in the money for them and i think they will, but if i need to subsidies the event and it do not bring in the money for me, why should i? -
wonder what other event that singapore hold attracts the world's attention?
why worry about not able to shop during race period? how is F1 race gona affect our daily living? Is the race gona be forever or just a few days each year? quite amaze and amuse that there are so many virtually unreasonable complain kings in singapore. And our poor govt.... support gana complain, don't support also gana complain. Can the expert advise how much of our country man and woman individual hard earn money being suck by the govt & elites by holding F1? if Suntec - Padang is not a good venue then maybe can consider Tuas.... somemore can have special performance.. F1 vs F16.
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Machiam Top Gear sia.Originally posted by audiovideo:if Suntec - Padang is not a good venue then maybe can consider Tuas.... somemore can have special performance.. F1 vs F16. -
I really loved the Lotus vs the Apache episode.Originally posted by Gedanken:Machiam Top Gear sia.
Anyway, sunset for Singapore is generally around 1915hrs. Lighting conditions only begin to deteroriate after 1830.
If we are talking about the City Center, ambient lighting is adequate for driving at such speeds till 1800hrs. We could have lighting at places like Suntec roundabout and the areas outside Ritz Carlton and the SCC sliproad.Other places should be fine.
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Can I hold the F1 event outside your house (or workplace), closed all surrounding roads, divert all bus services, subject you to security checks every day you arrive home after work (or every morning when you arrive at work)? And have thousands of people arriving in your neighbourhood, lots of litter, noise from the crowds and event till late nights?Originally posted by audiovideo:wonder what other event that singapore hold attracts the world's attention?
why worry about not able to shop during race period? how is F1 race gona affect our daily living? Is the race gona be forever or just a few days each year? quite amaze and amuse that there are so many virtually unreasonable complain kings in singapore. And our poor govt.... support gana complain, don't support also gana complain. Can the expert advise how much of our country man and woman individual hard earn money being suck by the govt & elites by holding F1? if Suntec - Padang is not a good venue then maybe can consider Tuas.... somemore can have special performance.. F1 vs F16.
Compare F1 to those 7th month getai, I think those getai is nothing. -
Yes please! I'd like to see them cars do 250km/h along lim tua tow road.Originally posted by phber:Can I hold the F1 event outside your house (or workplace), closed all surrounding roads, divert all bus services, subject you to security checks every day you arrive home after work (or every morning when you arrive at work)? And have thousands of people arriving in your neighbourhood, lots of litter, noise from the crowds and event till late nights?
Compare F1 to those 7th month getai, I think those getai is nothing.