You seriously got to be kidding me!
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Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:
66.6% of Singaporeans who had the opportunity of voting
LOL was talking with my mum over the phone (I'm now overseas) and I asked her about the latest development over the minister's pay raise, guess what, even she, a die hard PAP fan was pissed.
I hope for once, 66.6% of Singaporeans will wake up and see who are the real tyrants... who are the ones who constantly think of their own pockets only.
[b]MONEY FACED GOVERNMENT![/b]
Not 66.6% of all Singaporeans.
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Our scenerio is like Cao Cao or Sima Yi regime. Singapore need to find one Liu Bei and then Zhuge Liang to counter them.
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Hehe, technically speaking we are suffering because of the decision made by the minority in Singapore...Originally posted by charlize:66.6% of Singaporeans who had the opportunity of voting
Not 66.6% of all Singaporeans. -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:What talking u?
It will all be forgotten in the 2011 elections. Ur mum will too. -
These people may have high qualification certs in particular profession, but the way they make decision shown that they are not talent in governing.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Hehe, technically speaking we are suffering because of the decision made by the minority in Singapore... -
What did anyone expect? Our education system only succeeds in producing people who don't think too much about their surroundings. Even if something gets stolen from them they also won't know.Originally posted by (human):These people may have high qualification certs in particular profession, but the way they make decision shown that they are not talent in governing. -
Well, they are quite creative people, coming up with things like mee siam mai hum and increasing GST is to help the poor.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:What did anyone expect? Our education system only succeeds in producing people who don't think too much about their surroundings. Even if something gets stolen from them they also won't know. -
Sometimes you wonder if the Thais did the right thing to Thaksin. He could have been another Mr Lee...Originally posted by Rock^Star:What talking u?
It will all be forgotten in the 2011 elections. Ur mum will too. -
I may not be Thai but one thing for sure, they are more free-spirited than us repressed citizens. They won't take it lying down that their national telco has been sold to a foreign govt all for the sake of one man's greed.
But here?!? If LHL increases his salary to $5 mil, no one can protest too much. Then some fcuk sh.it idiot will then say, "It's only an extra $5 from every citizen's pocket per month, relax."
Or some old "one foot in the grave" fogey will say, "I SAY YOU DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF PROPORTION ! "(with reference to our $210 billion economy). -
They are but an insignificant minority.Originally posted by charlize:Well, they are quite creative people, coming up with things like mee siam mai hum and increasing GST is to help the poor. -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
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I may not be Thai but one thing for sure, they are more free-spirited than us repressed citizens. They won't take it lying down that their national telco has been sold to a foreign govt all for the sake of one man's greed.
But here?!? If LHL increases his salary to $5 mil, no one can protest too much. Then some fcuk sh.it idiot will then say, "It's only an extra $5 from every citizen's pocket per month, relax."
Or some old "one foot in the grave" fogey will say, [b]"I SAY YOU DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF PROPORTION ! "(with reference to our $210 billion economy).[/b]
I agree with what you said... there is nothing that Singaporeans can do.
The PAP is moving heading... but leaving us the people behind...
MAJULAH SENDIRI! Singaporeans mati tak penting!
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Please don't insult the mafia - at least, the mafia doesn't go round interfering in your life lest you choose to get involved with them and they certainly don't have the backing of the constitution to exploit you...Originally posted by ShutterBug:If you ask me, I say these aren't leaders....
They act and do things more like Mafias... -
hmm senior ministers have their pay pegged to top executives... but these top executives are top earners because of their superior performance on the job.
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Hahaha.. yah man..Originally posted by walesa:Please don't insult the mafia - at least, the mafia doesn't go round interfering in your life lest you choose to get involved with them and they certainly don't have the backing of the constitution to exploit you...
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Maybe the govt should list out the kind of reason for the 800 Sporean why they like to migrate to other countries instead of staying in Spore.
We already have Sporean selling or renting out their HDB flats n chose to buy a property in Malaysia despite the crime rate in area. -
I don't think they will do that...Originally posted by will4:Maybe the govt should list out the kind of reason for the 800 Sporean why they like to migrate to other countries instead of staying in Spore.
We already have Sporean selling or renting out their HDB flats n chose to buy a property in Malaysia despite the crime rate in area.
Why would they want, the opninions and reasons from people whom they label as QUITTERS?? -
Hahaha this morning I just got squeezed to death in the train. That happened too two weeks ago too. And I do not think today will be my last encounter with such happenings. And this is only a population of around 4.5million.Originally posted by charlize:It's like transport ministers who say that we can squeeze more people into the MRTs and buses when they themselves don't take public transport.
Once we really hit the target of 6.5million... hahahaha. Wanna guess what will happen?
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Some of these so called quitters also professionals n when they left to other countries, they also bring along their area of expertise to the new countries.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I don't think they will do that...
Why would they want, the opninions and reasons from people whom they label as QUITTERS??
In here, some of the immigrants after obtaining their PR refused to convert to citizenship. -
Can you imagine for a moment you get to set your own exam questions, sit for the exam and eventually grade your own script?Originally posted by pwnz0r:how do you gauge performance of these ministers?
Well, that's how the performance of such criminals are gauged... -
PM, ministers to get pay rise of between 14% and 33%
SINGAPORE : The annual salaries of the prime minister and ministers will be increased by between 14% and 33%, with the average pay rise of 25%.
For civil servants, about two-thirds of them will get between 3% and 5 % pay increases.
Revealing the details in Parliament, Minister-in-Charge of the Civil Service Teo Chee Hean said the adjustments will take effect from this month, with a second revision at year's end.
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong earned $2.5 million last year; after the revision, he will draw $3.1 million this year.
President SR Nathan will get $3.2 million dollars, this is up from the current $2.5 million while both Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Kwan Yew who earned $2.7 million each last year, will now get paid $3.04 million each.
In his ministerial speech, Mr Teo said competitive wages have helped attract and retain able people in government and the competitive advantage must be maintained.
Describing the Public Service as a progressive employer, Mr Teo said its human resource management practices must keep pace and competitive wages have to be paid, along with the proper development and training to improve and stretch themselves so that they can better contribute to their agencies and ultimately to serve the people of Singapore.
Pointing out that the last major salary revision for the Civil Service was seven years ago, renumeration has since fallen behind their benchmarks which are set out in the White Paper on 'Competitive Salaries for Competent and Honest Government' in 1994.
The benchmarks follow economic and employment market conditions up and down and after calculating the benchmark figure, a check against private sector income earners is made.
Mr Teo said that having taken a comprehensive look at all the schemes, attrition rates and wage levels relative to their respective market comparisons, the decision made was not to have a uniform across-the-board revision, but for adjustments that are made according to the needs of the individual scheme such as to counter attrition or where wages are lagging the market.
In addition, salary structures will be brought more in line with the philosophy of linking pay to performance and only those who have performed beyond the satisfactory level will receive a performance-based payment.
Therefore, the starting salary for a graduate with a Good Honours degree who is appointed to the Management Executive Scheme, will see a 10% rise, the starting salaries of other graduate schemes as well as that of officers who have been appointed recently will also be adjusted according to their market benchmarks.
Officers in the Civil Service such as those in the Education Service, the Corporate Support Scheme and the Operations Support Scheme, will also see a pay adjustment of 3-5% in their annual salaries which will be performance-based.
In addition, civil servants will continue to receive their annual increment and the mid year annual variable payment, and like other Singaporeans, they will enjoy the 1.5% increase in the employer CPF contribution from July this year.
The payments will be made next month, in May.
Mr Teo also highlighted a group of Civil Service schemes which is lagging the market, namely the Management Executive Scheme, the Management Support scheme, the Home Uniformed Services, and the Foreign Service, which collectively account for almost one-third of the officers in the civil service.
Salaries in the Management Executive Scheme, he said, need an upward adjustment of 16% this year and as a first step, there will be a 5-8% adjustment which will be in the form of a performance-based payment of 0.75-1.25 months of salary.
Changes to the Management Support Scheme and Technical Support Scheme, which employ officers with diploma qualifications will also see a revision with a performance-based payment of 0.5 - 1 month, while those in the Home Affairs Uniformed Services, comprising the Police, Prisons, Civil Defence and Narcotics services, where wages are also lagging, adjustments amounting to 10-13% will be carried out and come in the form of a performance-based payment of 0.75 - 1.5 months.
The Singapore Armed Forces and Foreign Service will make similar salary adjustments with Foreign Service officers receiving a market adjustment of 0.75 months.
Turning to the Administrative Service which Mr Teo described as the core of the Public Service, he said such officers are expected to not only carry out their primary jobs well, but to also actively lead, participate and contribute to inter-agency issues and service-wide initiatives.
However, their salaries which were last adjusted in 2000 have fallen behind their benchmarks which are pegged to the SR9 grade and MR4 grade.
The SR9 grade which is the entry level into the Superscale grades of civil servants is benchmarked against the salary of the 15th person, aged 32 years, from 6 professions, namely bankers, lawyers, engineers, accountants, employees of MNCs and local manufacturers. This benchmark which dipped in 2004 - 2005, but has since risen, currently stands at $361,000.
The second benchmark, the MR4 grade or Staff Grade I, which is the grade at which senior Permanent Secretaries and entry-level ministers are paid, is defined as two-thirds of the median salary among the top 8 earners in banking, law, engineering and accountancy, as well as employees of MNCs and local manufacturers. This benchmark is currently $2.2 million.
Mr Teo said salaries at the MR4 level have stayed at $1.2 million, the same level as in 2001 which means salaries are now at 55% of the benchmark.
However, he said since it is not realistic to close the gap fully in one go due to the large gap, the first step will be to increase the annual salaries for MR4 grades and above, by an average of 25%, this brings the annual salary to $1.6 million.
The revisions will be made through adjustments to both monthly salaries and annual components with monthly salaries for the MR4 grade and above being increased by an average of 15%, with the percentage increase tapering off for the higher grades.
In addition, the restructuring will remove components which are no longer relevant such as a Car Allowance, and will build up performance-linked elements.
Mr Teo said the GDP Bonus will be raised to 3%,with the bonus given only if the economy grows by 5% and payment remaining at zero if the economy grows by 2% or less.
At the same time, the Performance Bonus which will apply to all appointment holders, the Administrative Service, as well as senior officers in all ministries and statutory boards will go up by two months to a norm of 7 months.
As for Administrative Officers salaries' at the Superscale entry grade or SR9, Mr Teo said they have stayed close to the benchmark level, and as such there will not be any adjustment to the monthly salaries at this grade or in the grades below.
However, there will be a performance-based payment of 0.5 to 0.75 month, in line with other civil servants whose schemes are at or close to their benchmarks. This payment, together with the higher GDP bonus paid out this year, will raise annual SR9 salaries by 3% to $384,000 and 36% will be variable depending on how well the economy and the individual performs.
In addition, the allowance for Members of Parliament which is pegged to the Administrative Service SR9 grade will be raised from the current $11,900 to $13,200.
The GDP Bonus will also be extended to MPs, so as to link their annual package to the state of the economy, with MPs getting a one month GDP bonus if the GDP grows at 5%, but if GDP growth is 2% or less, there will be nothing.
All the adjustments will increase the Government's wage bill by about $214 million or 4.7 % for the Civil Service and $10.5 million (or 23%) for political appointment holders .
Mr Teo said the objective of the pay revision is to keep it competitive with private sector salaries.
Singapore's competitive wages have helped to bring in and retain able people in government and the public service.
He said the policy has served the nation well, so it's vital that Singapore maintains this competitive advantage of a clean, effective and efficient public service.
This will ensure a team of good people to develop the vision and execute the plans. -
true... and even if you get one wrong , nobody will know about it. any wrongs comes to non-existent and every rights are blown heavily out of proportion. propaganda i tell ya.Originally posted by walesa:Can you imagine for a moment you get to set your own exam questions, sit for the exam and eventually grade your own script?
Well, that's how the performance of such criminals are gauged...
how can we voice out our opinion? here's of no use as they pretend they hear nothing. How about doing a demonstration in town one day? i'll surely be dead by the time that day comes. -
They probably do that thinking it will discredit the quitters.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I don't think they will do that...
Why would they want, the opninions and reasons from people whom they label as QUITTERS??
This is of course for people like OM who think quitters are traitors/barbarians/trouble makers etc. etc. etc.
Heck, I should get a thesaurus and dig up all the synonyms. -
Durai should have followed their method, instead pattern liao liao, here siphon a bit, there siphon abit, in the end, kanna investigate.
Just come out and say, this is lim pei company, lim pei want how much, take how much, thank you for your charity. -
Originally posted by vaxjunior:BTW, I hope when he says, the money "we" have accumulated by the "sweat of our brow", he is also referring to the people of Singapore and not just the few men in white. Sheesh.
He said the last 40 years... meant himself? he haven got the reward he deem to have yet? maybe
10 million is peanuts to them?
When we quarrel about 10-20million, we have no sense of proportion.
Tats the way he speak, we can say in arrogant or threatening ways... :X
The arrogant tone in the entire speech really stings "cure is to have ...blah blah"-- like wasabi in the nose. Is it fair for the government to challenge its people to a doomsday scenario?
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give me S$3million and i will give u a solution.Originally posted by Ferguson:where are the solutions. it is irresponsible to criticise without giving solutions