Are Police Officers underpaid?
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Are they comparing apples to apples?
Police Officers have at least 32 days of leave, when others are still leaving on 18 days. The argument of 24-hr standby is totally irrelevant as they aren't always recalled (can compensate with off-days anyway), and the policy applies to policemen doing office-hour staff work as well. Almost definitely, our men-in-blue do not face much 'dangerous' actions on the streets as foreign police forces like HK and Msia.
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44. The Home Affairs Uniformed Services, comprising the Police, Prisons, Civil Defence and Narcotics services, are lagging their benchmarks by up to 26% in certain grades. As the gap is large, these services require major adjustments. These services are now dealing with more complex and challenging tasks given the threat of terrorism and the increased security measures required. We need to pay our home team officers competitively, so that the uniformed services will be well-staffed, and able to address any emergency. The first step of this adjustment will be carried out now, amounting to 10-13%.
http://app.sprinter.gov.sg/data/pr/20070409992.htm
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Annual vacation leave of 18 days and casual leave of 14 days
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Everyone in Sg ish underpaid.
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Not true. The MINISTERS and PAPs are OVER PAID.Originally posted by Manager433:Everyone in Sg ish underpaid. -
of course lah, u pay n pay, so they overpaid lahOriginally posted by Quinsy:Not true. The MINISTERS and PAPs are OVER PAID.
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but i think it is true, from what i heard, their annual increment is in term of tens of dollars for diploma holders.
if u r high flyer or degree holder, then it is another matter all together -
I have happened to know that a neighbourhood policeman who took down particulars like change of address is paid over S$2,500.00 pm. In the private sector such custom service officer will be paid at most S$1,500.00 pm without 28 days annual leave/
Now let us check: is the teacher overpaid? Is a property or town council manager overpaid? Is the car park supervisor overpaid?
A cursory survey should show that the regular teacher with some 10 years' teaching experience is paid S$8,000.00 pm whereas an adjunct teacher (same experience) is only paid S$2,000.00 pm. MOE knows of this fact and is now engaging large number of adjunct teachers not because of pays but because many adjunct teachers are doing a better job in imparting knowledge to the children -
precisely... i have no idea who the Civil Service benchmarks against...
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Police officers have 32 days of leave? Really? Or does that include all their off days from night shifts?
Can't comment on the pay of policemen.. but civil servants like teachers and social workers are seriously underpaid. They are professionals who are not even paid their worth considering the job they have to do and the stress they are under. -
While i agree our police are not the force it should be under Wong Kan Seng, i venture to think they certainly do more than take down a change in address...Originally posted by robertteh:I have happened to know that a neighbourhood policeman who took down particulars like change of address is paid over S$2,500.00 pm. In the private sector such custom service officer will be paid at most S$1,500.00 pm without 28 days annual leave/
Now let us check: is the teacher overpaid? Is a property or town council manager overpaid? Is the car park supervisor overpaid?
A cursory survey should show that the regular teacher with some 10 years' teaching experience is paid S$8,000.00 pm whereas an adjunct teacher (same experience) is only paid S$2,000.00 pm. MOE knows of this fact and is now engaging large number of adjunct teachers not because of pays but because many adjunct teachers are doing a better job in imparting knowledge to the children
Teachers.
Now that's an example of underpaid civil servants. Senior teachers are now losing the majority of their performance bonuses in lieu of younger, scholarly teachers, who are being given the cream de la creme of attention. There's dissent among the teaching community already, especially the young vs the senior...and i ain't talking about the superscale principals, inspector of schools and high ranking MOE staff; i'm referring to SENIOR TEACHERS who have taught all their life, who now have to watch their own rewards and incentives wrenched from under them and given to these upstarts. -
police is ok lah i would say either push their pay to be on par with saf or pull saf pay down to their level.
its the minister's pay thats problematic. andthe senoir serpents -
Will the police force become corrupted?
I am so very afraid now since the people at the top keep insisting that high pay is the only deterent to corruption. -
dunno what is the spf doing
the mazda car crash investigate for 17months already, now still investigating
maybe they r underpaid n overworked
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engineering, building and construction seriously under paid.
u just need to look at the construction sites and shipyards.
anyone can imagine what kind of destructive competition i faced? $16 day rate!!!!
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Yes, I think they are underpaid.
Hopefully their pay will rise and "encourage" them to solve the mx-5 killer case.
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AGREEDOriginally posted by Quinsy:Not true. The MINISTERS and PAPs are OVER PAID.
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Sad.... but i must agree. Nobody in this world will ever say they are overpaid.... just ask Bill Gates...... he will tell you he is worth every cents....Originally posted by Manager433:Everyone in Sg ish underpaid.
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Originally posted by hloc:Sad.... but i must agree. Nobody in this world will ever say they are overpaid.... just ask Bill Gates...... he will tell you he is worth every cents....
Bill Gates, he is paying himself, his own money for your info. he own what he have not like MIW.
you should feel sad that MIW "act" like him but they are not performing like him.
Second richest man on earth, Warren Buffett.
Known as "the Oracle of Omaha," Buffett is Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway and arguably the greatest investor of all time. His wealth fluctuates with the performance of the market, but for the last few years he has been reported to be worth over $30 billion, making him the second richest man in the world.
He is paying himself a USD $1.00 Director fees per year.
should we get him to run SINGAPORE?
his company share at USD $108,000.00+++ per share. not per lot
His per share prise
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tel u la.. every employee in the private sector is underpaid.. we work more than the pple in the gov sector.. sometimes we even have to work sats as well while they will be having their family day on sats and suns..
i tik even the cleaner working in the gov organisation earn even more than a diploma holder like me.. -
govt sectors jobs are well paid
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but at least this news is better than the news of minister pay increase.. in my opinion at least cos this means better pay for normal citizens (who work in the police)..
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Originally posted by Lim Beh Ka Li Kong:
Since the police officers are under paid then I think those in PDU are also under paid and overworked...
[b]Are they comparing apples to apples?
Police Officers have at least 32 days of leave, when others are still leaving on 18 days. The argument of 24-hr standby is totally irrelevant as they aren't always recalled (can compensate with off-days anyway), and the policy applies to policemen doing office-hour staff work as well. Almost definitely, our men-in-blue do not face much 'dangerous' actions on the streets as foreign police forces like HK and Msia.
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44. The Home Affairs Uniformed Services, comprising the Police, Prisons, Civil Defence and Narcotics services, are lagging their benchmarks by up to 26% in certain grades. As the gap is large, these services require major adjustments. These services are now dealing with more complex and challenging tasks given the threat of terrorism and the increased security measures required. We need to pay our home team officers competitively, so that the uniformed services will be well-staffed, and able to address any emergency. The first step of this adjustment will be carried out now, amounting to 10-13%.
http://app.sprinter.gov.sg/data/pr/20070409992.htm
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Annual vacation leave of 18 days and casual leave of 14 days
http://www.spf.gov.sg/career/enforce/enforce_benefits.htm[/b]
Yes... those dogs in the dog units... I think their bones allowances should be increase 33% too.... and they too have annual leaves and casual leave or so called doggy leave...
They should be given more bones and more meats and grooming sessions...
We really need to compare them with the top bred in the market... and they should also be given a performance bonus e.g. find more drugs, pirated vcds... -
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Well said, interesting viewpoint you have there. Now, they also:Originally posted by robertteh:I have happened to know that a neighbourhood policeman who took down particulars like change of address is paid over S$2,500.00 pm. In the private sector such custom service officer will be paid at most S$1,500.00 pm without 28 days annual leave/
i) Clear the roads of fallen trees & debris,
ii) Catch dangerous animals,
iii) Provide counselling services to wayward teens and broken families,
iv) Provide referrals for the abovementioned groups,
v) Register births and deaths,
vi) Are virtually living street directories,
vii) Personalized bodyguards,
viii) Provide first aid and healthcare,
viiii) Record affidavits for civil cases [macam lawyer]
And there are still some other tasks which have not been mentioned yet.
All of which, if you were to pay them accordingly to the professions that do the abovementioned tasks, would definitely mean only one thing: That they are indeed under-paid.
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I beg to differ.Originally posted by Tiggerific:Well said, interesting viewpoint you have there. Now, they also:
i) Clear the roads of fallen trees & debris,
ii) Catch dangerous animals,
iii) Provide counselling services to wayward teens and broken families,
iv) Provide referrals for the abovementioned groups,
v) Register births and deaths,
vi) Are virtually living street directories,
vii) Personalized bodyguards,
viii) Record affidavits for civil cases [macam lawyer]
Item (iii) (and therefore (iv)) have been outsourced to approved govt bodies; they do not provide such counselling services other than short-term trauma reviews directly caused by a criminal case.
Item (vi) is for their own good; knowledge of the land and its shortcuts can only help a policeman during a chase, lest they want the bad guys to outfox them.
For (vii), the only people who feel their protection are high-profile ministers and dignitaries, especially during 'convoy' movement.
Item (ii) is something i agree that should be removed from their job scope.
Everything else that you mentioned should fall under their list of roles and responsibilities, and then some. -
for every cent paid, there must be a justification.
its not to pay people just to make them feel good and grow a bigger head and boost about their abilities when all alone, our society has been like this....