Consolidation of all topics related to Ministers' Pay
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The current government is worth much more than you can imagine. I think the ministers' salaries are justified. You guys here are so negative. What better ideas do you have? Vote the current opposition in? That is a crazy idea. I think our discussions should instead be on how to improve the current system rather than dismantling it! For instance, how about having a transparent and publicly accountable independent body in-charge of the ISD? I feel uncomfortable of having so much power in a PM when LKY is not around
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Mine telling me why are they worth more than we can imagine? Tell us what achievements that you think is worth millions? Discount all old achievements, including HDB, CPF, etc, coz these are not built by the current govtOriginally posted by CannotTahan:The current government is worth much more than you can imagine. I think the ministers' salaries are justified. You guys here are so negative. What better ideas do you have? Vote the current opposition in? That is a crazy idea. I think our discussions should instead be on how to improve the current system rather than dismantling it! For instance, how about having a transparent and publicly accountable independent body in-charge of the ISD? I feel uncomfortable of having so much power in a PM when LKY is not around
No one ever tell you that we want to dismantle the current system. We just think that our govt has grown so arrogant that they must be taught a lesson and finally think for the people.
End of the day, ask yourself, which country in the world is so crazy as to pay their politicians so much money? We are such a small dot in the world, and we are paying the world's highest pay. Isn't this already absurb to you? -
If you ask me, the people in Thailand are happier about their Coup government than we are about our ELECTED government...
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for instance, Singapore is the only AAA rated credit in Asia. Vote in an opposition, we will lose this rating overnight. There are tax related policies which managed to attract incredible amount of money to Singapore, trillions of dollars. Our govt was around the globe gaining knowledge from state visits and then use the knowledge to implement policies which will benefit Singaporeans. How else, do you read about Singapore as Switzlerland of Asia?
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How about Singapore being the N.Korea of SEA? Singapore the brother of Myammar?Originally posted by CannotTahan:for instance, Singapore is the only AAA rated credit in Asia. Vote in an opposition, we will lose this rating overnight. There are tax related policies which managed to attract incredible amount of money to Singapore, trillions of dollars. Our govt was around the globe gaining knowledge from state visits and then use the knowledge to implement policies which will benefit Singaporeans. How else, do you read about Singapore as Switzlerland of Asia? -
there is no master without slaves. sorry, we are all in a capitalist system. lets face it. lets face it. within this system, only the fittest become the masters.
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Does the master deserve the respect that they demand? But what you said is right, the people of Singapore are slaves. Slaves to the tyranny of the Lee Family, I doubt that this powerful family will ever be overthrown due to the cowardice of these slaves. Without the proper support, as well as the suppression by the current government, there is no hope at all for an opposition system in Singapore, a so called democratic society.Originally posted by CannotTahan:there is no master without slaves. sorry, we are all in a capitalist system. lets face it. lets face it. within this system, only the fittest become the masters.
Time and time again the government has modified the election arena to their advantage. Time and time again the government has abused the trust of the people. The time of MM Lee is nearly over... I hope there will be no more votes of what the Man did in HIS TIME. I hope the people will see for themselves what the current batch of Ministers are doing in OUR TIME. -
hhmmm...are you SGismyhome in HWZ? your style look quite familar hereOriginally posted by CannotTahan:there is no master without slaves. sorry, we are all in a capitalist system. lets face it. lets face it. within this system, only the fittest become the masters.
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my cousin was living in a 3rm hdb when he was studying in NUS. Now he is living in 3 million bungalow.
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My thai friend was staying in a village. Now he is staying in a 1000-rai land with a private golf course. So what are you trying to tell us? There are success stories all over the world...Originally posted by CannotTahan:my cousin was living in a 3rm hdb when he was studying in NUS. Now he is living in 3 million bungalow. -
GST goes up 2%. Minister's pay goes up 33%.
GST goes up 2%. Peasant's pay goes up 0%.
What a pleasant picture they are painting. Covering their own asses. -
in Singapore, we dont have resources. So the best system is YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW FOR YOURSELF. The state provides you with very cheap education. If you dont study hard then work hard, be prepaeed to be hawkers and taxi drivers.
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and how does this benefit us?Originally posted by CannotTahan:for instance, Singapore is the only AAA rated credit in Asia. Vote in an opposition, we will lose this rating overnight. There are tax related policies which managed to attract incredible amount of money to Singapore, trillions of dollars. Our govt was around the globe gaining knowledge from state visits and then use the knowledge to implement policies which will benefit Singaporeans. How else, do you read about Singapore as Switzlerland of Asia?
ask ard and you find a lot of people suffering. Whatever money coming in obviously isn't flowing down to the people.
Am sorry, but if the average person is not happy, this govt isn't doing much for the people, except to fill their own coffers.
This is unlike the old achivements of the past, where the HDB ensures almost every Singaporean can have his own home, and the CPF helps the Singaporean to save up money for retirement -
I can quote you a better way of helping the poor.Originally posted by CannotTahan:The current government is worth much more than you can imagine. I think the ministers' salaries are justified. You guys here are so negative. What better ideas do you have? Vote the current opposition in? That is a crazy idea. I think our discussions should instead be on how to improve the current system rather than dismantling it! For instance, how about having a transparent and publicly accountable independent body in-charge of the ISD? I feel uncomfortable of having so much power in a PM when LKY is not around
Un-privatize the public transport system. Ensure transport prices are affordable. Distribute the cash accumulated by the public transport (after paying salaries) each year to the lowest income family.
I think that is an even better model of helping the poor.
What do we have now? $230/mth? Poor really really poor -
you didnt read the papers recently? some ELITE/TALENTED hawkers/taxi drivers are freaking rich also.....so your point is is half truthOriginally posted by CannotTahan:in Singapore, we dont have resources. So the best system is YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW FOR YOURSELF. The state provides you with very cheap education. If you dont study hard then work hard, be prepaeed to be hawkers and taxi drivers.
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survival is money, isn't it?
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SUSTAIN is the word , half correct againOriginally posted by CannotTahan:survival is money, isn't it? -
Just what is your point?Originally posted by CannotTahan:survival is money, isn't it? -
whether you become a master or slave depends on many factors. most of them are on YOURSELF, not on others or the government. So I dont agree that our government should be seen as masters and we are slaves. You have mis-interpreted my "master and slaves" message
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So that means the Masters can increase their salaries anytime? At a time when most people are struggling with the rising cost of living? At a time when FTs are given priorities over the very people of Singapore?Originally posted by CannotTahan:whether you become a master or slave depends on many factors. most of them are on YOURSELF, not on others or the government. So I dont agree that our government should be seen as masters and we are slaves. You have mis-interpreted my "master and slaves" message
I am awaiting the time the 'masters' fall at the hands of the 'slaves'. -
The world has changed since our independence. Money flows at lightning speed today. The ability to attract and "hold" the money is an achievement. These monies do not belong to Singaporeans. So you dont see them going to our pockets. What it does bring is employment and higher salaries, of course first in the banking sector. By doing this, we are de-coupling from China and India's competition. The immediate impact is the private residential properties, first in the prime districts, because foreign monies already bought. The longer term impact is continuing climbing residential property prices including HDB , year after year. What do you prefer? Certainly a HDB flat worth about the same as a private apartment in in the future.Originally posted by soul_rage:and how does this benefit us? -
The world has changed since our independence. Money flows at lightning speed today. The ability to attract and "hold" the money is an achievement. These monies do not belong to Singaporeans. So you dont see them going to our pockets. What it does bring is employment and higher salaries, of course first in the banking sector. By doing this, we are de-coupling from China and India's competition. The immediate impact is the private residential properties, first in the prime districts, because foreign monies already bought. The longer term impact is continuing climbing residential property prices including HDB , year after year. What do you prefer? Certainly a HDB flat worth about the same as a private apartment in London in the future.
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Originally posted by CannotTahan:
Huh? I wouldn't say that HDB resale prices are very low... yeah I also agree that money flows at lighting speed ... into the pockets of the government.
The world has changed since our independence. Money flows at lightning speed today. The ability to attract and "hold" the money is an achievement. These monies do not belong to Singaporeans. So you dont see them going to our pockets. What it does bring is employment and higher salaries, of course first in the banking sector. By doing this, we are de-coupling from China and India's competition. The immediate impact is the private residential properties, first in the prime districts, because foreign monies already bought. The longer term impact is continuing climbing residential property prices including HDB , year after year. What do you prefer? Certainly a HDB flat worth about the same as a private apartment in London in the future.[b][/b]
Did the government not attract talents in the past? How much did they use to pay those talents? Look at the 'talents' now... I prefer to called them elites detached from the harsh realities facing most Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by CannotTahan:
The monies do not belong to the govt. The private sector works hard to bring in money and further investment. Do not discredit the average Singaporean's contributions. Without the commoners, where will there be a govt that can sit there and earn so much money, without the risks?
The world has changed since our independence. Money flows at lightning speed today. The ability to attract and "hold" the money is an achievement. These monies do not belong to Singaporeans. So you dont see them going to our pockets. What it does bring is employment and higher salaries, of course first in the banking sector. By doing this, we are de-coupling from China and India's competition. The immediate impact is the private residential properties, first in the prime districts, because foreign monies already bought. The longer term impact is continuing climbing residential property prices including HDB , year after year. What do you prefer? Certainly a HDB flat worth about the same as a private apartment in London in the future.[b][/b]
Also, it does not necessarily bring employment, much less higher salaries. Most singaporeans salaries have been stagnated even though the economy is getting better, and many jobs are taken away by foreigners coz the govt does not trust their own people.
So what if the HDB is worth the same as a private apartment? HDB is meant to be affordable, so that the average Singaporean can afford it.
End of the day, pls remember, this is a govt, NOT a private corporation. The govt's duty is to ensure all Singaporeans are having a good living, and not only giving elites opportunities to become rich. -
oh okay, since you say that we should depend on ourselves. Let me give you a simple analogyOriginally posted by CannotTahan:in Singapore, we dont have resources. So the best system is YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW FOR YOURSELF. The state provides you with very cheap education. If you dont study hard then work hard, be prepaeed to be hawkers and taxi drivers.
If you are in a 2-star or 3-star hotel, and you are paying that sort of price, your expectations of the service are low, basically, you will be more willing to do many things yourself.
However, it is different in a 5-star or 6-star hotel, when you are paying astronomical prices. You expect them to do everything for you as far as possible.
Similarly, for the govt, its the same. If they pay themselves so much, then they have no moral right to ask singaporeans to take care of themselves, coz we are paying astronomical prices for the service, and we expect good or excellent service.
If they want Singaporeans to be more independent, then do not take that much money.
Just one cheap education and you are telling me they should be paid so much? That is the only good thing, medical costs are escalating, transport costs escalating.
Heck, our govt is outsourcing so many things, why then are we required to pay them, sincethey have outsourced so many stuff and have less things to worry about?
Pls remember statistics. Singapore's STANDARD OF LIVING is only ranked 34th in the world. That is a TRUE statistics, and reflects truly that the govt isn't doing well in improving the lives of the people