RMAF MiG-29 can down an RSAF F-16 easily with one shot...
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@##$%^!... u can read can't u? so read the bloody FAQ lah! act so high and mighty wanna tell us ALL about your marvellous capabilities but don't even have the initiative to read the FAQ.
We already told u how to post your !@#$% pictures! you just refuse to read all the posts properly!
Quote from ExcoBTW when you are typing a reply, look for a button labelled "Img". Thats how you post a pic, read the FAQ for more info.[/img] [/quote]
type [ img ] and the url of your image. then, type [ / img ]
just shows what a marvellously spastic individual u are...
[quote]Originally posted by HARIMAU:If still there's no ones could teach me how to post picture.well ...it really shows that Sgs are affraid of their own shadow.How well it might look if i post this in the 'other famous international forum'.
BTW what kind of bullshits you're talking about-i never doubt or said that RSAF got AIM7/AIM120?????I just want to show you boys -about RMAF weapons. -
Show us. Then what are you waiting for? The truth is palm oil will never get you what hard currency can. So till the day the Mat land has enough hard currency. Just make do with 2nd or 3rd rate equipment.Originally posted by HARIMAU:If still there's no ones could teach me how to post picture.well ...it really shows that Sgs are affraid of their own shadow.How well it might look if i post this in the 'other famous international forum'.
BTW what kind of bullshits you're talking about-i never doubt or said that RSAF got AIM7/AIM120?????I just want to show you boys -about RMAF weapons. -
harimau is just stupid
Joe Black , the FAS site dont know those facts correct also or not
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Shows you what?????pictures of the r77???????dont you assholer read my 'whole' posting????
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HArimau. you remind me of a dog called Mat hathirOriginally posted by HARIMAU:Shows you what?????pictures of the r77???????dont you assholer read my 'whole' posting???? -
Lolz~!!!Originally posted by Matlaysia:HArimau. you remind me of a dog called Mat hathir
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No lah, they are just blinded by nationalism until they couldn't see the picture and deny the facts which are detrimental to their country.... dun blame them guys, lets go about our normal lives...
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political issues will b beri diifuclt thing to b resolve.
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HEY! i thought the chicken-shit said he had pictures... bah... probably some sleaze of him humping a mountain goat...
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Yea, I'm still waiting for his pictures...
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in theory .....russian mig-29 hav short range with the exception of -29m , smt/ubt , mrca versions. frankly speaking, i hav not seen rmaf fulcrums armed with the amraamski into their fulrums' plyons. i still not yet c a photos of it...onli a clean config of it.
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Forget it lah....this HARIMAU has shown that hes nothing but a pussycat, or shall we say, take away the "cat" would be a more accurate description.Originally posted by EXCO:Yea, I'm still waiting for his pictures...
Picture? He challenge us to teach him how to post pics, we've answered that by teaching him, now the time for him to put his money where his mouth is...so far, no response...so typical. -
in fact, haven't seen him in any post for some time... yeah, but i really am interested to see the pic he posted about
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from Military and Arms Transfer News
Issue 95/2, 27 January 1995
INDIA TRAINS MALAYSIAN MiG-29 CREWS
India has begun training approximately 60 Royal Malaysian Air Force personnel, including aircrew and engineers, on the Russian MiG-29. Flight training has begun on MiG-29 simulators. Malaysia has ordered 18 MiG-29s.
Reference: 950113.060
INTERNATIONAL DEFENCE REVIEW
Thursday January 12, 1995
now i understand who is training them -
More from http://www.sci.fi/~fta/MiG-29-2.htm
In the Flight International (15-21 Jun94, pg 22), ex-Mikoyan Deputy Designer, Alex Velovich (see Code One, April 1993) reported from Moscow that Russian Prime Minister, Victor Chernomyrdin, has held discussions with the Chinese to overcome an impasse which has stopped the second batch buy of Su-27's. Chernomyrdin visited Beijing and tried to help negotiate on behalf of the Chinese who were stuck with a demand from the Russian State Arms Export Agency, Rosvooruzheniye, who has insisted on being paid mostly in cash (US dollars). The PLA wants a follow-on 24-26 aircraft with an eventual license for manufacture and payment based on goods-barter, not cash.
Russia's withdrawal from a "barter" or "counter-trade" solution also delayed the signing of the MiG-29 contract with the Malaysian Air Force, but it was finally signed in Kuala Lumpur on 07Jun94, by Deputy Prime Minister Oleg Soskovets with Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim. According to Vladimir Kuzmin, then General Manager of the MAPO Production Plant, less than half of the value of the contract would be paid in barter goods (around 25% palm oil, clothing, & fabric). The original agreement with Malaysia was worth $600 million for 18 x Fulcrums, and the Russians would honor a $220 million offset arrangement. All eighteen aircraft (16 single-seat and 2 dual-seat) will be delivered within 12 months which is why we have seen the re-start of the production line in Moscow move so quickly. This should also loom in the western leaderships mind of what could happen if the Russian nation mobilized again. The industry sits waiting, it is not dead and removed.
A no-cost pair of MiG-29's have already been provided to a joint-venture customer service center for maintenance technician training and research. A MiG-29 simulator is being produced by CAE Electronics, a Canadian company. The Malaysians are expected to get the full weapons fit for the MiG-29 and the importance of the sale has raised the possibility of helicopter and transport sales. Regionally, Mikoyan would now be in a better position to seek sales in Thailand, China, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Vietnam.
The Malaysian MiG-29's were at first considered to be a "fat back" Fulcrum A mod 1. By the time the aircraft started delivery in July 1995 it became clear that the RMAF MiG-29's would be basic Fulcrum A (non-fatback variety), but with MiG-29S flight control, suspension, and weapon system upgrades. Unique to Malaysia is the new reliability gear box on the engines and the flight control roll limiter and rudder enhancer. Malaysia's requirement for a multi-role fighter brought in a new MiG-29 multiple-ejector rack, similar to the one seen on the MiG-25 Foxbat, that will carry four 250 of 500 kg. bombs or stores. In the air-to-ground mode, the RMAF MiG-29's utilizes laser or radar ranging for a "Dive-Toss" type solution. No pure "CCIP" or "CCRP" like modes have been seen.
In an interview with Chris Pocock (Aviation International News) at the 1995 Dubai Air Show, Kuzmin stated that all 18 Malaysian jets were delivered on time and that each aircraft has now surpassed 100 flying hours as the RMAF pilots undergo intensive training. He also said that not one negative word has been said by the RMAF HQ or MoD. -
hmmm... says a few things but not much...
a) the Russians don't like selling hardware for palm oil (who could blame them
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b) the Russian arms industry is very much alive indeed... but since Sg was never in the habit of buying Russian hardware (except for the Iglas), i don't see how that impact us directly. Our neighbours could buy all they want... it is their money. Arms have always proliferated the world from different sources.
c) the MiGs were fine and their capabilities were decent when they were delivered... it was Malaysian logistics that did them in later... how many of them are left flying again? I forgot the numbers...
Conclusion: You can buy anything from anyone, but it takes more than that to maintain your equipment. They've always seemed rather sloppy in this respect to me... -
Anyway...let the Malaysia start to learn English first (if they are willing to accept to learn English), then try to translate those Russian manual to English, then to Malay.
By then hopefully they can come out with Malay name to replace the Russian translation to English while interpreting English word to Malay wording
Then hopefully...the Malay RMAF “ORCIFER” can try to teach them to their pilot to understand the interpreted Russian Malay.
WowÂ…even I am confusion. Anyway good luck to RMAF & hope they donÂ’t shot themselves on the leg with R77.
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I think Russian equipment is certainly up-to-standard these days, look at their Su-27, MiG-31 fighters and R-77 AAM. Good stuff, but i think Malaysia lacks the ability to train their people properly. I saw someone post in one of the threads some time ago about Malaysian pilots still having to argure about who shot who during training... not sure if its true, but if it is, it speaks volumes about their training... i'm not sure how they train their ground crew too, but i doubt it's very extensive, anyone have info about Malaysia airforce training pls comment cos i can't find training info except from forums... thanx in advance
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Its not the capabilities of Russian equipment. Its the problem of integration with our mainly Western systems, as well as design and production philosophy. Russian equipment are generally built to lower QA standards than Western systems, and life expectancy is significantly shorter than Western equivalents. Although they are generally more rugged than Western counterparts. What it means is that maintenance costs will almost be certainly higher than Western equipment, especially over time. Add this to the costs of bringing the equipment in line with the rest of Singapore's western equipment, the higher long term costs might actually negate the initial lower start up costs, as our neighbours are finding out.Originally posted by laser51088:I think Russian equipment is certainly up-to-standard these days, look at their Su-27, MiG-31 fighters and R-77 AAM. Good stuff, but i think Malaysia lacks the ability to train their people properly. I saw someone post in one of the threads some time ago about Malaysian pilots still having to argure about who shot who during training... not sure if its true, but if it is, it speaks volumes about their training... i'm not sure how they train their ground crew too, but i doubt it's very extensive, anyone have info about Malaysia airforce training pls comment cos i can't find training info except from forums... thanx in advance -
In short RSAF and every branch of Mindef wants the lowest possible TCO with a fair degree of customisation and technology transfer..Originally posted by Viper52:Its not the capabilities of Russian equipment. Its the problem of integration with our mainly Western systems, as well as design and production philosophy. Russian equipment are generally built to lower QA standards than Western systems, and life expectancy is significantly shorter than Western equivalents. Although they are generally more rugged than Western counterparts. What it means is that maintenance costs will almost be certainly higher than Western equipment, especially over time. Add this to the costs of bringing the equipment in line with the rest of Singapore's western equipment, the higher long term costs might actually negate the initial lower start up costs, as our neighbours are finding out.
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yeah...they might be able to shoot down rsaf fighters if they manage to take off in the first place!!!!Originally posted by FulcrumN:
In a one on one situation,malaysian migs can down the RSAF F-16s without firing a single missile....ha ha ha ha....
the migs can shoot down the f-16 with one round from its cannon.....
what ca nyou say about that??
BTW,im anti-RSAF...... 
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Er.....are you trying to say that the malaysian jets can be petty formidable once they are in the airOriginally posted by duntalkrubbish:yeah...they might be able to shoot down rsaf fighters if they manage to take off in the first place!!!! -
I think duntalkrubbish meant that the malaysian jets are so bad that they mignt not even be able to take off into the air.Originally posted by Mech^O^GATor:Er.....are you trying to say that the malaysian jets can be petty formidable once they are in the air -
Give them credit lah, if they can get half their MiGs up there its already an achievement! The A4s would be target practice at best, and the hornets? Ba... I won't even start. Now there is news in other forums that they will order both the Super Hornets and Su30. That ought to be fun - watch the base personnel go mad due to their lack of logistical support.Originally posted by LXC:I think duntalkrubbish meant that the malaysian jets are so bad that they mignt not even be able to take off into the air. -
We must alway see our opponent as better than us rather than underestimating.This way it motivate us to do better.Over Underestimating opponent can only result in Unforgiven mistakes and losses.Originally posted by EXCO:Give them credit lah, if they can get half their MiGs up there its already an achievement! The A4s would be target practice at best, and the hornets? Ba... I won't even start. Now there is news in other forums that they will order both the Super Hornets and Su30. That ought to be fun - watch the base personnel go mad due to their lack of logistical support.