Singapore and the Joint Strike Fighter
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Anyone got the current details......
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Don't want to tell you leh. Mudland pig very "smart", go look for it yourself.
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He is afraid we will be getting the JSF... dun worry, JSF is a definite thing... so have patience my friend, you will get your chance on telling us how to shoot down a JSF with stones from MIG29s.
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in short...sg technology is far greater than m'sia.....
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Speaking about aircraft did anyone see today's strait times regarding singapore aircraft replacement.
Whao!!the european consortium is getting real i cant imagine they set up premanent representive office in singapore just to get RSAF attention.when i saw the package Eurofighter consortium provide i m really impress all RSAF needs and requirement is all stated as part of the package except it is a new plane
.Guys i know it is new as many of u say so...i agree it is new but it is new because it has state of art avionic,material etc.Once the JSF project is completed and really for deployment or acquisition we will also be facing a new aircraft,and singapore onli acquiring at least 20 aircraft which is expected to be worth 1.2 billion.Most important y i say Ef2000 can be trusted because the british,german,spanish dun wish to fly an aircraft which is unreliable.
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Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:
Well...I would rather go for a proven system, but not another F-16. If they found some mechanical fault, they could cause the whole fleet grounded. Basically I dun put all my eggs in one basket.
Most important y i say Ef2000 can be trusted because the british,german,spanish dun wish to fly an aircraft which is unreliable.
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As for reliablity...well the british had been using the SA80 rifle for quite some time...but it still proves to be unreliable. (using as eg) -
Dassault's office in Singapore was set up long ago. They even have a SG domain name...check out www.rafale.com.sgOriginally posted by Orcishwarrior:Speaking about aircraft did anyone see today's strait times regarding singapore aircraft replacement.
Whao!!the european consortium is getting real i cant imagine they set up premanent representive office in singapore just to get RSAF attention.when i saw the package Eurofighter consortium provide i m really impress all RSAF needs and requirement is all stated as part of the package except it is a new plane
.Guys i know it is new as many of u say so...i agree it is new but it is new because it has state of art avionic,material etc.Once the JSF project is completed and really for deployment or acquisition we will also be facing a new aircraft,and singapore onli acquiring at least 20 aircraft which is expected to be worth 1.2 billion.Most important y i say Ef2000 can be trusted because the british,german,spanish dun wish to fly an aircraft which is unreliable.
ANY VIEW???
They have been sending real flying Rafales to Singapore since Asian Aerospace 1996, and flying displays since AA98, the consortium only send 2 wooden 1:1 scale models in 2000 and 2002.
As for merits of Rafale vs Typhoon, this has been debated in the Singapore at War thread, starting from Page 42 onwards. Take a read....
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I saw the rafale flew before when i visited Asian Aerospace 2002 it is petty marvellous display.That is no wooden model scale.I m veri sure.
Ah...to "wombat" nothing is 100% prefect.It is true that SA 80 rifle experience problems,but the british soldier has been using them for quite a while.Ah just clarify SA80 is a rifle and right now we are comparing a plane the slightest mistake could cause someone's life
.This typhoon project is not solely british developed aircraft but the whole consortium of developed european nations..
The F-16 incident maybe human error something this cant be avoided at all time,of course noone will nvm place all eggs in one basket that is definite.
The main advantage of EF2000 is that it can cruise at 1.0+ mach without afterburn.
Untested doesnt mean it is Unreliable. 
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Nod nod...I did not say it's unreliable. What I meant is although other pple might use them, it may be a while before they iron out any design shortcomings.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:I saw the rafale flew before when i visited Asian Aerospace 2002 it is petty marvellous display.That is no wooden model scale.I m veri sure.
Ah...to "wombat" nothing is 100% prefect.It is true that SA 80 rifle experience problems,but the british soldier has been using them for quite a while.Ah just clarify SA80 is a rifle and right now we are comparing a plane the slightest mistake could cause someone's life
.This typhoon project is not solely british developed aircraft but the whole consortium of developed european nations..
The F-16 incident maybe human error something this cant be avoided at all time,of course noone will nvm place all eggs in one basket that is definite.
The main advantage of EF2000 is that it can cruise at 1.0+ mach without afterburn.
Untested doesnt mean it is Unreliable.
What SAF decides to buy, we can only wait and see. Just hope that they dun keep us in suspense too long. -
1 thing 4 sure: f-35 going to replace f-16 in the future.
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Hey wat abt replacements for our F-5s?Originally posted by duotiga83:1 thing 4 sure: f-35 going to replace f-16 in the future.
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i not veri sure....
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RSAF said that JSF will replace F-16 in future but i doubt that.Present Singapore's F-16 standard can be still (somehow) graded as in between old/new generation jet fighter.
I think lots of F-5 will be in the scrap metal yard but RSAF might retain some with purpose/job for these planes to do since F-5 is very small it makes them an ideal aircraft to take aerial photo/shot from high altitude and recon mission
i would say like a SPY plane.
F-5 can also be taken as a trainer jet to train pliots it fulfil most requirement OLD in model,advance in avionic and equipement,capable of over mach 1+... .
recently RSAF donated many S211s to indonasia. -
The donated aircraft were prop SF.260 basic trainers. S.211s are jet trainers and last time I checked we are still operating 20+ out of RAAF Pearce in W AustraliaOriginally posted by Orcishwarrior:RSAF said that JSF will replace F-16 in future but i doubt that.Present Singapore's F-16 standard can be still (somehow) graded as in between old/new generation jet fighter.
I think lots of F-5 will be in the scrap metal yard but RSAF might retain some with purpose/job for these planes to do since F-5 is very small it makes them an ideal aircraft to take aerial photo/shot from high altitude and recon mission
i would say like a SPY plane.
F-5 can also be taken as a trainer jet to train pliots it fulfil most requirement OLD in model,advance in avionic and equipement,capable of over mach 1+... .
recently RSAF donated many S211s to indonasia. -
Isn't it a waste to replace F-16s with JSFs rather than the F-5s? Besides JSF's deployment in 15yrs - 20yrs fit the scrape period of our F-5s. Moreover I suppose the falcon (C/Ds) with further upgrades should enable 'em to serve our defence needs for abt 30yrs from now.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:RSAF said that JSF will replace F-16 in future but i doubt that.Present Singapore's F-16 standard can be still (somehow) graded as in between old/new generation jet fighter.
I think lots of F-5 will be in the scrap metal yard but RSAF might retain some with purpose/job for these planes to do since F-5 is very small it makes them an ideal aircraft to take aerial photo/shot from high altitude and recon mission
i would say like a SPY plane.
F-5 can also be taken as a trainer jet to train pliots it fulfil most requirement OLD in model,advance in avionic and equipement,capable of over mach 1+... .
recently RSAF donated many S211s to indonasia. -
Hawks 100/200 replacing S.211s in the near futureOriginally posted by Viper52:The donated aircraft were prop SF.260 basic trainers. S.211s are jet trainers and last time I checked we are still operating 20+ out of RAAF Pearce in W Australia comments? -
Possible...since our pilots got train in the NTFC in canada...there use hawk.....
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RSAF has said that it will maintain 3 types of frontline fighters (preferrably all multiroles) so that if any one type are grounded for whatever reason, the risks are mitigated by having the other 2 types. So in the next decade or so, we should see F-5, F16 and the next gen to replace all the skyhawks. That doesn't mean that skyhawks won't be used as trainers or even some sort of UCAV. The F-16s were initially bought to replace the Hunters, but as the Vipers were really good at both air-to-air and strike roles, plus the sudden afforability of the latest Block 50s, it became logical that the Vipers are going to become the most numerous aircraft like the Skyhawks were in the 70s to 90s. Given that the present 3 types of frontline planes are F5, Vipers and Skyhawks; as the Viper number increases, the Skyhawk decreases. Essentially, the new next gen fighters that RSAF will be purchasing will almost be a 1 to 1 replacement of Skyhawks (at present active sqn figures). eg. 40 planes.Originally posted by hardware:Isn't it a waste to replace F-16s with JSFs rather than the F-5s? Besides JSF's deployment in 15yrs - 20yrs fit the scrape period of our F-5s. Moreover I suppose the falcon (C/Ds) with further upgrades should enable 'em to serve our defence needs for abt 30yrs from now.
When JSF becomes common and affortable, then we should see the F-35 replacing the F5. Depending on the timeframe, the F16 then becomes the oldest of the 3 types of plane and they will slowly be "cycled out" just like the Skyhawks are today. Basically, RSAF purchasing strategy clearly outlined in the book "Defending the Lion City".
As to the question about what should replace S211, I don't think S211 will be replaced anytime soon since they are still relatively new and suitable for basic jet training. Supposedly RSAF becomes very well funded and decided on a new trainer, I would think that the front-running should either be Hawk 100 or Korean T50. -
http://pub14.ezboard.com/fwarandpoliticsfrm38.showMessage?topicID=549.topic
A lengthy article i found on another forum, but is interesting reading. -
For trainer if singapore decides to acquire typhoon.Maybe mako can quite a excellent choice for trainer jet
i looks futuristic and stealthy
it is using the same engine used in the eurofighter -
but mako is still in paper....onli t-50 is now having its first flight.....hawk is not a bad aircraft...even the USN hav for their training aircraft.....
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if u all wans to know more info on JSF, read JDW 24 July 2002 pg 31