Breeding a new generation of quitters
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Can't agree more with you...Originally posted by BillyBong:The world is your oyster...
With globalisation, anyone can get a job anywhere, in any country. It really depends on the individual and whether they are willing to dispense with the 'deep-rooted' mentality and move to a whole new environment and adapt.
Learning a new language can be simply amazing, especially when you think your mind's reached its limit. In any case, complete integration into another society cannot be accomplished without learning the native language.
Don't listen to our govt's 'cat-calls' labelling those who emigrate to be 'quitters'. Ultimately, people can leave for a variety of things, especially if the patriotic sense of belonging has been morally mooted in favour of mercenary beginnings.
Singaporeans should try to get out of our mentality. We should try to see what limiting us here and try to see if we can turn it around in a global setting.
More importantly, we should not be limited or intimidated by what the govt labels us. Don't tell me the PRs are not quitters in their original countries? -
Actually we can do nothing about it.
Its worse as they know, the public is piss off and they go ahead with it, ignoring the public view.
I dun want to even think abt the GE in 5 years time, as in by then how many millions have gone into the pockets of a few, instead to the public. Not to mention the GE is a joke.
Only can say sky have eyes. -
Let's be clear about this - this place is no paradise. It's not like we're attracting the 20 richest men on the planet to up sticks and settle here...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Singapore is great for the "RICH"
P*P is government "for the rich by the rich"
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Seriously, after so long i decided to open my big mouth back in speaker's corner. I realised something. Singaporeans like to all talk no action.
I no longer even bother to engage people who speak down of our government (robertteh, andrewpkyap, atobe as well as the other hundred or so of you) nor those who sits on the other side of the fence (lionnoisy)
Simply because of one thing. I rather go out and help the country in my own way than curse the government for not doing this and that, demand they do this and do that. Doesnt solve anything.
Those who quit fine. Those who want to but cannot quit .. also fine. I will be here til the day i die and i will do my best to help those who i can.
My stance is clear, go out there and do your part. Help your fellow man however you can. Talking on the forums is for sharing of ideas for better good not to encourage the manifestation of ill-will that goes nowhere.
If the big guy dont want to help you, you can quit, or help yourself. If you are well off and can help yourself, help others. -
To be fair, I'm not even sure if you're ultimately doing anything productive.Originally posted by CM06:Simply because of one thing. I rather go out and help the country in my own way than curse the government for not doing this and that, demand they do this and do that. Doesnt solve anything.
Those who quit fine. Those who want to but cannot quit .. also fine. I will be here til the day i die and i will do my best to help those who i can.
My stance is clear, go out there and do your part. Help your fellow man however you can. Talking on the forums is for sharing of ideas for better good not to encourage the manifestation of ill-will that goes nowhere.
If the big guy dont want to help you, you can quit, or help yourself. If you are well off and can help yourself, help others.
No disrespect, but I'd liken your stance to how the international community is dealing with North Korea at present. What's the point of selflessly providing humanitarian aid (as noble as the cause may be) to poverty/famine-afflicted North Koreans while nothing is done to significantly encourage/effect change in the political climate of that society when politics is the root of the problem? In essence, such aids could potentially merely serve to exacerbate the humanitarian problems through further neglect brought about by the political elite.
In essence, you aren't nipping the problem in the bud, but could potentially be fuelling the exacerbation of the problem. -
Actually it's quite simple:
As members of a supposedly democratic soceity...
Got your vote? Use it. Don't talk so much at the end of the day and then let your vote speak differently from what you talk.
Got your voice? Then use it as well... it does not have to start with having to make big statements on big issues... but often something as simple as talking the path less travelled and sticking up for what your believe in.
Take up responsibility- as long as we never take personal responsibility for our actions and path in life, then we really have no say in making a lot of the comments on the current regime, be they valid or not.
At the end of the day, if those do not insist or work for their democratic rights, eventually those rights will be eroded and taken away.
Simple as that.
Of course saying is easy, but doing is far more difficult... but I believe if Singapore were to truly survive in the long term, it cannot be a soceity of sheep who make a lot of noise about their living conditions, but yet take no action to resolve them.
At the end of the day, the government in place is also a reflection of the people who put it in power. Unfortunately democracy means taking up the mantle of personal responsibility for your nation's outcome upon your shoulders, a responsibility that the average Singaporeans sees as a unneeded idea, but yet sees fit to make noise when that responsibility, having been taken up by stronger powers, now set in motion changes that they do not like.
But if you ask me if some of the people showing dissenting views here are not doing the wrong thing... I'm not so sure. I would dread the day when there are no dissenting views in any soceity... though some people apparently see this as a dream to achieve and will go out to any lengths to "fix" it.
I don't think it's enough to be a "stayer", you have to be a "changer" and not just a "sheep" as well. -
freedom is a bad thing.
a little is good.
but too much of a good thing is a bad thing.
think about it. -
HEAR HEAR!Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Actually it's quite simple:
Got your voice? Then use it as well... it does not have to start with having to make big statements on big issues... but often something as simple as talking the path less travelled and sticking up for what your believe in.
Vote in more opposition Good or Bad and P*P will wake up and become better. That can only be good for Singapore and Singaporeans.
As it is, Singapore is *their* paradise and the majority suffers for them. Work for them is OK but not like this... work and they take our hard earned money to increase their own salaries and invest in SHIN CORPS.
Lower HDB prices, make COE balloting instead of auction and use money they invest in "SHIN CORPS" for medical insurance. The only way for that to happen? Vote in more opposition Good or Bad. -
I suppose it's a good thing when your lunch gets stolen doesn't it?Originally posted by gigabyte14:freedom is a bad thing.
a little is good.
but too much of a good thing is a bad thing.
think about it. -
How do we know that the opposition candidates are bad or worse than PAP candidates?
V balaksihnan-Ophthalmology – MCDYS
Ng eng hen- oncology - MOM
S Balaji- neurology – MFA
3 doctors, all specialists but holding appointment in ministries of nothing they were trained for.
Can Dr Balaji and Dr Vivian operate on A55HOLES? Dr Ng Eng Hen probably can if itÂ’s about cancer and tumour
Job mismatch !
LTK and CST are doing rather well in their constituencies even though they have insufficient funds to run the estates as well as PAPÂ’s.
We must give opposition a chance and time to prove themselves first before we can decide if they good or bad. -
When I started this tread, it was not to bash the current gov.
My beef is with the trend that I fear will get more and more common, if and when our native S'porean starts to move away.
Soon most country will view SG as more of a transit stop, and not a player in it's own rite. We should look into this and come up with solutions to put a plug in this problem.
Perhaps we might want to re-look our dua-citizenship rule, or make it such that S'poreans will find it more attractive to keep Singapore citizenship dispute working or studying overseas for a long period of time. -
That lady has already grabbed the first chance - working overseas. I'm unsure of Korea's immigration policies, but take a look at those in Europe. You will be able to apply for PR after having worked in their country for between 3-4 years. Even in xeno-phobic Japan, you are able to apply for PR after having worked there for 5 years.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Most Singaporeans, like the government, loves to pay lip service. The first chance they get to, says the lady, will probably never come. One will never earn enough to migrate elsewhere.
Getting a PR is the just 1 step short of citizenship. Even if they do not eventually get citizenship, their children, by merit of being born in the country, will get their respective citizenship.
You do not have to earn to migrate, you just need to grab any chance that puts you overseas, and work hard to remain there.
- 4 more years to Japanese PR. -
Having a dual citizenship system is not going to help the country retain her talents. It's still nothing more than the numerous lip-service ideas and campaigns brought forward in the recent decade to try to attract people back home.Originally posted by lighthand:When I started this tread, it was not to bash the current gov.
My beef is with the trend that I fear will get more and more common, if and when our native S'porean starts to move away.
Soon most country will view SG as more of a transit stop, and not a player in it's own rite. We should look into this and come up with solutions to put a plug in this problem.
Perhaps we might want to re-look our dua-citizenship rule, or make it such that S'poreans will find it more attractive to keep Singapore citizenship dispute working or studying overseas for a long period of time.
A sense of belonging has to be instilled in people. They need to know that they are valued, that they are not just a mere cog in the economic machine. Every person, employed or not, married or single, young or old, contributes to the economy, and yet the government chooses to single out the unemployed, the single, the old, the uneducated, treating them as though they do not belong here, as though they are un-needed, and even as though they do not exist; Remember LKY's arrogant claim that there were no homeless or beggars in Singapore last year during the IMF?
Such high-handedness does not instill a sense of belonging. And unlike what the great one thinks, it does not motivate the have-nots to perform. It just makes them jaded, and they will in turn influence the people around them to think the same way. Consciously or not, these people will bring up the next generation to think not for the country, but for themselves.
No sense of belonging, no sense of patriotism, no national pride. -
no. eastern europe full of full-fledged asians and singapore still full of asians.Originally posted by dragg:soon we will see eastern europe full of chinese and singapore full of europeans. -
Well.... maybe with concrete effort and some flexiblity we can have the best of both worlds?Originally posted by nismoS132:Having a dual citizenship system is not going to help the country retain her talents. It's still nothing more than the numerous lip-service ideas and campaigns brought forward in the recent decade to try to attract people back home.
A sense of belonging has to be instilled in people. They need to know that they are valued, that they are not just a mere cog in the economic machine. Every person, employed or not, married or single, young or old, contributes to the economy, and yet the government chooses to single out the unemployed, the single, the old, the uneducated, treating them as though they do not belong here, as though they are un-needed, and even as though they do not exist; Remember LKY's arrogant claim that there were no homeless or beggars in Singapore last year during the IMF?
Such high-handedness does not instill a sense of belonging. And unlike what the great one thinks, it does not motivate the have-nots to perform. It just makes them jaded, and they will in turn influence the people around them to think the same way. Consciously or not, these people will bring up the next generation to think not for the country, but for themselves.
No sense of belonging, no sense of patriotism, no national pride.
At the end of the day what we want is that SG is still the place people call home. Every time I come back from an overseas assignment, the feeling is nice. Call me a greedy pig, but I would love to stay in Aus or Jap or Shanghai. However I still know which flag to salute to. That's what I hope we can instill in the new generation. The one I was talking to in Korea, don't have anything good to say except that SG have a great passport (no visa for almost all country). I think our county is worth more than just a red book. -
I read immigration agency handling immigration matter receievd plenty of application for immigration from Sporean to other countries.
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yes, i am not staying. air con and refrigeration just doesnt pays anymore in singapore. people may argue that is not a very difficult job but heck 2 poor lads fell and die in the year 2000. its not paying for the risk i am taking and i will just grab any chance of getting out.
verdict, most capable blue collar based in singapore are all under paid. -
For people holding citizenship of two nations, there's a dilemma.
ThereÂ’s a conflict in the country where you were born. You are called up to get ready for war. Which option will you choose? Come back to serve or remain in the other nation? You probably cannot be contacted.
Why? And how ?
Before it rains, you see dark clouds. You will quickly take shelter (in the other nation) before it pours and you get soaked.
Dual citizenship after one completes his military obligations? ThatÂ’s feasible.
I believe those who emigrate leave Singapore for good, bringing their families along.
DonÂ’t need dual citizenship. -
got chance i come and join u.Originally posted by nismoS132:- 4 more years to Japanese PR.
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maybe singapore will be empty one day, and all your hard-earned money gone.Originally posted by trendz:no. eastern europe full of full-fledged asians and singapore still full of asians. -
all waiting to take out CPF ah?Originally posted by will4:I read immigration agency handling immigration matter receievd plenty of application for immigration from Sporean to other countries. -
Always wonder... if voting is compulsory... why I never got a chance to vote? Not fair lor...
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If flawed policies, suppression of voices, stagnant wages (while the top elites enjoy hefty pay hikes) and rising costs of living continue to ensure that many educated Singaporeans are nothing more than modern slaves exploited within their own country for the benefit of an Elite, then should we be surprised that more and more people want to migrate?
To me, Home is a place devoid of coldness, somewhere I feel looked after.. where my vote counts and I am uncaged, free to develop my creativity and pursue my interests.. where my kids can be kids without being punished for nothing, and grow up in a real...healthy... environment to become responsible adults who know that money isn't everything. Singapore just cannot provide any of the above at the moment.
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Maybe what the government is doing to retain local talents is to tax the hell out of its citizens so that they wouldn't have enough money to migrate.. Migration isn't cheap you know
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It's cheap if you do it before 35. So if you plan to migrate, don't start a family now.