Malaysia's Big Weapons Armament Purchase
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Malaysia's fighter deal is gonna be announced anytime now....
i heard we are getting a full sqd of the SH(16-18 )
and the Su-30MKM is kinda confirmed....just a matter of time.....
The interesting thing is the version we are getting is the same as MKI but the only difference is we are using french and russian avionics......
that means we get the su-30 with
1.thrust vectoring nozzles....(better manueverbility.....this method is used by the Su-37 and F-22)
2.Canards.....for better landing and t/o
and etc.........
and if you dont believe me, i dont care....dont try to quote what i just said.....i dont wanna argue about this..... -
Malaysia has just seeked US FMS purchase on 18 F18F.
See the following site:
Malaysia F/A-18F Aircraft
Guess its time for RSAF to announce a Rafale package. Bye bye super bugs...
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4 su-30mkm.....is about the same as china spec...not india......tts wat i get from the resources....
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malaysia's MKM is like MKI not MKK....that is for sure......
btw thanks for the SH news..... -
ok is my mistake...i c wrongly....
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no need to rush....Originally posted by Joe Black:Malaysia has just seeked US FMS purchase on 18 F18F.
See the following site:
Malaysia F/A-18F Aircraft
Guess its time for RSAF to announce a Rafale package. Bye bye super bugs...[/url]
i want to see them sign on the dotted line first....
the above is nothing more then a possibility.... the sale has NOT been concluded.... -
Three cheers!!
I pray so much that we will not get F-18 hornet now its left with F-15 strike eagle/F-16 BLK 60
for US consortium
If F-15 is selected yeah i will see how F-15 rape KL apart F-15 has one of the highest kill ratio fighter.F-15 fitted with advance radar Amraam Paveway 2 Aim-9X it could one of best fighter ever build to gain air superiority over hostile air space
with the combination with F-16 which will perform the dogfight mission if happen that our fighter pliots are engaging enemy MIG
At the same time F-15s will drop precision guided bombs and unguided munition onto the ground flatting it
Shoak la!!!!
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Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:
I am not too over concern even if Matland were to aquire 100 jets. While hardware aquisition is a key to any modernisation drive, training, doctrinal issues and integration of new platform in a overall concept of operations and logistic planning are crucial to using the hardware. If either one of this is missing or not properly plan and executed, then the hardware aquire will not translate into operation superiority.
Malaysia's fighter deal is gonna be announced anytime now....
i heard we are getting a full sqd of the SH(16-18 )
and the Su-30MKM is kinda confirmed....just a matter of time.....
The interesting thing is the version we are getting is the same as MKI but the only difference is we are using french and russian avionics......
that means we get the su-30 with
1.thrust vectoring nozzles....(better manueverbility.....this method is used by the Su-37 and F-22)
2.Canards.....for better landing and t/o
Thus if u really thing that by aquiring the hardware is will ensure that u will gain the upperhand, then it shows that u dun really have much of a indept knowledge in millitary matter besides those technical spec which can be found on the books. -
The plane is only as good as the pilot. Malaysia can get F22s now and they still won't pose much of a threat.
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u muz not look at the technology onli..muz look at the training n so on......tt makes a difference.....
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do you know any RMAF pilots??
if you dont pls dont criticize with even seeing them fly.....
and btw, recently the RSAF showed off by announcing they have full A2A refueling capability.......the RMAF also has tankers and occasionally train with them..... -
Ha
!! it is petty obvious just look at the recent plane crash incident during the EX this already tell us the quality of the pliot i think their 1st thought is HOW TO ESCAPE rather then trying to retrieve the plane into flight control.If impossible then eject
I remember this is not the 1st time it happens for singapore i onli recall onces when singaporean plioted F-16 crash into the sea.
.Malaysia icident is either the technician or the pliot is at fault.Dun tell me the plane will start giving troubel if a thorough check done before take off. -
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Personally, I don't think its fair to judge how good the pilots are given a crash of two. RSAF F-16 crashed due to mid-air collision with another F-16, does that mean that the pilots who were involved in the mid air collision sucks? I don't think any Singaporean would so readily judge them so quickly.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:I remember this is not the 1st time it happens for singapore i onli recall onces when singaporean plioted F-16 crash into the sea.
.Malaysia icident is either the technician or the pliot is at fault.Dun tell me the plane will start giving troubel if a thorough check done before take off.
We don't know about how the plane crashed. Could have been mechnical fault, could have been pilot's error, etc. However, I think it is better that the pilot eject (after failing to recover the plane and making sure the plane is not going to crash on somewhere it could do damage to human lives and property) than to go down with the plane.
Yes, RMAF had a few crashes here and there, but they are from different types, including the Mig 29. Other AFs have even more crashes and probaly even much higher crash per flight hour. Just look at how many accidents USAF has alone, look at the RAF, Russian AF, Indian AF, etc.
RSAF has been significantly blessed with incidentless, but nevertheless, this attribute to both the quality of the equipment and pilot skills. However, we cannot also discount that "luck" played a significant part. -
As usual....I'll believe it when I see the contract signed black and white. Err...if I recall correctly, Malaysia did say in all future arm deals, palm oil gonna be part of the payment. Somehow I doubt US is much interested in palm oil. Comments?
Source: Strait Times.
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KL beefs up air power with new US fighter jets
KUALA LUMPUR -- Malaysia plans to buy US Superhornet FA-18F fighter jets to upgrade its air power, Defence Minister Najib Razak said on Saturday in a national news agency report.
It will also buy radar systems and guided missile launchers from the United States, Bernama news agency quoted him as saying.
Mr Najib did not say how many Superhornets Malaysia will be buying, or how much the purchase will be worth. He said defence officials of the two countries were finalising details and hoped to conclude a deal by the end of this year.
Malaysia has made several major defence purchases this year, spending about RM6 billion (US$1.6 billion) on European and Russian-made hardware ranging from rifles and missiles to its first submarines.
Government officials said the purchases were part of plans that were put on hold in 1997 by the Asian financial crisis.
On Saturday, Mr Najib said Malaysia's neighbours should not be nervous about the upgrade.
'Every time we buy something, the people always link it to an arms race. But when others buy, nobody says anything,' Bernama quoted him as saying.
Malaysia's air force currently has 18 Russian MiG-29 fighters, eight FA-18D Hornets, seven F-5 Tigers and seven British-built Hawk jets. -- AP -
i not criticize.....is juz tt my own point of view to get an overall best pilot/organizations
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The americans for sure aint gonna be interested in stupid palm oil... in fact... the americans think palm oil is harmful... and not as good as their american sunflower oil.....Originally posted by wombat:As usual....I'll believe it when I see the contract signed black and white. Err...if I recall correctly, Malaysia did say in all future arm deals, palm oil gonna be part of the payment. Somehow I doubt US is much interested in palm oil. Comments?
so... maharaja... will probably pay it by installment... or offer US something they cant refuse... like maybe they could offer to work for the US in the OIC, OPEC or as double agents inside muslim extremist cells... providing key information and maybe even help US stall the muslim bloc nations if not sabotage them from the inside...
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Do you know any RMAF pilots? Do you know their methods of training? Going to India to train? huh? I think RSAF went to Canada and US and France. It is a fact that the RMAF are still not up to RSAF pilot standards.Originally posted by Innocent_Malaysian:do you know any RMAF pilots??
if you dont pls dont criticize with even seeing them fly.....
and btw, recently the RSAF showed off by announcing they have full A2A refueling capability.......the RMAF also has tankers and occasionally train with them.....
I am amazed you actually brought up RMAF's aerial refuelling capabilities. RSAF does have full air to air refuelling capabilities, the KC-135s are not for show, and they are the only dedicated tankers in the region. RMAF has tankers, sure. "occasionally train with them" ?!?!?! OCCASIONALLY!? means what? once in a week? once in 2 weeks? Haha, what a joke. -
Since we are on the topic of refueling...a thought just popped into my mind. Am I correct to assume the refueling probes are different on the Su-27?...I do not think they are NATO complient. As such their refueling abilities are limited somewat.Originally posted by EXCO:I am amazed you actually brought up RMAF's aerial refuelling capabilities. RSAF does have full air to air refuelling capabilities, the KC-135s are not for show, and they are the only dedicated tankers in the region. RMAF has tankers, sure. "occasionally train with them" ?!?!?! OCCASIONALLY!? means what? once in a week? once in 2 weeks? Haha, what a joke.
RMAF tankers?....I believe you are refering to the KC-130, converted from existing C-130. RSAF long possess that ability. But with the KC-135 we are able to refuel all our fleet.
On the same theory, it would make the russian unfavorable in the fighter selection contest...that's unless we can modify it to accept NATO standard refueling probes? -
don't think MINDEF and DSTA are so itchy backside lah... buy something uncompatible to busy themselves with just to make a weak point???
Sg's policy had always been to buy things that fulfill a set of specs and won't be too much trouble to integrate...
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actually i think singapore technology has mastered the technology and skill to integrate NATO Standard probe into a non-Nato plane fuel tank for example russian Su-30,For past few year back drozens of RSAF planes were been integrated with Refueling probes which was done by singapore technology aerospace.
I m confidence STae can do likewise to Su-30.
Since RSAF has several oversea detatchments planes like stratotanker 135 are being use regularly.For RMAF i m not surprised by when replied that
RMAF uses air refueling plane occasionally since fighter jet can be transport without much fuel -
I agree with your point that Singapore has the technology to modify the probes to NATO standard. However, i beg to differ on your last point. It is not a matter whether the fighter can sustain itself on fuel, it is the training with the tankers that matter. Airborne tanking is not an easy task, and if not trained regularly it is arguably the most difficult task to perform while in the air. Sure, RMAF aircraft can sustain itself without the need for aerial refuelling for the most part, however they will thus lack that valuable capability as they lack the necessary training to perform it.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:actually i think singapore technology has mastered the technology and skill to integrate NATO Standard probe into a non-Nato plane fuel tank for example russian Su-30,For past few year back drozens of RSAF planes were been integrated with Refueling probes which was done by singapore technology aerospace.
I m confidence STae can do likewise to Su-30.
Since RSAF has several oversea detatchments planes like stratotanker 135 are being use regularly.For RMAF i m not surprised by when replied that
RMAF uses air refueling plane occasionally since fighter jet can be transport without much fuel -
The value of tankers in future air wars can never be underestimated. Look at the ops over Afghnistan now. US combat aircraft consistently need 5-7 refuelings PER mission to get to, loiter over and return from their targets. The tankers are vital force multipliers for air forces to become much more effective, and are literally worth their weight in gold.
IMO the RSAF has repeatedly proved its mettle in AAR ops. Almost every RSAF overseas exercises required tanker support (Pitch Black 2002 being the most recent example where one KC-135R supported 6 F-5s and 5 F-16Ds to Australia's East Coast). I don't know about the RMAF's AAR training on their 2 KC-130s, but as someone has pointed out, its something which requires constant practice to remain proficient at, especially in adverse conditions, having tankers for show is not enough.
I'm not too sure if Russian probes are compatible with Western baskets, but its not a real big deal to get new probes fitted to Russian jets. IIRC the RMAF's MiGs use a Western probe design, to be compatible with the KC-130s. -
Actually i would link Aerial refueling plane as a mothership and the fighter planes act as an interceptor or strike aircraft.During a strike i guess the fighter pliots can fly to its target or patrol the sky at an extended range.this capability allow singapore airforce to project some power overseas at least brunei which depends alot on singapore armed force to defend in case of emergency
Todays strait times wrote that malaysia is trading/acquiring F-18F hornet,my point of view is that RSAF might announce the fighter procurement before schedule which is said to be 2004 most prob the next Asian aerospace
held in singapore.
Most prob the new generation of F-18F could match singapore version of F-16.Technology wise it could be threating but i doubt the malaysia pliots will be able to climb on top of us in flight experience we are more experience
thought regular exercise and training with numerous top airforce cadet school Britain - US
SIngapore is involved in NATO EX making the only Non-Nato nation to involve in this exercise.
If RMAF wants to be one of the best in the region lot of hardwork is needed and dun constrainting itself too much in the regional exercise
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I realise US do have numerous accident which involves Fighter jet.
There is one factor i would like to point out US has thousand of fighter jets,where else comparing to the amount of fighter RMAF has is a huge gap/ratio.We cant blame US for these crash,the probability of accidents is considerable low if number of accidents over the number of planes it has.For RMAF it plane is even lesser than RSAF,this should allows RMAF technician to concentrate better to the aircraft maintenance,but its the opposite their probability is higher.That is why i doubt RMAF
ability