Foreign Talents and New Citizens Wanted, but not their Views

• ShutterBug

  16 Apr 07, 17:26

  Media Release: OK for foreigners to praise the PAP but not criticise?
  13 Apr 07
  
  To be really open and inclusive, a society ought to engage in exchanging views and ideas with foreigners, who are part of the global community.
  
  Of all the argument that the PAP advanced to reject our application to hold this forum, the ludicrous claim that they do not want foreign interference in Singapore sound the most absurd.
  
  It shouldn't come from the PAP, which is heavily dependent on the so called foreign talent and massive foreign investment to propel its tortoring economy. The PAP always tells us to invite foreigners in our mist with open arms. In this age of globalization, Singapore can't be an island by itself.
  
  What is wrong with foreigners sharing their views on democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of association with us. These noble ideas are not something strange but are found in our constitution and in the national pledge that our children are made to recite everyday.
  
  It looks like it is alright if foreigners praise the PAP system. Only a couple of days ago, a foreigner of all places, Finland, wrote a flattering letter in the Straits Times justifying the ministerial salary and agreeing with the PAP that the government in Finland is mediocre. This Finnish guy happens to be the person who assulted on of our Singaporean women. We do not want such character to polute our thinking. In fact, he should be sent back to Finland, where he is wanted by the authorities there. We should be more cautious in giving PR's to such people rather than denying these honorable Members of the European Parliament from exchanging views and ideas on parliamentary democracy, which the PAP claims it supports.
  
  It is the PAP, which seems to be over reliant on foreigners. Even in our National Wages Council, which determines how much our workers ought to be paid, there are foreigners. Council members from Germany, Japan and the US decides the worth of our workers. This is indeed the most disgraceful thing to the sovereignty of our country.
  
  The PAP frequently organizes seminars and conferences in Singapore, inviting foreigners to speak. So, what is wrong in inviting Euporean and Asian Parliamentarians, who had just finished their annual meeting in Jarkata to stopover in Singapore to address us on issues pertaining to democracy?
  
  The hot topic now is the ministerial multi-million dollar salary. Since Denmark and other European countries came up for mention not so favorably in our Parliament, we thought it would be a good idea for our MEP from Denmark to put the issue in proper perspective. What is wrong with that? Should we not encourage more such interaction? Will it not be good for an "open and inclusive" society that our Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong often admonish us to be?
  
  
• mistyblue

  16 Apr 07, 17:53

  we were told to produce 4 million smiles for the IMF
  
  maybe there will be a campaign to produce 4 million spit at these Eu speakers ...
• robertteh

  16 Apr 07, 18:05

  According to some property agents and property speculators the government is now importing all the foreigners to buy up marina, Sentosa Cove and all the high-end properties with the intention to use them to replace local citizens who will be encouraged to migrate as necessary.
  
  These agents and speculators are saying that they have confidence in making tons of monies because of this government secret plan to import foreign talents to replace the locals.
  
  So that talk circulating among property circles is : "Not to worry about buying properties at high prices as the property prices will continue to go up because of government's secret high-level policy to replace the local citizens with these property-speculating foreigners.
  
  It sounds a logical government policy - to desert their own citizens if necessary so as to enrich themselves and their connections.
• ShutterBug

  16 Apr 07, 18:11

  Originally posted by robertteh:

  According to some property agents and property speculators the government is now importing all the foreigners to buy up marina, Sentosa Cove and all the high-end properties with the intention to use them to replace local citizens who will be encouraged to migrate as necessary.
  
  These agents and speculators are saying that they have confidence in making tons of monies because of this government secret plan to import foreign talents to replace the locals.
  
  So that talk circulating among property circles is : "Not to worry about buying properties at high prices as the property prices will continue to go up because of government's secret high-level policy to replace the local citizens with these property-speculating foreigners.
  
  It sounds a logical government policy - to desert their own citizens if necessary so as to enrich themselves and their connections.

  Sounds deviously possible, but how true or accurate are these allegations - or rumours?
  
  And then even if it is true, the gov is stupidly building their dream population on clay; soft when wet, brittle when cured & dried...
  
  
• will4

  16 Apr 07, 18:14

  I think some of the foreigners buying property might be hoping to gain from an uplift in their investment. They might sold it later after gaining a profit.
• robertteh

  16 Apr 07, 19:20

  Originally posted by ShutterBug:

  Sounds deviously possible, but how true or accurate are these allegations - or rumours?
  
  And then even if it is true, the gov is stupidly building their dream population on clay; soft when wet, brittle when cured & dried...
  
  

  There is already an existing policy passed sometime ago to grant citizenship to foreigners on investment of S$5 millions part of which could be in property. So there you are the high-level policy to import foreigners to replace quitters is not entirely without basis.
• will4

  16 Apr 07, 19:22

  Originally posted by robertteh:

  There is already an existing policy passed sometime ago to grant citizenship to foreigners on investment of S$5 millions part of which could be in property. So there you are the high-level policy to import foreigners to replace quitters is not entirely without basis.

  I think the population of young local is shrinking. The programme beyond the dot and another one on channel u shown talented Sporean working in
  
  other countries.
• robertteh

  16 Apr 07, 19:23

  Originally posted by will4:

  I think some of the foreigners buying property might be hoping to gain from an uplift in their investment. They might sold it later after gaining a profit.

  This has already happened when we liberalized our HDB rules some years back to allow Hongers to buy HDB flats. However the Hongkongers sold the HDB flats for quick profits and went back to Hong Kong which is a more thriving city making us all suckers.
  
  The same will happen again as the rich foreigners are not that stupid.
• will4

  16 Apr 07, 19:27

  Originally posted by robertteh:

  This has already happened when we liberalized our HDB rules some years back to allow Hongers to buy HDB flats. However the Hongkongers sold the HDB flats for quick profits and went back to Hong Kong which is a more thriving city making us all suckers.
  
  The same will happen again as the rich foreigners are not that stupid.

  I also remembered to assure Spore PR of their children future well being in NS
  BMTC conducted a visit for the PR so to assure them everything is okay.
  
  Some second generation PR liable for full time NS gave up their blue IC before reaching eighteen. Imagine the benefits they got before going for NS already.
• ShutterBug

  17 Apr 07, 10:36

  Originally posted by robertteh:

  This has already happened when we liberalized our HDB rules some years back to allow Hongers to buy HDB flats. However the Hongkongers sold the HDB flats for quick profits and went back to Hong Kong which is a more thriving city making us all suckers.
  
  The same will happen again as the rich foreigners are not that stupid.

  Looks like foreigners must be thinking our gov is really stupid...
  
  I don't blame them....
  
  
• BillyBong

  17 Apr 07, 10:51

  And the govt dare be sarcastic in their claims that it is 'difficult' to attract talent, given their extremely low tolerance for open views and the threat of defamation suits looming.
  
  Considering that the cream de la cream cannot even brainstorm attractive recruitment campaigns, then surely it will be impossible to attract the best, with exhorbitant and unjustified pay the only means as an incentive?
• mistyblue

  17 Apr 07, 12:25

  Originally posted by ShutterBug:

  Looks like foreigners must be thinking our gov is really stupid...
  
  I don't blame them....
  
  

  No, they do not think our gov stupid.
  
  They think that our gov is just very very stupid.
  
  
• LazerLordz

  17 Apr 07, 12:32

  For the life of me, I cannot see the benefits of such a move.
  
  If such a policy continues, they are sacrificing our long-term future for a short-term gain.
  
  I am very pissed off. Very.
• mistyblue

  17 Apr 07, 13:59

  Originally posted by LazerLordz:

  For the life of me, I cannot see the benefits of such a move.
  
  If such a policy continues, they are sacrificing our long-term future for a short-term gain.
  
  I am very pissed off. Very.

  opinions of the local born sg people does not count very much.
  
  
• walesa

  17 Apr 07, 16:30

  Originally posted by LazerLordz:

  For the life of me, I cannot see the benefits of such a move.
  
  If such a policy continues, they are sacrificing our long-term future for a short-term gain.
  
  I am very pissed off. Very.

  Seriously, what benefits would you expect from a despotic regime who is desperately trying to milk as much out of its citizenry as humanly imaginable while they remain in power?
  
  At the end of the day, the only difference between Zimbabwe and Singapore is the latter not having a 1700% inflation rate...
• Fingolfin_Noldor

  17 Apr 07, 17:50

  Sounds a lot like some kind of brain... transplant....
  
  And we know brain transplants don't exist.