ya, since they said their jobs have risk also (excuse for obscene payrise), let's make it come true.Originally posted by Fatum:yeah ! ... it's time to take down a few ministers ....
55.5 % next time round ! ...
No.The other parties will just have to work with the PAP as a coalition, and they will, because Singaporeans at the basic level, still want results.Originally posted by Herroin:What if MIW holds 51% ? Will there be chaos?
Originally posted by Fatum:Is it surprising how bias and skewed opinions can further skew other opinions ?
chee and his cartoon friends ..... cos
1. the pappies will know not to take the people's support for granted
2. the younger MPs will know how to deal with someone really slimy, not the docile, boundary respecting opposition that we have in parliament right now ....
3. Chee will do something really silly once he's in ... then the people will really see what a clown he is and finish him off once and for all after 4 years ... like that long haired fellow in hong kong ...
4. I'd like to see how the old guards tackle him in parliament ...
5. he'll inject a bit of colour to the proceedings ...
I have read his comments on the pay hike, and I must say, his points make good sense, and the passion he exudes is not much lesser than Sylvia Lim's.Originally posted by Atobe:Is it surprising how bias and skewed opinions can further skew other opinions ?
If you have the time - only when you have the time - then click on this revealing website, and you will be surprised how the views of some less controversial persons are parallel to CSJ's often publicly derided positions.
CJS has been made to look like a clown, and intentionally promoted by the entire controlled public media so as to generate negative views like yours.
Surprisingly, during the QnA sessions, some in the audience had publicly stated that they are hearing CSJ at this Forum, and are publicly state their surprise to his person and have declared a change of position.
If you have heard about CSJ's much publicised political views about democracy and about Singapore Politics, then you will be surprised at how other less controversial personality at this Forum seems to have views that are parallel to him.
If you are willing to open your mind, visit the following site, and click on each and every positions that are given; and you will have an unfettered and unedited views spoken honestly - from the panel and from the audience.
It is sad that Singaporeans will allow themselves to be blind sided by publicly sanctioned materials that favor those controlling such public information tools.
Originally posted by soul_rage:CSJ is still a young and a greenhorn in politics, and like anyone of us standing before a large crowd, will tend to get soft in the knees - no matter how many times you do the same presentation.
I have read his comments on the pay hike, and I must say, his points make good sense, and the passion he exudes is not much lesser than Sylvia Lim's.
The only probable reason why he is so screwed up is coz he can't control his emotions, and always tend to blabber off nonsense at the most crucial moments, that the PAP will happily fire a lawsuit at him.
Just see how WP avoided LKY when he challenged them during the elections. Smart moves I must say. Why confront the lion if you know you can't beat him? just divert your forces around the roaring lion, since he is trapped in his own cage (ie his constituency).
After his letter that I read, I must say my negative reactions to CSJ is lesser now. But, I must still say, the fall of opposition was caused by him, at a crucial time when Chiam See Tong was building up a credible opposition.
Originally posted by Atobe:I am not interested in his views, ... cos it was never about his views, I've got my own thank you very much ..... it's about the man and his actions, call me traditional, call me so very chinese ... but if something screws up in my family, I don't need someone else telling me something needs to be done, even though it may seems that I'm not doing anything ... it's not just my right as part of my family, it is also my prerogative, as far as I'm concerned, that right belongs to me and members of my family and no one else ..... scaling up, it is the same thing for my country .... Singaporeans are the ones who vote here, and Singaporeans shall be the one who judges and decides.
Is it surprising how bias and skewed opinions can further skew other opinions ?
If you have the time - only when you have the time - then click on this [b]revealing website, and you will be surprised how the views of some less controversial persons are parallel to CSJ's often publicly derided positions.
CSJ has been made to look like a clown, and intentionally promoted by the entire controlled public media so as to generate negative views like yours.
Surprisingly, during the QnA sessions, one in the audience had publicly stated surprise to his person and declared a change of position - (you will have to wait till towards the end).
If you have heard about CSJ's much publicised political views about democracy and about Singapore Politics, then you will be surprised at how other less controversial personality at this Forum seems to have views that are parallel to him.
If you are willing to open your mind, visit the following site, and click on each and every positions that are given; and you will have an unfettered and unedited views spoken honestly - from the panel and from the audience.
It is sad that Singaporeans will allow themselves to be blind sided by publicly sanctioned materials that favor those controlling such public information tools.
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errr by your logic, the police should not intervene in incest statutory rape cases?Originally posted by Fatum:I am not interested in his views, ... cos it was never about his views, I've got my own thank you very much ..... it's about the man and his actions, call me traditional, call me so very chinese ... but if something screws up in my family, I don't need someone else telling me something needs to be done, even though it may seems that I'm not doing anything ...
nay, I don't expect the PAP to lose power. I think they just need a wake-up call.Originally posted by candydnac:whoa.. a little extreme to want sooo many opposition at once? But I don't mind seeing new faces in parliament. It is always good to have some opposition, some new ideas, new thoughts, new direction for Singapore. But to have so many opposition at once may spell chaos? Perhaps it would be better if some opposition members come in (pray they are the better ones), show Singapore they can do something, then slowly force a more fair election in Singapore? Then Singaporeans will benefit coz both sides will want to show/prove to the voters that they are better at managing the country.
Opposition should be made to work hard for their place in parliament (same goes for PAP of course), and should not be voted in just because PAP has been the ruling party for as many years as Singapore has been independent.
I'm hoping to see 1/3 of Parliament belonging to other parties. That should be a more balanced government.Originally posted by soul_rage:nay, I don't expect the PAP to lose power. I think they just need a wake-up call.
The best lesson is a GRC or 2 get wiped out, and 1 or 2 ministers lose their million dollar salaries
then let's see if they can get a MUCH higher pay in the private sector
hmmmm yeah ... I like that logic .... perhaps the goverment is "ass raping" the people by squeezing them too hard eh ? ...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:errr by your logic, the police should not intervene in incest statutory rape cases?
Originally posted by Fatum:Leaving aside those European of all assorted political colors and persuasions, you are certainly correct that politics in Singapore should rightfully remain the prerogative of Singaporeans.
I am not interested in his views, ... cos it was never about his views, I've got my own thank you very much ..... it's about the man and his actions, call me traditional, call me so very chinese ... but if something screws up in my family, I don't need someone else telling me something needs to be done, even though it may seems that I'm not doing anything ... it's not just my right as part of my family, it is also my prerogative, as far as I'm concerned, that right belongs to me and members of my family and no one else ..... scaling up, it is the same thing for my country .... Singaporeans are the ones who vote here, and Singaporeans shall be the one who judges and decides.
and don't bother talking about "the community of nations" and all that crap either ... the european left yak about getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan and leaving other countries to their own devices, respecting other country's sovereignty and all that .... but seems perfectly happy to preach and meddle in other country's internal affairs ... while they are telling the americans and other assorted nations not to meddle in other countrys' affairs, they are doing the same thing themselves .... hypocrisy ?? ... I've meet plenty of those liberal, leftist, pot-smoking, long-haired flower-children during my uni days thank you very much, reading books by finklestein and co and calling themselves intellectuals .... they grow up to wear suits and work for NGOs and the UN, join the democrats or the greenies, but I compartmentalize them with those chaps will believes in aliens and elvis being alive ....
I'm very comfortable about the pace of "opening up" in Singapore personally, 3 million dollar scandals notwithstanding ... the fact alone that we are here yakking in this forum says a lot to me ... what I will not want to see is the opening of the floodgates too fast too soon ... look at the phillipines, look at taiwan ... where politics becomes a circus ... where the best showman wins ? ....
if i ever get the chance to make a choice at the ballot boxes, my vote will still never go to him or his party, I'll just scrape my vote ....
Originally posted by Fatum:When the habits of that gambler uncle becoms compulsive, would you not have to seek external help ?
hmmmm yeah ... I like that logic .... perhaps the goverment is "ass raping" the people by squeezing them too hard eh ? ...
I'm not talking about "guo fa" I'm talking about "jia fa" .... if an uncle of yours is a chronic gambler ... do you go round the wet market announcing his ways to the world ? ... or do you call a quiet family conference to take things in hand ? .....
perhaps you will announce to the world you have a gambler uncle ... but it'll be the latter option for me ....
still, this nit-picking is pointless .... CSJ in parliament would be an entertaining spectacle, not as good as the long-haired chap in hong kong of course, but good nonetheless ... he just won't coast in there with the help of my vote ... and I think he'll be a one hit wonder too ...
At 51%, they may hold absolute majority, but at least they will have to push up their standards because not every Bill will get by without scrutiny. More ideas, more critical policy analysis will only improve things.We should start thinking ahead, spread the need for change -
Originally posted by justiceforall:We should start thinking ahead, spread the need for change -
and at least vote in 40+ oppositions!
Your lives would be less pressurised and manipulated if that can happen.