LKY's speech
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I hope this thread gets into TS or at least TNP.
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Insightful to say the least...Originally posted by (human):Money never made a man happy yet, nor will it. The more a man has, the more he wants. Instead of filling a vacuum, it makes one. -Benjamin Franklin -
Lai CF wrote:
MM Lee may be right initially in promoting education and meritocracy but when civil servants and ministers got themselves carried away and auto-piloted all these policies, great social problems were being created.
I meant Lee Kuan Yew had made it quite clear that it is one of teh curses of Meritocracy.
And the problem is that PAP has yet to learn how to mitigate it.....by increasing ministers and MR4 civile servant salaries?
For the past 20 years, such policies have created fall-outs including rising costs, profiteering by government and their GLCs, elitism, rich-poor divide between the elites, the rich and the ordinary citizens, and MM Lee has already lost control of many social problems caused by over-doing of these policies.
GLCs, NKFs are now double charging people on lands, infrastructures and not helping in creating jobs or restructuring the economy.
Such self-centredness in refusing to mitigate people's problems will be the main stumbling block for many years and Singapore will one day be destroyed despite all their so-called talents and importing of talents due to upheavals of the masses who are suffering from dropping wages and rising costs while the rich and elites and the rest of the world go on congratulating themselves of their ability to keep up with globalization. -
Early morning
He wakes up WITH A
Knock, knock, knock on the door
It's time for makeup
Perfect smile
It's you they're all waiting for
Isn't he lovely
This Singapore Servant
Chorus
He's so lucky, he's a Minister
But he cry, cry, cries in his lonely heart, thinking
If there's nothing missing in my life
Then why do these millions makes me suffer?
Britney Spears logic.... -
Talent hits a target no one else can hit. -Arthur SchopenhauerOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:"If we are dynamic, we will attract talent, we will grow because we have more talent. When I say talent, it means people who add to the dynamism of that society. Singaporeans, if I can chose an analogy, we are the hard disk of a computer, the foreign talent are the megabytes you add to your storage capacity. So your computer never hangs because you got enormous storage capacity," said Mr Lee.
How can a person who is not a talent can recognize and find another talent? The so called talents are not real talents? Have they hit target that no one else has hit before? -
All of u are RUBBISH LA!!
The debate over the million-dollar paychecks of Singapore's cabinet ministers is "rubbish" because the city-state needs to attract extraordinary people to run it, founding leader Lee Kuan Yew said in remarks published Monday.
"The biggest mistake any Singaporean can make is to believe that Singapore is an ordinary country and can behave like an ordinary country like Malaysia, like Indonesia, like Thailand, the Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark," he was quoted by the Straits Times as saying over the weekend.
The blunt-talking former prime minister said the public furore over the decision to raise cabinet ministers' base salaries by more than 30 percent to 1.05 million US dollars per year was "completely unreal."
"I say, 'rubbish,'" he told 400 members of the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) on Saturday.
Singapore, with its lack of natural resources and small population, needs attractive packages to draw talented people into public service or the country's future prosperity would be at risk, Lee warned.
"The problem we now face is how to attract more talent, how to headhunt and to persuade the best to come into parliament," said Lee, 83, who remains an influential figure in the government with the title of "minister mentor."
"I see this place going for another 50 years, no problem. But you need top-grade government," Lee said.
The pay hikes for ministers and top civil servants, which take effect this month, have triggered a rare public outcry from normally reserved Singaporeans, who enjoy Southeast Asia's highest standards of living.
The pay increase boosted Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's annual salary to 2.04 million dollars, five times more than the figure US President George W. Bush earns and more than eight times the salary of Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.
The prime minister -- the son of the elder Lee, who now makes 2.01 million dollars -- said he will freeze his salary for five years and donate the pay increase to charity.
Ministers' salaries are calculated using a formula pegging them to the earnings of top business executives and professionals, including lawyers and bankers.
Officials have long maintained that high salaries are necessary to attract talented managers into government service and preserve Singapore's reputation as one of the most corruption-free countries in Asia.
"The biggest mistake any Singaporean can make is to believe that Singapore is an ordinary country and can behave like an ordinary country like Malaysia, like Indonesia, like Thailand, the Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark," he was quoted by the Straits Times as saying over the weekend.
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I was in overseas for the last 3 weeks and the news of our ministers' salaries had been travelled to east european countries,they asked whether our ministers are on the run 2 other countries!!!! -
Words in blue - LKY's words - Words of a far-sighted wise leader.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:"If you have a dud minister he cannot hold his ground, you know in Singapore, you've got to meet your constituents, you've got to meet the press, you are in Parliament right? You are not just making a speech at a mass rally Â…and for this generation, if you don't pay them adequately and their families suffer, they will not stay in the job long. They will be forced to pack up and go back to their private life. And you've lost experience and expertise, it's as simple as that," said Mr Lee.
They and their family will suffer with S$2.5 million and need S$3+ millions a year?
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"If we are dynamic, we will attract talent, we will grow because we have more talent. When I say talent, it means people who add to the dynamism of that society. Singaporeans, if I can chose an analogy, we are the hard disk of a computer, the foreign talent are the megabytes you add to your storage capacity. So your computer never hangs because you got enormous storage capacity," said Mr Lee.
and what about those talents they "chase" away from Singapore through their policies? and what about those politicians they sue for bankruptcy?
simply because people disagree with them?
Words in red - PK Yap's words - Shallow comments made by a shallow person. -
Is he trying to piss the whole world off?Originally posted by mhcampboy:All of u are RUBBISH LA!!
"The biggest mistake any Singaporean can make is to believe that Singapore is an ordinary country and can behave like an ordinary country like Malaysia, like Indonesia, like Thailand, the Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark," he was quoted by the Straits Times as saying over the weekend.
woooo...syiok! -
For a wise and far-sighted leader, he will certainly win full marks for gross exaggeration of facts.Originally posted by freakass:Words in blue - LKY's words - Words of a far-sighted wise leader.
Words in red - PK Yap's words - Shallow comments made by a shallow person.
And not the first time either. Perhaps our wise leader could tell us straight in the face why he must and why he wants to belittle our intelligence by doing so. -
he is getting more and more bolder...Originally posted by charlize:Is he trying to piss the whole world off?
just like mahathir.. -
From my understanding, when you need to upgrade the capacity of a computer's hard drive, you pretty much replace the entire unit with a larger one. It's unlike RAM, wherein you add modules to upsize memory resources!Originally posted by Atobe:"We are the harddisk, and the foreigners are the gigabytes that provide the capacity, so that Singapore will have a huge memory storage".
Reminds me of the remark about the 'hum' in the 'mee siam'.
One from the Father, another from the Son, what will we expect from the Holy 'Goh' ?
SO, may be he's trying to replace all of us.. which I can see it is already happening - starting with the displacement of peoples' jobs... -
All this arguments here, is a waste of time.
Best is to just sit back and wait till the old chap to expire, to find out WHO really is CORRECT about what he says.,...
I think the old man is just a control freak... can't let go of things..
I believe we will still go on as always have even when he's gone..
and hopefully, his son LHL, will shows us a better side of himself, without the Grand Old Puppet Master behind pulling strings... -
this is almost impossible lah, they dun dare to offend the government, if one day the government says eating sh_it is good for health, TNP will just write some articles praising government and how eating sh_it is good for health.Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:I hope this thread gets into TS or at least TNP. -
Originally posted by freakass:Words in blue - LKY's words - Words of a far-sighted wise leader.
Words in red - PK Yap's words - Shallow comments made by a shallow person. -
please stop criticize our leaders again.......
please give them their due credit...
nobody is perfect and nobody can speak every words correctly.
i think this is another typical complain thread by people who are narrow minded. -
is this old man getting senile? he is talking alot of garbage. 1stly he said increasing memory could prevent pc from crashing and then he said our economy was $4trillion.
according to http://www.singstat.gov.sg/keystats/annual/indicators.html#Economic%20Indicators
Singapore's GDP was S$210 billion in 2006. -
Is Singapore's economy on the shoulders of each and every Singaporean, the success of Singapore the effort of each and every Singaporean or it was all the effort of a bunch of ".........." men?Originally posted by lotus999:is this old man getting senile? he is talking alot of garbage. 1stly he said increasing memory could prevent pc from crashing and then he said our economy was $4trillion.
according to http://www.singstat.gov.sg/keystats/annual/indicators.html#Economic%20Indicators
Singapore's GDP was S$210 billion in 2006. -
he also claimed that no other govt had made that kind of transformation to their countries like what his govt has done for singapore. yes, previously we might believe him but not now with info so freely available in the internet.
found this in sammyboy alfresco coffeeshop:
Ireland, a country that managed to transform itself from the verge of bankruptcy to Economic Star of Europe in 5 yrs and is incidentally one of our strongest competitor for FDI?
For hundreds of years, Ireland ranked with some of the poorest regions of . Its economy was predominantly agricultural and the island was largely left behind during the industrial revolution. Not too long ago, in 1949, it had virtually a "peasant economy" in which approximately 46% of the working population was involved in agriculture. Because of this, it could be said that itÂ’s chief export was its people as millions migrated off the island in pursuit of a decent living.
However, over the past decade Ireland has transformed itself from a struggling agricultural nation to experiencing possibly the greatest level of economic growth in the world. This accomplishment prompted the naming of Ireland as the "Celtic Tiger." Now, itÂ’s non-agricultural employment exceeds 40% while agricultural workers make up less than 8.6%. In less than a decade, itÂ’s per capita Gross Domestic Product (GDP) leapt past the economies of Germany, France, Japan, and the average of the 15 European Union (EU) countries. And itÂ’s economic output per capita in 2003 exceeds those of these major industrialized and developed nations by more than 20%.
Here some comparison data for Y2006 (extracted from the CIA World Fact):
Ireland
Singapore
GINI Index
35.9 (1986)
42.5 (1989)
Population
4.06 million
4.5 million
GDP (PPP)
US$177.2 billion
USD138.6 billion
GDP (official ex rate)
US$202.9 billion
US$121.5 billion
GDP real growth rate
5.2%
7.4%
GDP per capita (PPP)
US$43600
US$30900
Unemployment
4.3%
3.1%
Labor Force
2.12 million
2.4 million
Budget:
Revenues
Expenditures
US$74.49 billion
US$73.05 billion
US$19.71 billion
USD19.85 billion
Investment (Gross fixed)
28% of GDP
21.8% of GDP
Public Debt
22.8% of GDP
100.6% of GDP
Net migration rate
(per 1000 of population)
4.87
9.12
Cost of Govt:
The Government of consists of 1 President, 1 Prime Minister, 14 ministers and 17 Ministers of State in the Cabinet.
Salary (2005):
President: NA
Prime Minister: approx US$230,000 per annum x 1 = US$230,000
Ministers: approx US$150,000 per annum x 31 = US$4,650,000
Total Cost of Cabinet (excl. the President) = US$4,650,230 per year -
Huh, don't pay them well they will leave their job.
So does he mean that the ruling party enter politics purely to earn super high salary. Sounds like a threat - don't pay well leave the job. So does it mean earning super high pay is more important than serving the people?
That old man better shut up. The more he talks the more we can see his flaws.
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So freakass, can you tell us how you consider a person not shallow - do we have to agree on whatever the govt say or do?Originally posted by freakass:Words in blue - LKY's words - Words of a far-sighted wise leader.
Words in red - PK Yap's words - Shallow comments made by a shallow person. -
ermmm.... but it true they are getting from bad to worst....Originally posted by january:please stop criticize our leaders again.......
please give them their due credit...
nobody is perfect and nobody can speak every words correctly.
i think this is another typical complain thread by people who are narrow minded.
tell me i am living in a well now. -
I am tired of forever listening to to vague threats about total collapse and destruction of our economy. I mean, if he had said it years ago I could be easily fooled - but not today!
I can see from years of PAP rule, only Government treasury and the Ministers and MPs gained financially. They are the winners, and we the losers.
We have been the fools. Work very hard, and who make the most money out of us? I dont need to tell, quite sure many here are smart enough to figure it out.
MM Lee has really lost touch with his people. He still doesnt understand why young intellectuals are leaving Singapore in big numbers. He is still living in his own dream dynasty.
I was reading this topic as I think about the many friends and relatives who have migrated and who will be leaving soon. This is no exaggeration - but its a fact, smarter Singaporeans leave to avoid Singapore's highly controlled and over structured society.
More will be leaving to avoid the big crush caused by government's plan to expand the population to 6.5 million. -
I know that your question is directed at "freakass"... sorry for the intrusion... but I think his definition of an non-shallow person is one that "suffers" when his salary is only S$2.7 million... and or a person that considers a charity boss taking $600,000/- salary *with money meant for kidney patients* is paid "peanuts"Originally posted by rane:So freakass, can you tell us how you consider a person not shallow - do we have to agree on whatever the govt say or do?
Us shallow people cannot understand how these "deep thoughts" people can take poor people's money and enjoy it except people like "freakass"
er there is a difference between "leaders" and dictators (in the opinion of European parliament members, dictators in the league of Myanmar and North Korea) helping themselves to as much of the nation's money as possible.Originally posted by january:please stop criticize our leaders again.......
please give them their due credit...
nobody is perfect and nobody can speak every words correctly.
i think this is another typical complain thread by people who are narrow minded. -
"The biggest mistake any Singaporean can make is to believe that Singapore is an ordinary country and can behave like an ordinary country like Malaysia, like Indonesia, like Thailand, the Philippines, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, Denmark," he was quoted by the Straits Times as saying over the weekend.
Our gabrament king has done it again !
Looks like heÂ’s confusing work with his rare hobby.
Main hobbies include postage stamp collection, coin collection from all over the world
HeÂ’s collecting enemies from all over the world !